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Posted by katieb on May 2, 2002, at 0:08:29
there's something i've been wondering about for a long time - often times when i'm down (not in a deep depression though) i start to think "what's the big deal about someone killing themselves?" mostly just thinking that life is really tiring and it makes sense that some people just choose to end it. i never even think about really killing myself - these thoughts about how it might not be that big a deal just come into my head.
so, would this count as suicidal? does anyone else just get tired of dealing w/ everything - but are not in a deep depression? i'm also scared to talk about this w/ my therapist because she might think i'm more serious than i am.
thanks.
Posted by rainbowlight on May 2, 2002, at 0:29:40
In reply to is this suicidal?, posted by katieb on May 2, 2002, at 0:08:29
I think the same things sometimes. Sometimes it does seem like life is more trouble than it's worth. As far as are you suicidal, do you feel like "I wish I wasn't living, why am I here?, maybe I should just kill myself, what's the use?" I think those thoughts are very different in that you "personally" feel like you want to harm yourself. I also do understand why people choose to end their life, some people are in so much pain that they can no longer function, and I understand that pain. I think if you are worried that your thoughts may cause you to harm yourself you should seek help right away. Take care.
Posted by BarbaraCat on May 2, 2002, at 1:32:57
In reply to is this suicidal?, posted by katieb on May 2, 2002, at 0:08:29
Oh sure. There's many a time that life seems too screwed up and ridiculous and sad and I just don't wanna do it anymore. However, not wanting to live is very different from actively pursuing and planning to die. Also, there's a bit of fascination in the subject for many of us. As long as it stays away from being obsessive ruminating it's not particularly dangerous, but should be considered an indication of the state of depression. It's when taking action around it starts happening that help should definitely be sought.
My personal feeling about it is that I'd just have to come back and do the whole thing over again (and again and again until I got whatever it is that Life is trying to teach me) and it would probably be worse. That philosophy has prevented me from doing myself in when things got really dark and awful. Even tho' at the time it felt more like 'shit, there's NO escape'. - Barbara
> there's something i've been wondering about for a long time - often times when i'm down (not in a deep depression though) i start to think "what's the big deal about someone killing themselves?" mostly just thinking that life is really tiring and it makes sense that some people just choose to end it. i never even think about really killing myself - these thoughts about how it might not be that big a deal just come into my head.
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> so, would this count as suicidal? does anyone else just get tired of dealing w/ everything - but are not in a deep depression? i'm also scared to talk about this w/ my therapist because she might think i'm more serious than i am.
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> thanks.
Posted by ecuadoriang on May 2, 2002, at 11:22:58
In reply to is this suicidal?, posted by katieb on May 2, 2002, at 0:08:29
I understand what you're talking about. I used to have the same ideas, I just never valued a life as I "kind" of do now. I know it's not such a deal. But the idea of ending MY life also is as much as terrifing for me than living. So... what I'm trying to say here (I hope you understand, my first language is Spanish, not english, so i'm trying my best here!) is that there's a book I really like that may help you. The name of his book in spanish is VERONIKA DECIDE MORIR, and I guess the direct translation would be "Veronika decides to die" from Paulo Coelho. I know sometimes, we just wonder around the idea of dead without thinking about killing ourselves, but, I know it's not normal though to be thinking on that kind of things. I hope you're fealling better now! Tell me how u r doing ok???
Posted by n0matter on May 2, 2002, at 11:23:28
In reply to is this suicidal?, posted by katieb on May 2, 2002, at 0:08:29
I've thought about it many times. Almost as if it were a logical, rational solution to a problem, or multitude of problems rather. "Deal with all the crap and negativity in my life or kill myself?" Fortunately, I know I'm far too scared of death to go through with it. And so the idea effectively works against itself by helping to put the death vs. life conflict in perspective for me. Watch Girl Interrupted if you haven't already. The lead character(Wynona Ryder) follows the same pattern of thought.
Posted by ecuadoriang on May 2, 2002, at 11:27:29
In reply to Re: is this suicidal?, posted by n0matter on May 2, 2002, at 11:23:28
I really understand u on this one. That's exactly what I was trying to say. I'm glad I fear so much dead; that's the only reason why i'm still alive and trying to have a really nice time... wish me luck! and luck 2 u 2
> I've thought about it many times. Almost as if it were a logical, rational solution to a problem, or multitude of problems rather. "Deal with all the crap and negativity in my life or kill myself?" Fortunately, I know I'm far too scared of death to go through with it. And so the idea effectively works against itself by helping to put the death vs. life conflict in perspective for me. Watch Girl Interrupted if you haven't already. The lead character(Wynona Ryder) follows the same pattern of thought.
Posted by judy1 on May 2, 2002, at 12:04:05
In reply to is this suicidal?, posted by katieb on May 2, 2002, at 0:08:29
You may want to move this to PSB and get more support. Suicidal ideation is very common in depression and you should have no fears about discussing this with your therapist, I'm sure she/he has heard these feelings all the time. Take care- Judy
Posted by cmcdougall on May 2, 2002, at 12:10:56
In reply to is this suicidal?, posted by katieb on May 2, 2002, at 0:08:29
Sweet Katie,
This should probably be re-directed to PSB....
I truly believe that if people were totally honest, everyone would have to admit that they have contemplated the idea of suicide.
I have very strong spiritual beliefs, and I believe that our time on earth is transient and we are here to learn and then move along. Perhaps we come back here to keep learning, or maybe we go somewhere else.
I believe that I have the right to choose to take my own life if, for any reason, it becomes completely unbearable. What I have a real problem with is young people committing suicide (they need more time to really understand life) or someone who commits suicide w/ malice. For instance, a rebellious person who wants to punish his/her loved ones. I don't believe people should kill themselves out of weakness, either. There are plenty of people willing to lend their strength (like posters on this board) if one feels like they can't take anymore.
Suicide is ultimately a very selfish act. Sometimes circumstances justify being selfish, but it should not be at the expense of others, ie family and friends who would be tormented forever because of it.
So no matter how easy it would be to check out, I could never lay that burden on my children who will need me for a long time. And, I want to see my grandchildren and great-grandchildren. So, no matter how tempting the idea of "checking out" sometimes is, I have too much love to give. If anyone needs some, here you go... xxxooo And theres plenty more where that came from.
Love and luck,
Carly
Posted by BarbaraCat on May 2, 2002, at 13:16:06
In reply to Re: is this suicidal? - I don't think so..., posted by cmcdougall on May 2, 2002, at 12:10:56
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 2, 2002, at 17:07:15
In reply to Re: is this suicidal? - I don't think so..., posted by cmcdougall on May 2, 2002, at 12:10:56
> This should probably be re-directed to PSB....
Thanks! Here's a link to take you right there:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20020430/msgs/23014.html
Bob
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