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Posted by Dinah on March 19, 2005, at 8:59:31
In reply to Re: Help, Dinah, posted by Susan47 on March 19, 2005, at 0:12:43
If you think you need stitches, then go.
I hurt my finger with a straight edged razor a while back (a genuine craft related accident involving a barbie) and *did* go into the late night urgent care place. It ended up not needing stitches but the finger tip's been a bit odd and tingly ever since and that was months ago.
I vote for go.
Posted by Susan47 on March 19, 2005, at 9:58:11
In reply to Re: Help, Dinah » Susan47, posted by Dinah on March 19, 2005, at 8:59:31
You damaged some nerves. I pasted mine together with a bandaid and it stopped bleeding and it only hurts when I take the bandaid off, like this morning after my shower. I didn't look at it, I'm keeping it tightly together and hoping it doesn't infect. I don't think it will. If I get it wet it'll start bleeding so I'm just being careful not too. But I think it'll be okay, thanks Dinah, I slept with it last night and it didn't start bleeding so Yay. I'm sorry about your finger. How long did it take to heal yours?
Posted by cubic_me on March 19, 2005, at 12:55:44
In reply to Re: Help, Dinah, posted by Susan47 on March 19, 2005, at 9:58:11
I cut the tip of my finger severely when it went straight down onto a kife blade when I reached into the dishwasher. I held it together with bandaids, when blood seeped out through the first I put more on and so on. I didn't take them off for 24hours, then changed it daily after that. It didn't get infected, and although I lost a little sensation in it for a month or so it is fine now.
I hope your recovers ok susan, just take care of it.
Posted by Susan47 on March 19, 2005, at 16:30:08
In reply to Re: Help, Dinah » Susan47, posted by cubic_me on March 19, 2005, at 12:55:44
Thank you cubic me. I'm pretty sure it'll be fine. It was a clean cut, very sharp knife, and as long as I keep the edges and the flesh together I'm sure it'll heal well. I have those finger cots; dishes, doing the dishes, that germy yucky job I hate it, that's the one that'll cause problems if anything will. I used to have a dishwasher. Now it's me. :)
Posted by gardenergirl on March 19, 2005, at 18:26:42
In reply to Re: Help, Dinah » cubic_me, posted by Susan47 on March 19, 2005, at 16:30:08
Use some with the bandaid. Not too much or the pad will get soggy. But it helps.
I cut my finger cleaning a pill cutter. Very stupid, not thinking.."oh, look this side needs it too!" rub rub rub, ouch!
I had a hard getting it to stop bleeding, too. I had to use ice, pressure, and hold it higher than my heart for a good 20 minutes. I thought I was going to have to get a stitch or two, but I had a plane to catch. Fortunately, it stopped bleeding, I put a bandage on it with a blob of neosporin, which I used every time I changed the bandage.
gg
Posted by Susan47 on March 19, 2005, at 21:40:08
In reply to Neosporin » Susan47, posted by gardenergirl on March 19, 2005, at 18:26:42
Thanks for the reminder, I'll do that next time I change the bandaid :)
Posted by Dinah on March 20, 2005, at 0:11:06
In reply to Re: Help, Dinah » Susan47, posted by cubic_me on March 19, 2005, at 12:55:44
Oh, glad to hear those nerves regenerate. It's really obvious that my fingertip isn't back to normal when I type. But maybe soon.
They did teach me in the urgent care place how to stop the bleeding. You hold the finger well below the cut, down by the base, so long and so hard that it turns cold and pale (or so it seemed to me) and hurts like the dickens. It took much longer than they thought but it did work.
Posted by Susan47 on March 20, 2005, at 11:53:15
In reply to Re: Help, Dinah » cubic_me, posted by Dinah on March 20, 2005, at 0:11:06
So all the blood in the tip bleeds out? That makes sense I guess. How long do nerves last without a blood supply? Maybe that's why they were damaged so then it would make sense that they would regenerate. Close your eyes and grow those nerves. Do you think that type of thing works? I've heard of women who grow their breasts by meditating. Hmm.
