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Posted by Sanzio on March 11, 2001, at 6:53:24
The sun is shining. It is a new day. Ask yourself ho can I process myfeelings today. I believe that depression is a composite of unaddressed feelings. Fear anger resentment in collision. How can I clear and transform theses negative feelings sothat I have room for joy. We can process our feelings in several ways. 1.Talk to a friend 2. Keep a journal write your feelings out 3. Get up out that bed > Exercise. Clean the house. Brush your teeth. Move do not give in to depression. 4. Pray and ask the God of your understanding toremove the fear, the anger, the resentment. Believe it or not God will remove depression. 5. Do not be selfish and self centered today. Ask what can I do for someone else today? Then do it.
Posted by J on March 11, 2001, at 9:48:25
In reply to Pray and meditation not medication, posted by Sanzio on March 11, 2001, at 6:53:24
Have you ever suffered with serious depression Sanzio? I just ask because only a person who hasn't can offer advice like that.
Posted by JahL on March 11, 2001, at 10:06:10
In reply to Pray and meditation not medication, posted by Sanzio on March 11, 2001, at 6:53:24
> > The sun is shining. It is a new day. Ask yourself ho can I process myfeelings today. I believe that depression is a composite of unaddressed feelings. Fear anger resentment in collision. How can I clear and transform theses negative feelings sothat I have room for joy. We can process our feelings in several ways. 1.Talk to a friend 2. Keep a journal write your feelings out 3. Get up out that bed > Exercise. Clean the house. Brush your teeth. Move do not give in to depression. 4. Pray and ask the God of your understanding toremove the fear, the anger, the resentment. Believe it or not God will remove depression.
Like god, the possibility that depression can be resolved by paying greater attn to general & personal hygiene, does not exist.
Oh & I live in the UK where the sun never shines.
Posted by Miss Amy on March 11, 2001, at 10:21:34
In reply to Re: Pray and meditation not medication » Sanzio, posted by JahL on March 11, 2001, at 10:06:10
Good grief. Okay, sunshine, exercise, AND meditation don't hurt and are often included in the whole "road to well-being" package--they go hand in hand with medication. BUT, after resisting medication for 14 years, trying to "cure" myself with "happy thoughts", I was practically suicidal. You cannot go out and play in the sunshine when you feel like your world is crumbling and haven't the energy to get out of bed. I actually used to preach the same advice about the evils of medication, but I am much wiser now. For those of you discouraged by the first post of this thread......this person means well, but has NO clue.
Amy
P.S. I believe in God and his power to heal, but I also have to be realistic---perhaps he made me this way for a reason.
Posted by Miss Amy on March 11, 2001, at 10:31:26
In reply to Pray and meditation not medication, posted by Sanzio on March 11, 2001, at 6:53:24
" The sun is shining. It is a new day. Ask yourself ho can I process myfeelings today. I believe that depression is a composite of unaddressed feelings. Fear anger resentment in collision. How can I clear and transform theses negative feelings sothat I have room for joy. We can process our feelings in several ways. 1.Talk to a friend 2. Keep a journal write your feelings out 3. Get up out that bed > Exercise. Clean the house. Brush your teeth. Move do not give in to depression. 4. Pray and ask the God of your understanding toremove the fear, the anger, the resentment. Believe it or not God will remove depression. 5. Do not be selfish and self centered today. Ask what can I do for someone else today? Then do it."
In addendum to all this, eat right, take long hot baths, kiss your dog, do big Julie Andrews spins, dance like nobody's watching, and take your medication.
Posted by adams on March 11, 2001, at 12:43:05
In reply to Re: Pray and meditation not medication, posted by Miss Amy on March 11, 2001, at 10:31:26
I read this message board and it seems like medications usually provide temporary relief if any before they poop out. Life becomes a constant search for the magic happy pill that will change your life forever, and rarely does anyone ever find that pill. I know what your going to say, most people have success with medication and dont need to post on this message board, thats a nice theory but unproven. I am not totally against medication, but the pharmacutical drugs that we have to treat depression today just dont seem that good to me.
