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Posted by cheetah on June 15, 2001, at 18:32:58
Have you realized that as long as you do a little research on symptoms of different "disorders", you can almost get any drug you want? After my "interview", I started thinking about this. Man, I could have gotten some heavy-duty drugs by just rattleing off certain symptoms. Think of it: there is no blood test to conclusively determine any ailment in particular, there is no physical examination, there are NO tests except for the verbal one. And I never lie, do you? I never exxagerate symptoms, do you? Yeah right! All I would have to do is look bummed out, mention hopelessness, and look like a puppy who has lost his mother. Ne c'est pas?
Posted by stjames on June 15, 2001, at 18:54:02
In reply to It's easy to fool a psychiatrist..., posted by cheetah on June 15, 2001, at 18:32:58
Only if your doc is a fool.
James
Posted by gheld on June 15, 2001, at 21:03:31
In reply to It's easy to fool a psychiatrist..., posted by cheetah on June 15, 2001, at 18:32:58
> Have you realized that as long as you do a little research on symptoms of different "disorders", you can almost get any drug you want? After my "interview", I started thinking about this. Man, I could have gotten some heavy-duty drugs by just rattleing off certain symptoms. Think of it: there is no blood test to conclusively determine any ailment in particular, there is no physical examination, there are NO tests except for the verbal one. And I never lie, do you? I never exxagerate symptoms, do you? Yeah right! All I would have to do is look bummed out, mention hopelessness, and look like a puppy who has lost his mother. Ne c'est pas?
And you would want some of these psychiatric drugs because???????
Posted by Elizabeth on June 15, 2001, at 22:35:50
In reply to Re: It's easy to fool a psychiatrist..., posted by gheld on June 15, 2001, at 21:03:31
> And you would want some of these psychiatric drugs because???????
I recommend ignoring "cheetah." S/he's just trying to incite flames, not to contribute anything helpful or supportive.
(Dr. Bob, I'm sorry if you feel that I'm being mean here, but I really believe that people shouldn't "feed the trolls.")
-elizabeth
Posted by yo-wazzzup on June 15, 2001, at 23:34:08
In reply to cheetah » gheld, posted by Elizabeth on June 15, 2001, at 22:35:50
> > And you would want some of these psychiatric drugs because???????
>
> I recommend ignoring "cheetah." S/he's just trying to incite flames, not to contribute anything helpful or supportive.
>
> (Dr. Bob, I'm sorry if you feel that I'm being mean here, but I really believe that people shouldn't "feed the trolls.")
>
> -elizabeth
You might be right 'Liz...but, let's suppose 4 one fraction of a second that Cheetah's actually stuck between a rock & a hard place? S/he's commited to following posts. Collecting info? Opinions? Challenging some of ours? Perhaps in serch of alternatives to knawing @ scabs/scars that used to be nails? After all, it wasn't that long ago that I had my head stuck in the sand re:meds. & mental illness. I'm still struggling with issues re:meds...this is the first time I've actually stuck it out (paxil for 7 months now) & I'm tapering off starting today b/c of terrible side effects. For years 'de'nial was not just a river in egypt... I was convinced 'I' was not a 'nut-bar' & I could deal with life on my own, with out mind altering 'band-aids', thank-you very much... I'm not sure how I survived some of my lowest points-by the grace of god? I know it can be better. I owe it to myself & my children to get help. I used to think I would be weak if I had to rely on docs or meds. I think that type of negative stigma is what holds many back from the help they deserve. Many are lost b/c of their own & others ignorance. I also have Asthma...if you reserch steroids used to treat asthma, you'll find they too play havok on my system. It's a catch 22-with out them, I'd be dead. Trust me on that one. I was stupid enough to refuse to take them b/c of what I'd researched & ended up hospitalized. I'd done more harm than good by avoiding treatment. I'd hurt my lungs & as a result have emphysema. Hind sight is 20/20. I'd rather risk side effects than have my children remember me as a rage-aholic or continuously crying @ the drop of a hat or suffering through frequent flash backs or terrified to open the curtains in my home or go outside or have panic attacks so extreme that I pass out or lay pathetically in bed for days @ a time,etc. LIFE IS FOR LIVING-NOT MERELY EXISTING!
Posted by Shar on June 15, 2001, at 23:38:58
In reply to cheetah » gheld, posted by Elizabeth on June 15, 2001, at 22:35:50
> > And you would want some of these psychiatric drugs because???????
Good question!
Maybe some people want to experience the thorazine shuffle first hand.
or have significant memory loss or cognitive disturbances, blurred vision,
or be sleepless/sleep too much
or have jerkiness/not have jerkiness
or have dry mouth/no dry mouth
or be constipated/have diarrhea
or .....what am I missing here
or have headaches/not have them
or increase eye pressures/not increase them
or overeat/undereatyou know, the side effects we experience/don't experience. I think under side effects it should just say "kitchen sink."
Shar
Posted by SalArmy4me on June 16, 2001, at 0:23:39
In reply to It's easy to fool a psychiatrist..., posted by cheetah on June 15, 2001, at 18:32:58
Even if you do manage to lie your way into getting a certain medication, you will only be able to put up with the side-effects from that drug if it really is for treating an illness. People who fake illnesses will simply not put up with Paxil's dry mouth, constipation, drowsiness, and sexual dysfunction if they really do not have an underlying illness needing treatment. Do you know what I mean?
Posted by kazoo on June 16, 2001, at 1:56:57
In reply to Re: It's easy to fool a psychiatrist..., posted by stjames on June 15, 2001, at 18:54:02
> Only if your doc is a fool.
