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Posted by Dr. Bob on August 21, 2003, at 22:51:35
In reply to For the Psycho Babble site ;), posted by galkeepinon on August 21, 2003, at 0:53:54
> http://www.qnet.com/~pontius/smile/smilelmp_1%5b1%5d.htm
I don't mean to be a party pooper, but I'd like follow-ups not related to medication to be redirected to one of the other boards. In this case, to Psycho-Social-Babble. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20030818/msgs/252955.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by galkeepinon on August 21, 2003, at 22:52:39
In reply to Redirect: For the Psycho Babble site ;), posted by Dr. Bob on August 21, 2003, at 22:51:35
Posted by galkeepinon on August 21, 2003, at 22:54:13
In reply to Redirect: For the Psycho Babble site ;), posted by Dr. Bob on August 21, 2003, at 22:51:35
Posted by El on August 22, 2003, at 10:57:58
In reply to Re: 1st week help??? » El, posted by trucker on August 21, 2003, at 22:45:02
Thanks to all the people who answered my questions, it's great to have people to talk to about this. i don't know anyone else on these kinds of meds. thanks again
i would appreciate any more tips on taking lex.
El
Posted by Esmarelda on August 22, 2003, at 11:04:14
In reply to Re: 1st week help??? » El, posted by trucker on August 21, 2003, at 22:45:02
Just hang in there. It got worse for me in the first 5 -6 weeks before it got better. Now, I feel really good. I didn't have very many SE, just a little dizziness, some diarrhea, sleeplessness and major anxiety, sweating, but it was worth the wait. There are many of us out here who do and have shared your agony.
Posted by Arrianna on August 22, 2003, at 11:21:09
In reply to Re: 1st week help???, posted by Esmarelda on August 22, 2003, at 11:04:14
Along with Esmerelda and others, I'd encourage to hang in there as well. Don't get discouraged if you find more se's the 2nd week. I think my side effects were at their peak the 2nd week, and then eventually got so much better. It can be a rollercoaster ride, but the ride will smooth out. I came really close to quitting the lex during this time, but with the encouragement and help from others on the board, I got through it; and am so grateful I stayed on it.
Best Wishes,
Arrianna
Posted by lil' jimi on August 22, 2003, at 15:20:35
In reply to Re: Teeth Grinding on Lex. oldhand, posted by Suzy on August 20, 2003, at 19:27:15
hi Suzy,
> Thought about trying the teeth guard but don't seem to do it at night, mostly at work starting early afternoon. I take the Lex in the morning. Don't know if it is losing its affectiveness by afternoon or what but it is all I can do not to clinch my teeth. Of course can't drink that wine at work "wish I could" but maybe I'll try having a drink as soon as I get home in the afternoon. Thanks for that info. Can't imagine what I could do different in the daytime at work. Any ideas anybody???
>i have an experiment to try:
.... If you're not having sleep problems
.... you might try and see if taking lexapro at night lessens the daytime teeth clenching ... ..
.... if it then causes sleep-time clenching, you might be able to teeth guard then ...maybe?
take care,
~ jim
Posted by Flighty on August 22, 2003, at 15:40:25
In reply to Re: 1st week help???, posted by Arrianna on August 22, 2003, at 11:21:09
Hi, I'm new to the site...really like it alot. I've been on Lex 3 weeks now (10mg. Clinical Depression with an Generalized Anxiety Disorder (and boy am I in the middle of a great depression). I've been this way since adolescence, but never realized it myself or had anyone qualify it. Alcohol and co-dependency are the self medications I've used in the past. And I have a sibling that was on various ADs for 3+ years.
The only side effect I can blame directly on the Lex is dizziness (because so many of the other things I experience can be attributable to my mental unhealth- digestive problems, lack of appetite, anxiousness, etc). Hopefully, that will be the worst of it and it will go away in time!