Posted by cubic_me on March 20, 2005, at 14:52:25
In reply to Re: Help, Dinah » cubic_me, posted by Dinah on March 20, 2005, at 0:11:06
> They did teach me in the urgent care place how to stop the bleeding. You hold the finger well below the cut, down by the base, so long and so hard that it turns cold and pale (or so it seemed to me) and hurts like the dickens. It took much longer than they thought but it did work.That could be quite dangerous you know. They stopped teaching the British general public to do that about 20 years ago, when people who had been taught to put tornequets on to stem the blood left them on for too long and limbs had to be amputated. Nerves start to die off after about 10mins, so that could well be why they are affected.
Nowadays it it taught to raise the limb to above heart level and apply pressure with a clean cloth/bandage/dressing and keep adding more dressings on top (rather than removing and replacing them) as the blood soaks through.
Posted by Dinah on March 20, 2005, at 15:40:43
In reply to Re: Help, Dinah » Dinah, posted by cubic_me on March 20, 2005, at 14:52:25
Good grief. I thought it appeared odd that they did that. It hurt like h*ll and the finger changed to a blueish white. They had wrapped it that way, and I had to unwrap it. Ouch Ouch Ouch.
Sigh. Young doctor too.
Posted by Dinah on May 16, 2005, at 20:18:34
In reply to Useful psychology and psychotherapy books, posted by Dinah on March 17, 2005, at 22:14:56
I ended up not liking "The Dependent Patient: A Practitioner's Guide" as much as I had thought. It got too technical in the end, with too few illustrative stories. I live for those stories.
I also scanned "Somatoform Dissociation" and don't understand one word in three. I think I understood enough to see it doesn't apply to me. :( The perils of shopping at Amazon.
I think I'm going to have to figure out what to do with all those extra books that I don't really think I want to re-read or use as a reference. I was always afraid to give them away for fear they would somehow give away my hobby. But now that I've come clean with my therapist, I suppose it wouldn't be such a fearful thing.
I spent the weekend putting up a five shelf bookshelf in my closet, and added a couple of extra shelves. It still doesn't fit my entire Pych book collection. All of the magazines, a few textbooks, the books on the mind/brain, and a few specialized books are still where they used to be. :( I really do need to do a purge.
I have almost no books on dissociation I like. "The Myth of Sanity" and "The Stranger in the Mirror" are the only two that come to mind.
Posted by Crackers on May 27, 2006, at 2:25:42
In reply to Re: My favorite books on dissociation, posted by Dinah on September 22, 2004, at 20:24:11
My male psychologist asked me to read "In Session" when I HAD BEEN TRYING, FOR OVER A MONTH, TO DISCUSS WITH HIM THE ISSUE OF TRANSFERENCE AND COUNTER TRANSFERENCE. I read that book 5 times and couldn't believe what I was reading. To me it sounded like each one of these women in the book were being sexually abused by their pyschologists and that it was useful in therapy. I had to take a month off of therapy with him and spoke to several other councellors and male friends to find out their opinion on certain behaviours my therapists displayed. I then booked an appointment with my therapist to ask him why he asked me to read the book. His defence he thought it would be useful. So I told him my opinion of the book. He apologized and suggested we go out for a smoke together. For the duration of that appointment we stared at each other. Next day, I fired my psychologist. I hadn't had one sexual thought or fantasy about my psychologist but my psychologist insisted on physical contact without asking for consent first. He would also have these subconversations about sex, always discuss my sexual tendencies and try to get me to talk to him on a non professional basis.
Hope this is some help and it's not too late.
Alison B.>An easy subject to start with, because it's a >very short list.
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> "The Myth of Sanity" by Martha Stout is my very very favorite. This book changed my life. It normalized so many things that scared me before. It is written in a no-nonsense non-sensational manner that is very reassuring. And it talks about milder dissociative experiences that resonate with me. It and "In Session" would be the two books I always want in arms reach.
