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Posted by savana on January 13, 2000, at 22:09:00
Anyone out there willing to help me put together a
class action lawsuit?
I was not informed about the possibility of mania on SSRI's
I was out of control on Paxil, and did not know it.
Lost my job, and my fiancee due to my changed behavior
while on this drug. Lost innocence as well.
Want my life back!!!!!
I deserved BETTER.
Learning new facts everyday on the net. Lot's of people
like me. If you became detructive on an SSRI, I
would like to hear from you.
ThanksANGRY. Feel like a lab rat.
Posted by Scott L. Schofield on January 14, 2000, at 8:42:41
In reply to Paxil induced mania, and psycosis, posted by savana on January 13, 2000, at 22:09:00
> Anyone out there willing to help me put together a
> class action lawsuit?If you are thinking of launching a law-suite, you may want to start with your prescribing physician.
SmithKline Beecham, the drug manufacture, clearly states in its literature regarding Paxil (paroxetine) that a manic reaction is a possible side-effect.
> I was not informed about the possibility of mania on SSRI's
> I was out of control on Paxil, and did not know it.
> Lost my job, and my fiancee due to my changed behavior
> while on this drug. Lost innocence as well.Did you see a psychiatrist during this manic period? If so, how often or how many times did he see you while you were in this state? Actually, your description of your experiences seems more like hypomania (a less severe form of mania that still allows function, and at times, hyperfunction) rather than full-blown or psychotic mania. Diagnosing and recognizing depression is pretty easy. The patient complains that he/she feels like crap and that they may want to end it all. On the other hand, hypomania can be more difficult to identify. The patient will describe that everything is wonderfully great. If this hypomania occurs during treatment with antidepressants, it may look to both doctor and patient alike that this bright outlook is simply the clinical response expected. Additionally, a patient may behave differently during a doctor's visit in his office than they do outside the office. I think it might be a good idea for a psychiatrist to regularly screen for mania through interview as they do for depression.
I just read an abstract that concluded that most psychiatrists are not trained well enough to recognize the milder forms of mania. This can lead to inadequate or harmful treatment.
> Want my life back!!!!!
> I deserved BETTER.Ditto.
> Learning new facts everyday on the net. Lot's of people
> like me. If you became destructive on an SSRI, I
> would like to hear from you.- Scott
Posted by jamie on January 15, 2000, at 6:39:39
In reply to Paxil induced mania, and psycosis, posted by savana on January 13, 2000, at 22:09:00
The risks are clearly stated on the side effects label. If you must sue anyone, it would be your doctor for not educating you, warning you, and monitoring results. It is also partially your own fault, unfortunately, for not reporting adverse reactions to the doctor so they could make changes. If you were unaware of mania, which is typical sometimes, it should have been caught in a regular followup checkup. There were followups, right?
I think it is self destructive for us to dwell on negatives that make us angry. I think it's better to learn from mistakes, be wiser from them, and carry on with a positive determination to do better with our newfound (though painful) knowledge of ourselves. I agree that you deserve better. Anger will only stand in the way of that happening.
Too often in this age and society we are quick to point the finger at someone else, not wanting to take responsibility for our own actions. That's sad.
Regards,
jamie
Posted by Scott L. Schofield on January 15, 2000, at 8:30:12
In reply to Re: Paxil induced mania, and psycosis, posted by jamie on January 15, 2000, at 6:39:39
> The risks are clearly stated on the side effects label. If you must sue anyone, it would be your doctor for not educating you, warning you, and monitoring results. It is also partially your own fault, unfortunately, for not reporting adverse reactions to the doctor so they could make changes. If you were unaware of mania, which is typical sometimes, it should have been caught in a regular followup checkup. There were followups, right?
>
> I think it is self destructive for us to dwell on negatives that make us angry. I think it's better to learn from mistakes, be wiser from them, and carry on with a positive determination to do better with our newfound (though painful) knowledge of ourselves. I agree that you deserve better. Anger will only stand in the way of that happening.
>
> Too often in this age and society we are quick to point the finger at someone else, not wanting to take responsibility for our own actions. That's sad.
Here, Here !
- Scott
Posted by saint james on January 16, 2000, at 19:01:07
In reply to Paxil induced mania, and psycosis, posted by savana on January 13, 2000, at 22:09:00
> Anyone out there willing to help me put together a
> class action lawsuit?
James here...There are several lawsuits where people were saying X did Y. AFAIK t he drug manufactures won.
In many cases the patients were not truthful about
mental illness that had happened in their past.
Also it is also well known that psycopharms, by their nature of effecting how we think and feel, will have unpridictable effects in some people.james
Posted by Jen Bridges on April 21, 2000, at 18:18:03
In reply to Re: Paxil induced mania, and psycosis, posted by Scott L. Schofield on January 14, 2000, at 8:42:41
>My sister is involved in a class-action lawsuit right now because of her multiple suicide attempts due to Paxil-induced psychosis. Do you want more information?
> Anyone out there willing to help me put together a
> > class action lawsuit?
>
> If you are thinking of launching a law-suite, you may want to start with your prescribing physician.