Posted by dj on March 11, 2001, at 12:51:03
In reply to Re: Pray and meditation not medication, posted by Miss Amy on March 11, 2001, at 10:21:34
> ...sunshine, exercise, AND meditation don't hurt and are often included ...with medication. BUT, after resisting medication for 14 years, trying to "cure" myself with "happy thoughts", I >was practically suicidal...
So what meds did you use and what difference did they make?
> P.S. I believe in God and his power to heal, but I also have to be realistic---perhaps he made >me this way for a reason.
Being realistic then, WHY would G. make anyone depressive and suicidal, if it is supposed to be a benevolent force??
a curious, dj...
Posted by Mr. Scott on March 11, 2001, at 14:12:00
In reply to Pray and meditation not medication, posted by Sanzio on March 11, 2001, at 6:54:27
> The sun is shining. It is a new day. Ask yourself ho can I process myfeelings today. I believe that depression is a composite of unaddressed feelings. Fear anger resentment in collision. How can I clear and transform theses negative feelings sothat I have room for joy. We can process our feelings in several ways. 1.Talk to a friend 2. Keep a journal write your feelings out 3. Get up out that bed > Exercise. Clean the house. Brush your teeth. Move do not give in to depression. 4. Pray and ask the God of your understanding toremove the fear, the anger, the resentment. Believe it or not God will remove depression. 5. Do not be selfish and self centered today. Ask what can I do for someone else today? Then do it.
Your attitude is harmful and therfore without merit.. But I do pray all the time.. for the FDA to lighten up and for some Genius to invent a cure.. Thanks for your thoughts though!
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 11, 2001, at 15:47:29
In reply to Pray and meditation not medication, posted by Sanzio on March 11, 2001, at 6:53:24
> The sun is shining. It is a new day. Ask yourself ho can I process myfeelings today...
This board is focused on medication, Psycho-Social-Babble is the place to discuss other approaches -- and God...
> this person means well, but has NO clue.And of course please try not to put down others, even if you disagree with them. Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Miss Amy on March 11, 2001, at 15:52:21
In reply to Re: Pray and meditation and medication? » Miss Amy, posted by dj on March 11, 2001, at 12:51:03
> > ...sunshine, exercise, AND meditation don't hurt and are often included ...with medication. BUT, after resisting medication for 14 years, trying to "cure" myself with "happy thoughts", I >was practically suicidal...
>
> So what meds did you use and what difference did they make?
>
> > P.S. I believe in God and his power to heal, but I also have to be realistic---perhaps he made >me this way for a reason.
>
> Being realistic then, WHY would G. make anyone depressive and suicidal, if it is supposed to be a benevolent force??
>
> a curious, dj...Hey Mr. DJ,
I started taking serzone last December. I still have ups and downs, but for the first time in years I am able to actually get really excited about things--kind of like how I felt when I was a little girl. I still have days when I hole up in bed and question my existance, but those are becoming less frequent. As far as my depression being for a reason, that is the only way I can rationalize it. I think EVERYTHING happens for a reason--call it karma--I don't know. This is just my way of coping, I am not saying it's the right affirmation for everyone. My depression is causing me to focus on my emotional issues and in the end will make me a better person. I am very sensitive to my surroundings (that is how I define panic disorder) and an older friend once told me that in the end, that is actually a blessing. It is difficult for me to feel blessed whilst in the throws of an anxiety attack, but i am learning to embrace and accept that part of me. To love that part of me--it is who I am. (instead of saying why Why WHY?? : )
I hope this babbling reply answered your question!
Amy
Posted by Miss Amy on March 11, 2001, at 15:59:02
In reply to Re: Pray and meditation not medication, posted by Mr. Scott on March 11, 2001, at 14:12:00
When I said "NO clue" I meant about depression and it's debilitating effects---I did not mean to attack you as a person, and if I offended you I am very sorry. Your intentions were good.
Last social babble to post under med section from me!...Sorry Dr. Bob! : )
Posted by blackjack on March 11, 2001, at 18:08:27
In reply to Re: Pray and meditation not medication, posted by adams on March 11, 2001, at 12:43:05
> I read this message board and it seems like medications usually provide temporary relief if any before they poop out. Life becomes a constant search for the magic happy pill that will change your life forever, and rarely does anyone ever find that pill. >
Actually, about 80% of people with depression find the right pill the first time out...