Posted by lil' jimi on August 22, 2003, at 15:48:11
In reply to Re: jc12578, posted by jc12578 on August 21, 2003, at 0:50:48
hi jc12578,
> well I have been more or less going through depression for more then 9 years since high school pretty much...about 3 years ago the crying and social withdrawal started...and I went in a got put on "the pills"....I have been on I think it's 6 different antidepressants and countless others to "help me metabolize them better"...so far with no success and some new and added symptoms to my depression...I have become bullemic and had several "successful"(don't know what that means...I am still alive) suicide attempts, plus I am into hurting myself...currently I am living with my mother and looking for a new psychologist cause I have yet to find one that I can even talk to....so thats that...phew...too much info
>thanks for the additional info, but (if it's not too much?) i'll ask for some more detail ...
... which ADs have you tried?
... which ones for how long?
... which supplements were used with which ADs?
... what dosage and for how long were you on lexapro?
... how did the other ADs compare with your lexapro experience?it sometimes helps to be able to put your experience into the context of your history ...
thanks for your reply!best of luck!
~ jim
Posted by Lex Poster Girl on August 22, 2003, at 19:15:46
In reply to Re: 1st week help??? » Arrianna, posted by Flighty on August 22, 2003, at 15:40:25
Hmmm... I go away for a few days and things get so confusing around here. Perhaps I'm not savvy enough. I see that there is now a spelling link down there - I wonder if that had anything to do with my frustrated comment? Maybe Big Brother Bob really is watching us.
On to the drug thing to make sure I don't get censored. I've been really fortunate on lex - very few and always mild side effects but, after reading the previous post, I realize that I have also had a lack of appetite or, at least, a lot of weight loss. My depression usually makes it difficult for me to eat but, now that I'm feeling better, I'm not sure why I'm still not interested in eating and still dropping weight. Overall, I feel really good, but others have begun to comment on my weight and a lot of my clothes don't fit.
Any thoughts?
-Lex
Posted by hog80ci on August 22, 2003, at 19:20:41
In reply to Re: 1st week help??? » El, posted by Mariposa on August 21, 2003, at 18:49:56
This is my first week in Lex as well. Actually, today is day three and I am so nauseated I can't stand it. I'm grinding my teeth too. I started doing that on effexor. I really have to know if this sick stomach goes away. Doc put me on 10mg to start for seven days and then 20mg from then on. I sure am grateful to have stumbled upon this little group.
Jim
Posted by Lex Poster Girl on August 22, 2003, at 19:30:09
In reply to Re: 1st week help???, posted by hog80ci on August 22, 2003, at 19:20:41
Yes! Fear not my friend. Tell people you're pregnant (this is probably a better idea for men than women) and take a few days off. Almost everyone is nausious for a few days to a week and then it subsides. I'm at 20mg and never feel sick to my stomach anymore. Try to treat it like a normal stomach problem - lay off food with fat or anything really spicy. I found little to make it better, but paying attention to diet kept it from getting worse.
7 days doesn't seem like quite long enough to try on 10mgs. Seems like almost everyone around here is on less than 10. For most people, you revisit all the same side effects when you up the dose so you may want to talk to your doctor about giving your body a little more time to adjust to the 10 before upping the dose. This is also good because, in my experience, doctors have a lot of 10mg samples but no 20s.
Hang in there and rent some good movies for the weekend.
-Lex
Posted by Doug in PA on August 22, 2003, at 19:41:21
In reply to Re: 1st week help???, posted by hog80ci on August 22, 2003, at 19:20:41
Hi,
No matter what medication you take there are always side effects; some are good, most are bothersome. Your body has a unique chemistry and it may take days or weeks to adjust to this new chemical you are taking. Stick with it. The first few days (sometimes weeks) are the worst.
For me it was six long weeks before I thought that Lex was working for me. It took 10 days for my stomach to settle down. Each day gets a little better though. Give it a week then phone your doctor and let him know what is going on.
Doug in PA
Posted by trucker on August 22, 2003, at 21:56:20
In reply to Re: 1st week help???hog80ci, posted by Lex Poster Girl on August 22, 2003, at 19:30:09
> Yes! Fear not my friend. Tell people you're pregnant (this is probably a better idea for men than women) and take a few days off. Almost everyone is nausious for a few days to a week and then it subsides. I'm at 20mg and never feel sick to my stomach anymore. Try to treat it like a normal stomach problem - lay off food with fat or anything really spicy. I found little to make it better, but paying attention to diet kept it from getting worse.