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> The other one I like is "The Stranger in the Mirror" by Marlene Steinberg. It is written in a similar straightforward and calm manner and contains some snippets based on Steinberg's dissociative disorder structured clinical interview.
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> Has anyone read either of these books? If so, what did you think of them? Do you have other dissociative disorders favorites?
Posted by Dinah on May 27, 2006, at 10:57:52
In reply to Re: In Session » Dinah, posted by Crackers on May 27, 2006, at 2:25:42
I'm sorry you had such a bad experience and had a bad reaction to "In Session". My therapist has never stepped a toe out of line, and I'm sure he's not in any way attracted to me. I'm also not at all attracted to him. But I found the book useful in normalizing my strong maternal transference to him, and in discovering what I *didn't* feel for him.
Posted by Crackers on May 27, 2006, at 14:24:31
In reply to Re: In Session » Crackers, posted by Dinah on May 27, 2006, at 10:57:52
Threw my experience I learned not to doubt my self anymore. Glad your therapist didn't jump on to the sofa with you and kick off his shoes. I kept blaming myself until my male friends told me that straight up that they knew me well enough to know I wouldn't have provoked the situation.
Posted by susan47 on May 28, 2006, at 0:49:31
In reply to Re: In Session » Dinah, posted by Crackers on May 27, 2006, at 2:25:42
Weird, weird behaviour.
People do the strangest things.
Don't they ...
Even psychologists, doctors lawyers indian chiefs the cook the baker the candlestick maker .. teachers ... nurses and clerks, mechanics and yes, even .. gardeners. Everyone is weird, and odd, and a bit off, sometimes and in their own ways.
Oi.
Posted by susan47 on May 28, 2006, at 1:54:39
In reply to Re: In Session » Dinah, posted by Crackers on May 27, 2006, at 2:25:42
P.S., Crackers, you actually didn't say very much to back up your story. What's going on? Is there a thread about your story? It just sounds so weird, this T but it also kind of sounds like maybe you misinterpreted some things, I mean it just doesn't really make a lot of sense. What's the story?
Posted by Crackers on May 28, 2006, at 14:09:16
In reply to Re: In Session » Crackers, posted by susan47 on May 28, 2006, at 1:54:39
I have PTSD. Most recent assault was Dec/05 when an intimate boyfriend decided to strangle me while having sex. My therapist and I have been working through making a police report, etc. After making the police report my therapist offered me a hug and I accepted. Then in future visits he started to tell me how beautiful I was. When he read my police report he hinted at how good I must be at sex. During appointments me would stare at me and smile. He continued to offer me hugs and I accepted but started to feel uncomfortable. I then tried to communicate this to him but he avoided the subject. His behavoir then all of a sudden became more professional. He started making comments about how smart I was and I should become a therapist, he suggested that he could be my mentor but mentoring doesn't pay and encouraged me to visit him outside of session. He then gave me "In Session" to read and that's when he joined me on the sofa and kicked off his shoes. Since then I started seeking advice from other therapists and social workers and male friends because I didn't want to believe what I was seeing. I haven't been sexually aroused since Dec/05. I also asked my closest male friends if I provoke the situation and they all said no. What do you think was going on?
Posted by Crackers on May 28, 2006, at 14:20:43
In reply to Re: In Session » Crackers, posted by susan47 on May 28, 2006, at 1:54:39
I should also add that since the start of May I began to see a new councellor. Since then my old therapist has invited me to come see him outside of session and he's back to being all friendly again. He also suggests that we have a powerful connection between us.
Posted by susan47 on May 28, 2006, at 14:59:29
In reply to Re: In Session, posted by Crackers on May 28, 2006, at 14:09:16
Oh. It sounds like stuff I went through, the bad sex and strangling, but I don't know how much I told the T about that. I haven't finished your post about the therapist, oh dear, this could not be good.