>
> SmithKline Beecham, the drug manufacture, clearly states in its literature regarding Paxil (paroxetine) that a manic reaction is a possible side-effect.
>
>
> > I was not informed about the possibility of mania on SSRI's
> > I was out of control on Paxil, and did not know it.
> > Lost my job, and my fiancee due to my changed behavior
> > while on this drug. Lost innocence as well.
>
> Did you see a psychiatrist during this manic period? If so, how often or how many times did he see you while you were in this state? Actually, your description of your experiences seems more like hypomania (a less severe form of mania that still allows function, and at times, hyperfunction) rather than full-blown or psychotic mania. Diagnosing and recognizing depression is pretty easy. The patient complains that he/she feels like crap and that they may want to end it all. On the other hand, hypomania can be more difficult to identify. The patient will describe that everything is wonderfully great. If this hypomania occurs during treatment with antidepressants, it may look to both doctor and patient alike that this bright outlook is simply the clinical response expected. Additionally, a patient may behave differently during a doctor's visit in his office than they do outside the office. I think it might be a good idea for a psychiatrist to regularly screen for mania through interview as they do for depression.
>
> I just read an abstract that concluded that most psychiatrists are not trained well enough to recognize the milder forms of mania. This can lead to inadequate or harmful treatment.
>
> > Want my life back!!!!!
> > I deserved BETTER.
>
> Ditto.
>
> > Learning new facts everyday on the net. Lot's of people
> > like me. If you became destructive on an SSRI, I
> > would like to hear from you.
>
>
>
> - Scott
Posted by Cam W. on April 23, 2000, at 19:58:43
In reply to Re: Paxil induced mania, and psycosis, posted by Jen Bridges on April 21, 2000, at 18:18:03
To All - Paxil has a very low manic switch rate, which is why it is used (or tried) in bipolar disorder.
What has been described on this thread could also be 'serotonin withdrawl syndrome'. It is usually seen with Effexor, but has also been seen with Paxil, Luvox, and (I believe) Serzone. Serotonin withdrawl syndrome can manifest itself as hypomania and is virtually indistinguishable from bipolar II disorder. I have heard of very a couple of very good pdocs mistaking serotonin withdrawl syndrome for manic switch. I wouldn't be able to tell them apart.
Manic or hypomanic symptoms are a side effect of Paxil. What you have to ask yourself is, "Did I miss one or two doses in a row?" Serotonin withdrawl syndrome can appear about 12 - 24 hours after a missed dose of Paxil. The way to distinguish it from manic switch is to reintroduce the drug and if the symptoms resolve in about 12 hours, then it probably was serotonin withdrawl syndrome. Hope this helps - Cam W.
Posted by Sharri Cole on May 15, 2000, at 11:59:34
In reply to Re: Paxil induced mania, and psycosis, posted by Scott L. Schofield on January 14, 2000, at 8:42:41
OK. This is interesting. I was recently informed
by my employers of behavior problems. Fortunately,
I have a good relationship with these people. I did
not go to the doctor and go on med with out telling
them about the change. mean while, life went on and
all of a sudden I am told that my behavior has changed.
I was unaware of it. It was very upsetting to learn
that you were being question of being on drugs. and
the only drug you are taking is doctor prescribed.Oh how does all the shit, Paxil, Wellbutrin react with
imitrex. I am a chronic migraine sufferer.Help is needed, Please let me know what you can do.
> > Anyone out there willing to help me put together a
> > class action lawsuit?
>
> If you are thinking of launching a law-suite, you may want to start with your prescribing physician.
>
> SmithKline Beecham, the drug manufacture, clearly states in its literature regarding Paxil (paroxetine) that a manic reaction is a possible side-effect.
>
>
> > I was not informed about the possibility of mania on SSRI's
> > I was out of control on Paxil, and did not know it.
> > Lost my job, and my fiancee due to my changed behavior
> > while on this drug. Lost innocence as well.
>
> Did you see a psychiatrist during this manic period? If so, how often or how many times did he see you while you were in this state? Actually, your description of your experiences seems more like hypomania (a less severe form of mania that still allows function, and at times, hyperfunction) rather than full-blown or psychotic mania. Diagnosing and recognizing depression is pretty easy. The patient complains that he/she feels like crap and that they may want to end it all. On the other hand, hypomania can be more difficult to identify. The patient will describe that everything is wonderfully great. If this hypomania occurs during treatment with antidepressants, it may look to both doctor and patient alike that this bright outlook is simply the clinical response expected. Additionally, a patient may behave differently during a doctor's visit in his office than they do outside the office. I think it might be a good idea for a psychiatrist to regularly screen for mania through interview as they do for depression.
>
> I just read an abstract that concluded that most psychiatrists are not trained well enough to recognize the milder forms of mania. This can lead to inadequate or harmful treatment.
>
> > Want my life back!!!!!
> > I deserved BETTER.
>
> Ditto.
>
> > Learning new facts everyday on the net. Lot's of people
> > like me. If you became destructive on an SSRI, I
> > would like to hear from you.
>
>
>
> - Scott
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