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Posted by wavs2u2 on November 29, 2000, at 9:17:58
I was hoping someone could offer me some advice. I have severe depression that only gets worse with time. It will occasianally lift for a short period if something new and exciting happens, like traveling across country ect....but always returns. I have racing thoughts, I worry constinly. I can see no good in the world. I see and feel doom. I am always thinking of what terrible bad things that can happen at any moment. Cancer,car wreaks, you name it I think of it. Its a chore to make myself get out of bed. Its a chore to do anything! On top of that I hurt all the time physically, which I have been to the doctor about that and she said stress is wearing my immune system down and also alot is psycsymatic or whatever. I want to feel better, I want to see the world as a adventure, or atleast be able to live without this feeling of doom! At times I hate life. The thing is I will not take anti depressents. I am scarred of them. I am scarred of alot of medicians. Therefore I cannot take meds a pdoc might give me to help these feelings. Is there anything natural that might help me? I have tried them meds and they make me think strangly (yes even more strange) I have MVP mitral valve prolapse which they say is a central nervous systme problem as well as the valve not closing all the way that goes into your heart which causes palpitations and chest pains (and is another reason I hate taking meds, they sometimes make my heart beat even weirder) I want to feel better! I get so down thinking I never will that I just want to give up. I have no options since I can't take any meds. Please if anyone has overcome depression in ways other than meds please tell me how.
Posted by Sigolene on November 29, 2000, at 11:17:06
In reply to Depression....Suicide, posted by wavs2u2 on November 29, 2000, at 9:17:58
I'm sorry but i think you definitly need medications. All medications are not bad. On the contrary, they make your neurons work correctly, which is not the case when you are depressed. You should tell your doctor what kind other health problems you have and he/she probably can give you the right med. for your case. Maybe, like a lot of people here, you will have to try different meds before finding the good one. But i can tell you it's worth trying. A psychological
treatment is not enough
Sigolène
> I was hoping someone could offer me some advice. I have severe depression that only gets worse with time. It will occasianally lift for a short period if something new and exciting happens, like traveling across country ect....but always returns. I have racing thoughts, I worry constinly. I can see no good in the world. I see and feel doom. I am always thinking of what terrible bad things that can happen at any moment. Cancer,car wreaks, you name it I think of it. Its a chore to make myself get out of bed. Its a chore to do anything! On top of that I hurt all the time physically, which I have been to the doctor about that and she said stress is wearing my immune system down and also alot is psycsymatic or whatever. I want to feel better, I want to see the world as a adventure, or atleast be able to live without this feeling of doom! At times I hate life. The thing is I will not take anti depressents. I am scarred of them. I am scarred of alot of medicians. Therefore I cannot take meds a pdoc might give me to help these feelings. Is there anything natural that might help me? I have tried them meds and they make me think strangly (yes even more strange) I have MVP mitral valve prolapse which they say is a central nervous systme problem as well as the valve not closing all the way that goes into your heart which causes palpitations and chest pains (and is another reason I hate taking meds, they sometimes make my heart beat even weirder) I want to feel better! I get so down thinking I never will that I just want to give up. I have no options since I can't take any meds. Please if anyone has overcome depression in ways other than meds please tell me how.
Posted by bissie66 on November 29, 2000, at 12:46:01
In reply to Depression....Suicide, posted by wavs2u2 on November 29, 2000, at 9:17:58
mindfulness meditation is the only thing, other than meds, that EVER helped my depression. are you a meditator? hang on, don't give up.
> I was hoping someone could offer me some advice. I have severe depression that only gets worse with time. It will occasianally lift for a short period if something new and exciting happens, like traveling across country ect....but always returns. I have racing thoughts, I worry constinly. I can see no good in the world. I see and feel doom. I am always thinking of what terrible bad things that can happen at any moment. Cancer,car wreaks, you name it I think of it. Its a chore to make myself get out of bed. Its a chore to do anything! On top of that I hurt all the time physically, which I have been to the doctor about that and she said stress is wearing my immune system down and also alot is psycsymatic or whatever. I want to feel better, I want to see the world as a adventure, or atleast be able to live without this feeling of doom! At times I hate life. The thing is I will not take anti depressents. I am scarred of them. I am scarred of alot of medicians. Therefore I cannot take meds a pdoc might give me to help these feelings. Is there anything natural that might help me? I have tried them meds and they make me think strangly (yes even more strange) I have MVP mitral valve prolapse which they say is a central nervous systme problem as well as the valve not closing all the way that goes into your heart which causes palpitations and chest pains (and is another reason I hate taking meds, they sometimes make my heart beat even weirder) I want to feel better! I get so down thinking I never will that I just want to give up. I have no options since I can't take any meds. Please if anyone has overcome depression in ways other than meds please tell me how.