Posted by susan47 on May 28, 2006, at 15:16:08
In reply to Re: In Session, posted by Crackers on May 28, 2006, at 14:20:43
Poor man. He's a bit deluded, if all that's really going on. Wow. He needs to take Freud's advice, you know, the five-year help sessions or something. Where he gets to see a psych and he gets to deal with his own issues.
You have to protect yourself and just pity him right now, don't make him defensive by telling him, but just stop seeing him. If he makes any effort at all to communicate with you and you haven't called him for a client/therapist reason, you might tell him very gently and kindly that he's welcome to join you for a session or two with your new psych. Only don't tell him it might be permanent. These poor people have a tremendous load to bear, I think. They've chosen a really difficult profession. I'm jsut about three chapters into this fab book which might be helpful, I'm hoping it'll make me understand better what happens in the therapy office .. all right, now right there is an issue, it's not a therapy room, it's an Office, it is an office, but it's also an intimate therapy atmosphere, so you have this conundrum, this thing that cannot be because therapy has to be intimate to work, but I mean therapy office? What are they called? Come into my ...
Posted by gardenergirl on June 2, 2006, at 2:45:16
In reply to Re: In Session, posted by susan47 on May 28, 2006, at 0:49:31
> and yes, even .. gardeners. Everyone is weird, and odd, and a bit off, sometimes and in their own ways.
> Oi.
Posted by Reggie BoStar on August 16, 2006, at 1:44:49
In reply to Useful psychology and psychotherapy books, posted by Dinah on September 22, 2004, at 20:15:16
I was surprised to see one of M. Scott Peck's books in the list of recommended readings in this thread.
Huh? In the first edition of "The Road Less Travelled", he suggests that sex between therapist and patient could be beneficial.
Sorry. No way. In response to the resulting collective shock of his readers, he supposedly removed this passage from later editions; but not before this incredible gaffe gave warning to the effect that his agenda might have nothing to do with psychotherapy.
What was left after the controversial passage was removed? Take a look at one of his other gems: "In other words, mental illness occurs when the conscious will of the individual deviates substantially from the will of God, which is the individual's own unconscious will."
Did someone say "flow of consciousness"? That last one was a flash flood, going from mental illness, to religion, to New Age double talk.
Enough said about "The Road...", which I wish M. Scott would hit.
In "People of the Lie", he personifies "Evil" and proceeds to label patients as such. What happened to behavioural illness? Are people who suffer from behavioural illnesses really "evil"?
He even goes so far as to call one severly depressed patient "dependent, infantile, lazy."
Wow. What a loser that guy was, eh, M. Scott?
Later, he tells one patient she's "evil" and suggests a treatment of exorcism to her!
I think I'll pass on therapist/patient sex, demonic evil, exorcism, paranormal experiences, and M. Scott Peck. I have enough troubles, and I suspect that his patients do, too.
Posted by Estella on August 25, 2006, at 0:04:15
In reply to M. Scott Peck?? Is this an exorcism BBS?, posted by Reggie BoStar on August 16, 2006, at 1:44:49
hrm.
i just read the first amazon review.
sounds like a crank to me...
(and i don't mean the amazon review)
i guess some people benefited from it
<shrug>
Posted by cecilia on August 25, 2006, at 2:02:54
In reply to M. Scott Peck?? Is this an exorcism BBS?, posted by Reggie BoStar on August 16, 2006, at 1:44:49
I agree M. Scott Peck is a crackpot. I've never read any of his books cover to cover but I skimmed through the one where he called a patient "evil" because she didn't like sunny days, had an annoying habit of running out of gas and needing to be siphoned from her T's tank (you don't have to be a T to figure out the symbolism there) and quit t immediately after doing free association "right" for the first time. I'm sure she had problems, but it seems pretty childish as well as cruel for a t to get revenge on a patient by calling her "evil" in print. Cecilia
Posted by Dinah on September 1, 2006, at 21:38:24
In reply to Re: M. Scott Peck?? Is this an exorcism BBS?, posted by cecilia on August 25, 2006, at 2:02:54
I like Scott Peck.
He doesn't have all the answers of course, but I usually find benefit in reading his books.
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