As far as the sunshine message goes, I always say "it's impossible to find your will to power when you can't even find your will to shower..."
Posted by Shooty on March 11, 2001, at 22:57:05
In reply to Re: Pray and meditation not medication, posted by blackjack on March 11, 2001, at 18:08:27
> As far as the sunshine message goes, I always say "it's impossible to find your will to power when you can't even find your will to shower..."
This is brilliant. I feel guilty about taking medication, I always thought they were a copout, I have friends who tell me how bad it is that we are all self-medicating into some kind of evil "happy" trance and I am also scared about being on what is, subtly, a powerful drug (Celexa) for what may be years (!).
BUUUUUUUT: Having fruitlessly fought self-destructive compulsive behavior for twenty years through therapy, exercise and pathetic attempts to wield "willpower," it was pointed out to me that the risks of medication may be outweighed by the risks of NOT-medicating. WHo knows. What I do know is that it seems to be helping so far (3 months) and the side effects like drowsiness in the afternoon if I sit still too long, delayed ejaculation, occasional word mixups -- saying pajamas instead of overalls, etc. -- are outweighed by the benefits: less shy, less anxious, less compulsive, more open, less submissive, more joyous...
I don't like being a guinea pig, but I also don't like beating up on myself throughout this one, too-short life.
Posted by BK on March 12, 2001, at 17:02:16
In reply to Pray and meditation not medication, posted by Sanzio on March 11, 2001, at 6:53:24
> The sun is shining. It is a new day. Ask yourself ho can I process myfeelings today. I believe that depression is a composite of unaddressed feelings. Fear anger resentment in collision. How can I clear and transform theses negative feelings sothat I have room for joy. We can process our feelings in several ways. 1.Talk to a friend 2. Keep a journal write your feelings out 3. Get up out that bed > Exercise. Clean the house. Brush your teeth. Move do not give in to depression. 4. Pray and ask the God of your understanding toremove the fear, the anger, the resentment. Believe it or not God will remove depression. 5. Do not be selfish and self centered today. Ask what can I do for someone else today? Then do it.
sanzio,Thanks for the tip - I cleaned my house and I feel so great that i no longer need meds! Who would've thought...
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 12, 2001, at 18:25:58
In reply to Re: Pray and meditation not medication, posted by BK on March 12, 2001, at 17:02:16
> Thanks for the tip - I cleaned my house and I feel so great that i no longer need meds! Who would've thought...
First, please stick to medication here. Second, please avoid sarcasm. Thanks,
Bob
PS: Follow-ups, if any, regarding this should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Posted by Shar on March 12, 2001, at 21:29:56
In reply to Re: Pray and meditation not medication, posted by adams on March 11, 2001, at 12:43:05
> I read this message board and it seems like medications usually provide temporary relief if any before they poop out. Life becomes a constant search for the magic happy pill that will change your life forever, and rarely does anyone ever find that pill.
Adams,
Is it safe to assume that you are depressed and choose not to take medications? If so, I'm curious about why you read this particular board. If you choose to answer, that is.Thanks,
Shar
Posted by adams on March 12, 2001, at 23:11:06
In reply to Curious » adams, posted by Shar on March 12, 2001, at 21:29:56
I am sorry I cant answer that question.
Posted by LG on March 15, 2001, at 18:12:31
In reply to Re: Pray and meditation and medication? *dj, posted by Miss Amy on March 11, 2001, at 15:52:21
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I think EVERYTHING happens for a reason--call it karma--I don't know. This is just my way of coping, I am not saying it's the right affirmation for everyone. My depression is causing me to focus on my emotional issues and in the end will make me a better person. I am very sensitive to my surroundings (that is how I define panic disorder) and an older friend once told me that in the end, that is actually a blessing. It is difficult for me to feel blessed whilst in the throws of an anxiety attack, but i am learning to embrace and accept that part of me. To love that part of me--it is who I am. (instead of saying why Why WHY?? : )
> I hope this babbling reply answered your question!
> AmyAmy,
I just want to say that your outlook on life is amazing. I too try to find the good in life's challenges and I feel this makes me stronger. I would love one day to think my panic disorder has actually served as a blessing to me in many cases. Thanks for your optimism! God bless you.
-LG
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