Posted by natg on November 29, 2000, at 14:18:07
In reply to Re: Depression....Suicide, posted by bissie66 on November 29, 2000, at 12:46:01
Hello:
Wish I could tell you there was an easy way out of the pain you are feeling.
I struggled with the idea of taking Antidepressants for a long time. I tried several things before resorting to meds. ( Support groups, Religion, Yoga, Reiki, Mediatation, and a few other things) The result was good for a very brief moment until I would relapse into heavy depression.
For me, I've had to take medication to function and live a semi- happy life. It hasn't been easy and I still struggle on a daily basis but it is manageable.
I still attend support- groups, go to therapy and do yoga. For right here, right now, I need the meds. to do these things, and it is not a bad thing once you accept it and surrender. In fact, I'm very thankful for medication because I don't ever want to feel as depressed and hopeless as I used to feel.
My life is so much better today.I wish you all the best. Hang in there AND don't ever lose hope.
Nat
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> > I was hoping someone could offer me some advice. I have severe depression that only gets worse with time. It will occasianally lift for a short period if something new and exciting happens, like traveling across country ect....but always returns. I have racing thoughts, I worry constinly. I can see no good in the world. I see and feel doom. I am always thinking of what terrible bad things that can happen at any moment. Cancer,car wreaks, you name it I think of it. Its a chore to make myself get out of bed. Its a chore to do anything! On top of that I hurt all the time physically, which I have been to the doctor about that and she said stress is wearing my immune system down and also alot is psycsymatic or whatever. I want to feel better, I want to see the world as a adventure, or atleast be able to live without this feeling of doom! At times I hate life. The thing is I will not take anti depressents. I am scarred of them. I am scarred of alot of medicians. Therefore I cannot take meds a pdoc might give me to help these feelings. Is there anything natural that might help me? I have tried them meds and they make me think strangly (yes even more strange) I have MVP mitral valve prolapse which they say is a central nervous systme problem as well as the valve not closing all the way that goes into your heart which causes palpitations and chest pains (and is another reason I hate taking meds, they sometimes make my heart beat even weirder) I want to feel better! I get so down thinking I never will that I just want to give up. I have no options since I can't take any meds. Please if anyone has overcome depression in ways other than meds please tell me how.
Posted by Noa on November 30, 2000, at 7:31:59
In reply to Depression....Suicide, posted by wavs2u2 on November 29, 2000, at 9:17:58
Dear wavs,
You wrote:
> racing thoughts, I worry constinly....see and feel doom....always thinking of what terrible bad things that can happen
> I have MVP mitral valve prolapse which they say is a central nervous systme problem as well as the valve not closing all the way that goes into your heart which causes palpitations and chest pains.....Some thoughts:
--MVP causes palpitations.
--Palpitations are also a symptom of panic disorder.
--You also describe having feelings of doom and worry.
--I wonder if you have an anxiety disorder secondary to your MVP. If the MVP causes palpitations, this can make your body/mind believe you are anxious. The brain being what it is, fills in the "why" with all sorts of worried thoughts.
--OR, you might have an anxiety disorder alongside the MVP. Persistent anxiety can cause one to start to feel depressed, too.I wonder if a mind/body approach might help. The Anxiety and Phobia Workbook, by E. Bourne (see Dr. Bob's "Read!" page--link at top of this page) has a lot of ideas on how to treat anxiety symptoms.
I also believe that some of the relaxation training and meditation techniques used for anxiety disorders are also used with patients who have heart problems.
Learning to use these techniques is not hard, tho it does require consistency and practice practice practice. Perhaps there is a psychologist or behvioral medicine MD in your area who can help.
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