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Posted by LD on January 5, 2001, at 8:08:12
I used to take X occasionally before I started on antidepressants. A friend of mine is coming in town this weekend and offered me some. I've decided not to do it because i'm on 225 mg/day of Effexor. Question though - what IS the side effects of taking X with SSRIs?? or other ADs? I have heard that if you take it it wont work. Any other possible side effects of mixing?
Thanks for the input on a touchy subject.
Posted by Cam W. on January 5, 2001, at 10:32:48
In reply to Ectasy and SSRIs, posted by LD on January 5, 2001, at 8:08:12
LD - What, your middle initial isn't S?
Anyway, Celexa (citalopram, an SSRI) has been shown to decrease the psychedelic effects of MDMA while at the same time extending MDMA's effects. Taking a higher dose of MDMA is not recommended because of the effects on the heart (also seen in some patients taking Effexor). You will probably not overcome the dampening effects of the Effexor by increasing the dose, anyway.
Hope this helps - Cam
Posted by mr. man on January 5, 2001, at 12:25:44
In reply to Ectasy and SSRIs, posted by LD on January 5, 2001, at 8:08:12
exstacy can cause depression, it can permanently change the way your brain works, saying that you used to take x before you became depressed, thats interesting isnt it?
Posted by ben on January 5, 2001, at 14:46:43
In reply to Ectasy and SSRIs, posted by LD on January 5, 2001, at 8:08:12
> I used to take X occasionally before I started on antidepressants. A friend of mine is coming in town this weekend and offered me some. I've decided not to do it because i'm on 225 mg/day of Effexor. Question though - what IS the side effects of taking X with SSRIs?? or other ADs? I have heard that if you take it it wont work. Any other possible side effects of mixing?
>
> Thanks for the input on a touchy subject.Ectasy may destroy serotonin receptors what could lead to depression! So dont take any ectasy at all !!!
Posted by LD on January 6, 2001, at 16:56:45
In reply to Re: Ectasy and SSRIs, posted by Cam W. on January 5, 2001, at 10:32:48
> LD - What, your middle initial isn't S?
No, but that would be funny.Thanks Cam for you input.
Others- I know all this. I was depressed before I ever took E but i'm sure it didnt help.
Posted by stjames on January 8, 2001, at 2:46:20
In reply to Ectasy and SSRIs, posted by LD on January 5, 2001, at 8:08:12
> Thanks for the input on a touchy subject.
James here......
Short answer, negative implications are: seizure, seritonin syndrome, decrease of AD level.
In general all of this could apply to all the Phenethylamines, specifically MDA,MDE, MDMA (X, XTC,Ectasy), 2C-B,2C-T-2 and 3, DOB, DOM(STP),
amphepamine(s). Some AD's lower the convulsive threshold and if the dose is right,
could and do cause seizure. Many of these have some MAOI effect, so taking an AD is contraindicated, highly. AD's block some or all of the effects of MDMA (XTC). SS is a possibility because all of this class has significant effect on seritonin as does your AD. This class of drugs, if taken at a significant dose (basically receational dose)will effectivally antagonise the existing level of AD in your body. You go thru the same process as you did when you started taking you AD, generally it is a little shorter, like 4 weeks with somewhat better a 2 weeks. Even nondepressed people have a small depression a few days after taking XCT, ect. Without the help of your AD your depression could be significant.The good news is there is no proof of long term changes if you use this class of drugs. Short term studies do show changes. You have to consider who is funding the studies, the government, trying to win the "War on Drugs" with disinformation. Short term changes are expected, 1) Come on ! They took illicits, not candy. 2) anyone who took XTC will tell you it scrambles your brain for a few days after. Dr. Alexander Shulgin, The DEA's witness/ consultant and chemist, says MDMA is no more toxic than amphetamine. People have been taking MDMA for decades and amphetamine even longer. I took a lot of MDMA and MDA for three years
in the early 80's and am in contact with several friends from that era; none report problems. It did make my existing depression worse.Given this I cannot recommend doing X and taking AD's.
James
Posted by NikkiT2 on January 8, 2001, at 8:19:59
In reply to Ectasy and SSRIs, posted by LD on January 5, 2001, at 8:08:12
Um, I was gonna be anon, but hey, if people don't like me cos I what I'll write - sod em!!
Anyway, I used to take X very regularly, but now a days just take it every now and again when I'm out - mainly "special occasions"!! Anyway, I am on 300mg Effexor, and they still work fine for me. I went out New Years Eve and did some, and had one fo the best nights I ahve done for years!!
Not everybody is the same though, abnd I know people who x use has really increased / caused major depression.
Nikki
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