>
> James^^^^^^^^
And / Or the patient is a bigger one.
kazoo
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 16, 2001, at 8:08:00
In reply to cheetah » gheld, posted by Elizabeth on June 15, 2001, at 22:35:50
> I recommend ignoring "cheetah." S/he's just trying to incite flames, not to contribute anything helpful or supportive.
>
> (Dr. Bob, I'm sorry if you feel that I'm being mean here, but I really believe that people shouldn't "feed the trolls.")I appreciate your efforts to guide others, it sure isn't easy. But I'm sorry, I don't want people to be called names here. I've warned you before, so now I'm going to try to block you from posting for a week.
Bob
PS: Follow-ups regarding civility should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration; otherwise, they may be deleted.
Posted by JAMMER on June 16, 2001, at 9:44:49
In reply to It's easy to fool a psychiatrist..., posted by cheetah on June 15, 2001, at 18:32:58
> Have you realized that as long as you do a little research on symptoms of different "disorders", you can almost get any drug you want? After my "interview", I started thinking about this. Man, I could have gotten some heavy-duty drugs by just rattleing off certain symptoms. Think of it: there is no blood test to conclusively determine any ailment in particular, there is no physical examination, there are NO tests except for the verbal one. And I never lie, do you? I never exxagerate symptoms, do you? Yeah right! All I would have to do is look bummed out, mention hopelessness, and look like a puppy who has lost his mother. Ne c'est pas?
Who are you really fooling???
Can this be concidered a path to self improvement through honestly identifying personal issues, and getting the proper Help???
Lies and deception I don't feel help at all. What is your motivation? Don't answer to me, answer for yourself...
-James
Posted by Jane D on June 16, 2001, at 19:36:40
In reply to It's easy to fool a psychiatrist..., posted by cheetah on June 15, 2001, at 18:32:58
> Have you realized that as long as you do a little research on symptoms of different "disorders", you can almost get any drug you want? After my "interview", I started thinking about this. Man, I could have gotten some heavy-duty drugs by just rattleing off certain symptoms. Think of it: there is no blood test to conclusively determine any ailment in particular, there is no physical examination, there are NO tests except for the verbal one. And I never lie, do you? I never exxagerate symptoms, do you? Yeah right! All I would have to do is look bummed out, mention hopelessness, and look like a puppy who has lost his mother. Ne c'est pas?
Cheetah-
Yeah. I had thoughts like that after the "interview" too. Scary isn't it. I think you have to take on more personal responsibility here than with any other kind of doctor and you have to do it when you're least able. Why lie? It's hard enought to make sure that you don't accidentally misunderstand each other. You have nothing but ambiguous words to describe your symptoms but the price of getting it wrong is very high. You can either end up with one of those "heavy duty" drugs that also has heavy duty side effects or you can do without the drug that you really do need and live with the misery of a heavy duty illness. It's so much easier to go in and say "My arm hurts - please X ray it".
Jane
Posted by stjames on June 17, 2001, at 19:12:33
In reply to Its far harder to tell the truth » cheetah, posted by Jane D on June 16, 2001, at 19:36:40
> Cheetah-
> Yeah. I had thoughts like that after the "interview" too. Scary isn't it. I think you have to take on more personal responsibility here than with any other kind of doctor and you have to do it when you're least able. Why lie? It's hard enought to make sure that you don't accidentally misunderstand each other. You have nothing but ambiguous words to describe your symptoms but the price of getting it wrong is very high. You can either end up with one of those "heavy duty" drugs that also has heavy duty side effects or you can do without the drug that you really do need and live with the misery of a heavy duty illness. It's so much easier to go in and say "My arm hurts - please X ray it".
> JaneJames here...
Good points ! It comes down to, do you want to get well or do you want to pay to play games ?
james
Posted by grapebubblegum on June 17, 2001, at 22:20:37
In reply to Re: Its far harder to tell the truth, posted by stjames on June 17, 2001, at 19:12:33
And are you making the pre-supposition that the drugs you may talk yourself into in a psychiatrist's office are "fun" drugs? I dunno about everyone else here, but I've never taken anything that was a "feel-good" drug, rather medications that alleviated whatever was ailing me at the time psychiatrically. Sort of like, if you take aspirin when you have no headache, would you feel victorious that you snuck an aspirin when you don't really need it? Would you feel better in any way? Or would your non-existent headache just still be a non-existent headache?
And also no one has mentioned this facet: you could do the same with any specialty of doctor. You could go to a gastroenterologist and describe an ulcer down to a T, based on textbook reading, and you might walk out of there with Rx ulcer medication. Would that make a different point than the one you are trying to make? "It's so easy to fool a gastroenterologist..."
I'm not trying to be a smart-aleck, at least not 100%; I just do not know exactly what the point is that you are making and how it differs from fooling a cardiologist into giving you heart meds or a dermatologist for prescribing you some Rx psoriasis cream for that matter.
Posted by sandhi on June 17, 2001, at 23:24:41
In reply to It's easy to fool a psychiatrist..., posted by cheetah on June 15, 2001, at 18:32:58
> Have you realized that as long as you do a little research on symptoms of different "disorders", you can almost get any drug you want? After my "interview", I started thinking about this. Man, I could have gotten some heavy-duty drugs by just rattleing off certain symptoms. Think of it: there is no blood test to conclusively determine any ailment in particular, there is no physical examination, there are NO tests except for the verbal one. And I never lie, do you? I never exxagerate symptoms, do you? Yeah right! All I would have to do is look bummed out, mention hopelessness, and look like a puppy who has lost his mother. Ne c'est pas?
SO WHAT'S THE POINT? THESE AREN'T RECREATIONAL DRUGS. sandhi
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