>
> 7 days doesn't seem like quite long enough to try on 10mgs. Seems like almost everyone around here is on less than 10. For most people, you revisit all the same side effects when you up the dose so you may want to talk to your doctor about giving your body a little more time to adjust to the 10 before upping the dose. This is also good because, in my experience, doctors have a lot of 10mg samples but no 20s.
>
> Hang in there and rent some good movies for the weekend.
>
> -Lex/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
i am on 20mg of lex, been there for 3 or more months. i feel great. the beginning was rough however and i am glad i took it at night for several weeks. hang in there.
trucker
Posted by jc12578 on August 23, 2003, at 8:56:08
In reply to re: jc12578, posted by lil' jimi on August 22, 2003, at 15:48:11
> hi jc12578,
>
> > well I have been more or less going through depression for more then 9 years since high school pretty much...about 3 years ago the crying and social withdrawal started...and I went in a got put on "the pills"....I have been on I think it's 6 different antidepressants and countless others to "help me metabolize them better"...so far with no success and some new and added symptoms to my depression...I have become bullemic and had several "successful"(don't know what that means...I am still alive) suicide attempts, plus I am into hurting myself...currently I am living with my mother and looking for a new psychologist cause I have yet to find one that I can even talk to....so thats that...phew...too much info
> >
>
> thanks for the additional info, but (if it's not too much?) i'll ask for some more detail ...
>
> ... which ADs have you tried?
> ... which ones for how long?
> ... which supplements were used with which ADs?
> ... what dosage and for how long were you on
lexapro?
> ... how did the other ADs compare with your lexapro experience?
>
> it sometimes helps to be able to put your experience into the context of your history ...
> thanks for your reply!
>
> best of luck!
> ~ jim
>
>
get ready for a lot of reading...since ~2001 I have been onElavil I worked up to 250 a day and was on it for like 2 months and my birth control was changed to Ortho Novum 1/50 cause specualted that it was a hormone imbalance and occasional progesterone/estrogen therapy along with that then
Zoloft Due to a pharmacy error I took too much and went really crazy...actually saw stuff crawiling on me...I was supposed to take 50 2x or half of a 100 2 times a day and the and the pharmicist put 200 2x's a day and when i questioned him he said the doc had it wrong and this was what the doc wanted...SO DEPRESSION RULE 1 WAS LEARNED...OBEY NO ONE BLINDLY AND TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT....cause when I went into the ER shaking and freaking out it was chalked off as a suicide attempt and the only person wong was me...so that ended that pill and a lot of my faith in the hope that medicine may be a way to help me..
Prozac was after that I was on that the longest almost a year...went from 20 daily to 120 in like 6 months daily and this is when stuff started getting added:
Ativan...to help the insomnia...didn't work 2 months on that
valium...same purpose I went up to 10 mg...stopped after 1 month
flexaril...I have no clue why that was added...took I think it was 50 a day and turned into a zombie for 2 months
*****
new doctor...more meds
got a new gen prac. and she added elavil back to mix 10 mg day for a month...then next month added klonopin...like 1mg 2 times a day...then I stopped sleeping so she added temeazepam twice a day...I think it was 25 each time...that didn't work so to that coctail she added trazadone 100 mg at bed time...I started gaining weight and so she puts me on zynthroid twice daily...2 multi vitamins, plus folic acid and an additional B compex daily...I was also still on the hormones and birth control plus migraine meds (phenorgan and fiornial as needed) plus nexium for my tummy...it was between 22 and 30 pills daily and then after I was a vegatable trying to wok on my masters she suggested I see a psych...which had not been suggested before as i am a member of an HMO (or so thats what I blame it on)...so I start seeing a doc and she switches the prozac for Effexor...was on that for a month and then put back on prozac the 120 mgs daily...Meanwhile I have a growing stock of pills and I keeps asking to be taken off of one or another and I tried quitting some on my own and got so sick.....so one night I took a handful of stuff and drove to the ER...hoping that they would see all of that stuff waas bad to have around...well they didn't and I went that next am