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Posted by Dee on November 15, 1999, at 21:53:54
I may have to face the fact that Serzone failed and start shopping around.
In an attampt to self medicate some years ago I addicted myself to crystalmeth. Although the side effects of meth way overpowered any relief it gave me, the fact remains that it *did* relieve my anxiety and depression. After a run on speed I was able to function normally for about a month, then I had to take another run.
(I do not recommend this --- after a few years of running I was run down, mentally and physically).As the streetphysicists explained it to me when we were getting high, speed affect dopamin and somhow makes the neurons fire all at once, out of control. Wellbutrin inhibits the dopamin reuptake (So I believe, correct me if I am wrong)
My question is, would this be a reason for me to try wellbutrin, or should I stay away from it because it might trigger the addiction-related anxiety (=compulsively overdosing, withdrawal etc.)
Any ideas?
Posted by Zannah on November 16, 1999, at 8:06:06
In reply to Wellbutrin for amphetamine addict?, posted by Dee on November 15, 1999, at 21:53:54
> I may have to face the fact that Serzone failed and start shopping around.
>
> In an attampt to self medicate some years ago I addicted myself to crystalmeth. Although the side effects of meth way overpowered any relief it gave me, the fact remains that it *did* relieve my anxiety and depression. After a run on speed I was able to function normally for about a month, then I had to take another run.
> (I do not recommend this --- after a few years of running I was run down, mentally and physically).
>
> As the streetphysicists explained it to me when we were getting high, speed affect dopamin and somhow makes the neurons fire all at once, out of control. Wellbutrin inhibits the dopamin reuptake (So I believe, correct me if I am wrong)
>
> My question is, would this be a reason for me to try wellbutrin, or should I stay away from it because it might trigger the addiction-related anxiety (=compulsively overdosing, withdrawal etc.)
>
> Any ideas?Hi Dee,
Thw wellbutrin literature suggests that the prescribing of W'butrin to former drug abusers could be risky, as W'butrin is considered to be mildly abusable.
I have used dexedrine in the past with great results, but it was not prescribed to me. I got it from a friend. WB does have a stimulating effect, and, in the first 10 days of use, I had about 5-6 great days where I felt energized and hopeful. Then that feeling disappeared and now I don't know that it is doing anything, except maybe lessening my weepiness and helping me get out of bed in the a.m.
I admit that the 'abusable' potential mentioned intrigued me and I took about 100 extra mgs. once w/my 150 mgs. All it did was make me anxious and panicky, w/chest pressure and sheer discomfort.
The recommended high dose is 450 a day, taken in 3 well-spaced (by 6-8 hrs.) intervals. I take 300 now. 450 made me uncomfortable.
It is interesting, however, I have read that It sometimes takes as much as 600mgs. a day for the successful treatment for those patients who have formerly abused drugs.
I have 3 weeks of Effexor samples that I may try adding to my W'butrin. I didn't known that mixing of AD's was 'done' until I found this message board.
Please e-mail if you have any ?'s. I have been on W'butrin for about 4-5 months.
PS-How long did you try the serzone for? Was it effective at any time during treatment?
Posted by jamie on November 17, 1999, at 2:41:43
In reply to Re: Wellbutrin for amphetamine addict?, posted by Zannah on November 16, 1999, at 8:06:06
None of these ADs--including wellbutrin--make you high. They take weeks to work. Side effects might be stimulating, but not in the same way as speed. I don't think wellbutrin is abusable because of the lack of a high. Otherwise we would be reading about wellbutrin addicts in the newspaper. Just doesn't happen. If someone were looking for a buzz or a drug to get addicted to, wellbutrin would be a pretty disappointing choice. I can't imagine anyone abusing wellbutrin because it has nothing as a 'reward' to offer. It is an AD, not a drug of abuse. I've never heard of anyone abusing it. Amphetamine is addicting, wellbutrin isn't.
Posted by JackieDempsey on October 12, 2005, at 22:47:54
In reply to Re: Wellbutrin for amphetamine addict?, posted by jamie on November 17, 1999, at 2:41:43
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> None of these ADs--including wellbutrin--make you high. They take weeks to work. Side effects might be stimulating, but not in the same way as speed. I don't think wellbutrin is abusable because of the lack of a high. Otherwise we would be reading about wellbutrin addicts in the newspaper. Just doesn't happen. If someone were looking for a buzz or a drug to get addicted to, wellbutrin would be a pretty disappointing choice. I can't imagine anyone abusing wellbutrin because it has nothing as a 'reward' to offer. It is an AD, not a drug of abuse. I've never heard of anyone abusing it. Amphetamine is addicting, wellbutrin isn't.
Never tried wellbutrin but when I was 14 I had my very first drug experience. I was very against medication in general at that age no asprin or anything. If drugs were bad (my mother is a cop) then drugs were bad escpecially mood altering ones. didnt matter who gave them to you right? I got prescribed zoloft for depression 50 mg and after the third day I woke up in euphoria. I swear the feeling I can most associate that with now that I'm 21 is rolling on X. After my first experience with zoloft I tried all kinds of drugs starting with pot and doing the typical gateway thing but it really all started with zoloft. I was like mom I dont want to take this it makes me feel unnaturally good and shes like you have to take it dr says so. so of course I'm like ok drugs must be acceptable. Wellbutrin may not be addictive but it affects the way your brain makes you feel. Its a drug. If it gets you feeling good well go for it its socially acceptable to take ADs everybody is doin it I'm goin to the doc tomorrow to get put back on something since I quit using drugs recreationally and medicinally I can barely function. so no i dont think ADs are addictive science says they are not but the idea of being able to alter your mood with substance is. Make any sense? like when i was using and couldnt get coke i would take pain medication to keep me feeling good even though it wasnt satisfying my addiction. Its the ability to change your state of mind that I think is habit forming. Sure there are other ways of doing it that are more healthy but this is america damnit and i want my cheeseburger now!
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