and I was given refills of what I left at the ER and to replace what I took and I went home and took it all plus a bottle of tylenol...a friend/neighbor of mine came over to borrow milk and found me almost dead and called 911 and by some miracle I have yet to understand I lived without having my stomach pumped just a few days in the ICU and lots of charcoal later they realeased me and let me go with prescriptions for EVERYTHING AGAIN....I left the scrips at the hospital and moved in with my mom went to a doctor here and now have to pay for everything out of pocket cause HMO will not cover hospital here...even tho my doctors were total morons...and he put me on celexa for 2 months and then pharmacy didn't have it one month so I got lexapro instead and was told it was same and to basically take it and shut up...so I started on lexapro and stayed on that so as not to finish shutting down my body slowly and painfully...so I hope that answers all the questions...basically I feel like a victim of poor medicine and maybe not so much poor drugs...wow too much stuff...well now I am supposed to be on 30 of lexapro a day but I took myself off last week cold turkey cause I kept blacking out...I want to be put on something else 1 medication that dosen't make me black out as i need to be conscious to work on my PhDjc
Posted by hog80ci on August 23, 2003, at 9:31:28
In reply to Re: 1st week help???hog80ci, posted by Lex Poster Girl on August 22, 2003, at 19:30:09
Thanks Lex
I'm wondering if he started me on 10 because I'd already been on 75mg of effexor. He didn't make me wean off because he said the two drugs are similar. I'm trying to make myself eat even though it feels like everything stays at the bottom of my throat. Thanks again.
Jim
Posted by Lex Poster Girl on August 23, 2003, at 10:20:38
In reply to Re: 1st week help???hog80ci » Lex Poster Girl, posted by hog80ci on August 23, 2003, at 9:31:28
Hey Jim,
There have been a lot of horror stories about effexor withdrawl around here. I don't have any personal experience, but you may want to search for it. This stuff gets so complicated when you don't know if you're experiencing withdrawl from the previous drug or side effects from the new drug.
There is this protein shake thing that really physically active people use called Myoplex. I lost a lot of weight and nutrition before I started lex so, in addition to the side effects, I was probably malnourished, which does not help the mental stuff anymore than sleep deprivation. You can pick myoplex up at health food stores in several flavors and it is fairly easy to get and keep down. It is good that you are trying to eat - if you're not physically healthy, no drug is going to be much help.
Keep eating ;)
-Lex
Posted by Mariposa on August 23, 2003, at 11:48:59
In reply to Re: 10th week help???, posted by Lex Poster Girl on August 22, 2003, at 19:15:46
> Hmmm... I go away for a few days and things get so confusing around here. Perhaps I'm not savvy enough. I see that there is now a spelling link down there - I wonder if that had anything to do with my frustrated comment? Maybe Big Brother Bob really is watching us.
>
> On to the drug thing to make sure I don't get censored. I've been really fortunate on lex - very few and always mild side effects but, after reading the previous post, I realize that I have also had a lack of appetite or, at least, a lot of weight loss. My depression usually makes it difficult for me to eat but, now that I'm feeling better, I'm not sure why I'm still not interested in eating and still dropping weight. Overall, I feel really good, but others have begun to comment on my weight and a lot of my clothes don't fit.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> -LexI have gone from a size 10 to size 6 since I started Lex. Into 6th mo., now @ 20mg. I was overweight anyway so I'm VERY happy w/this side effect!!! I don't seem to crave sweets and desserts as much any more, think about them but don't actually want to eat them. Also eat smaller portions and feel full. Had a physical and am in good health so I decided to buy some new clothes for the *new ME*. Shopping always does make me feel good!
Good luck to you!~~~8|8
Posted by Mariposa on August 23, 2003, at 12:10:01
In reply to Re: 1st week help???, posted by hog80ci on August 22, 2003, at 19:20:41
> This is my first week in Lex as well. Actually, today is day three and I am so nauseated I can't stand it. I'm grinding my teeth too. I started doing that on effexor. I really have to know if this sick stomach goes away. Doc put me on 10mg to start for seven days and then 20mg from then on. I sure am grateful to have stumbled upon this little group.
> JimA lot of people have had *better* results starting off @ 5mg, cut pill in half, for the first couple of weeks to get through the side effects. Also taking in the evening so you sleep (hopefully) through the side effects can help. The se's will usually begin to lessen and go away after 2-3 weeks. Many people have said (self included) that they really didn't notice a *difference* until 5 or 6 weeks. I am into month 6, now @ 20mg.
Keep us posted on your progress!~~~8|8
Posted by tm on August 23, 2003, at 12:34:33
In reply to Re: 1st week help???, posted by Mariposa on August 23, 2003, at 12:10:01
If I remember right didn't you recently go up on your dose. I sounds like your doing much better!! I have been on 20mg for at least four month and I am starting to feel the anxiety creeping back in, but no where near like I use to be be. Still doing what you told me, have a plan in the mornings and stick to it and it helps. If you did recently go up was there any talk of going higher than 20mg?
Thanks Tim
Posted by Mariposa on August 23, 2003, at 16:50:11
In reply to maraposa??, posted by tm on August 23, 2003, at 12:34:33
> If I remember right didn't you recently go up on your dose. I sounds like your doing much better!! I have been on 20mg for at least four month and I am starting to feel the anxiety creeping back in, but no where near like I use to be be. Still doing what you told me, have a plan in the mornings and stick to it and it helps. If you did recently go up was there any talk of going higher than 20mg?
>Yes, been @ 20mg about 10 days, I think. Somewhere in month 5 I started to feel what you are now describing. I asked my gyn doc (who psc'd it for PMDD) if I could up dose, he refused. Went to a pdoc, told him what was up, and he immediately upped my dose to 20mg. And I am feeling MUCH better, thanks for noticing! No talk of higher doses but I think I found a good pdoc who will work w/me.
Take Care!~~~8|8
Posted by tm on August 23, 2003, at 17:15:07
In reply to Re: maraposa?? » tm, posted by Mariposa on August 23, 2003, at 16:50:11
> > If I remember right didn't you recently go up on your dose. I sounds like your doing much better!! I have been on 20mg for at least four month and I am starting to feel the anxiety creeping back in, but no where near like I use to be be. Still doing what you told me, have a plan in the mornings and stick to it and it helps. If you did recently go up was there any talk of going higher than 20mg?
> >
>
> Yes, been @ 20mg about 10 days, I think. Somewhere in month 5 I started to feel what you are now describing. I asked my gyn doc (who psc'd it for PMDD) if I could up dose, he refused. Went to a pdoc, told him what was up, and he immediately upped my dose to 20mg. And I am feeling MUCH better, thanks for noticing! No talk of higher doses but I think I found a good pdoc who will work w/me.
>
> Take Care!~~~8|8
>
> I will be going to my pdoc on Sept.3, I will let you know what he suggests, he been pretty good to me. He suffers like we do so he knows how I feel. Thanks ~8/8.
Tim>
Posted by Doug in PA on August 23, 2003, at 19:10:11
In reply to Re: 10th week help???, posted by Mariposa on August 23, 2003, at 11:48:59
Well bless you all for loosing weight. I just wish it would work that way with me. I have really porked up during the last 10 weeks on Lex. Even if I skip one or two meals a day and really watch what I eat, I put on weight. I have gained 18 pounds in about 10 weeks. They say that fat people are happy but this fat person is not happy about this. I was 30 pounds overweight when I started Lex. Even the early stages when the Lex made me feel sick to even think of food, the pounds still went on. After supper I no longer go for a walk down the street, I roll like a ball. Seriously, has anyone else had a serious problem putting on weight with lex.
Doug in PA
Posted by hog80ci on August 23, 2003, at 19:34:44
In reply to Re: 1st week help??? hog80ci, posted by Lex Poster Girl on August 23, 2003, at 10:20:38
Thanks Lex. It's nice to be able to "talk" about this stuff. I'm trying not to complain too much either. I looked through the posts and saw a lot of people doing very well on this med. I'm hopeful that things will settle down eventually. It will be worth it if it helps me out of the hole I dug for myself after serzone burned out.
I'll check out the Myoplex. I think I saw it a GNC.
Take it easy.
Jim
Posted by pumpkin on August 23, 2003, at 20:00:40
In reply to Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by Dr. Bob on June 11, 2002, at 7:52:48
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