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Posted by cubbybear on December 12, 2002, at 1:36:57
In reply to Re: Death caused by Lexapro--NO lab can test for it??? » djmmm, posted by jooneybuggy on December 11, 2002, at 22:51:17
It sounds very questionable that there is allegedly no lab in your state that can test for Lexapro. It almost sounds as if the coroner is looking out for the drug manufacturer, who will do anything to avoid having his product implicated in the tragedy.
Since Lexapro was more than likely a contributing factor, it must be noted on the death certificate, which would be an essential document for you to have, if you choose to pursue litigation. Since time is of the essence, you should contact a sympathetic attorney immediately who can take this matter into his hands on your behalf. Don't let yourself get railroaded by ignorant, incompetent, or greedy people. When folks like you are grieving and in shock, it's so easy to be conned, deceived, and exploited. My gut feeling is that you should focus on getting a competent attorney at once.
Posted by utopizen on December 12, 2002, at 2:26:50
In reply to Re: Death caused by Lexapro-- utopizen, posted by BekkaH on December 11, 2002, at 22:20:49
> The original poster should NOT contact the company. The analysis should be done by an INDEPENDENT, UNBIASED lab. The original poster should contact an attorney who can advise them at this difficult time, and I hope the attorney can help you follow djmmm's good advice.
>>>>>>>>.
Thank you for correcting me.Ussually I'm a very cynical person... I have no idea why this thought never crossed my mind.
Posted by djmmm on December 12, 2002, at 9:15:27
In reply to Re: Death caused by Lexapro--NO lab can test for it??? » djmmm, posted by jooneybuggy on December 11, 2002, at 22:51:17
What state are you in?
The s-isomer of Citalopram was developed by H. Lundbeck of Copenhagen
http://www.lundbeck.com/Sepraco in Marlborough, Mass does a lot of research and development with drug isomers
http://www.sepracor.com/Celgene also dose a lot of research and development with drug isomers http://www.celgene.com/
Posted by markmn on December 12, 2002, at 10:22:50
In reply to Re: Death caused by Lexapro--NO lab can test for it???, posted by djmmm on December 12, 2002, at 9:15:27
Hello, I hope you can find peace in this very troubling time jooneybuggy. You have my sympathy.
I am writing to request a little more information from you. Why do you think Lexapro was the cause of your daughter's death? You don't really specify your reasoning. I don't mean this to disrespect your opinion, you just need to realize there are thousands of people on Lexapro that look at this board everyday. To hear the Lexapro is killing people is pretty disconcerning. Therefore please provide as much back up to your claim as you can. Again, I'm not tryting to discredit you, I'm just trying to get myself as much info as possible before I freak out.
Thanks again, and please take care,
mark
Posted by jooneybuggy on December 13, 2002, at 10:37:22
In reply to Re: Death caused by Lexapro--NO lab can test for it???, posted by markmn on December 12, 2002, at 10:22:50
I understand the worry of some of the people who read this board, about my statement that Lexapro caused my daughters death,and that some of you are taking it, and that I am worrying you by saying this. My answer is this: I DON'T know--and that is my problem, I can't get answers--But all I do know leads me to beleive it played a big part. When our pathologist says they cannot test for this drug in this state, or the labs that they used, because they say it is so new--and then they tell us it has been involoved in 12 deaths in the 6 months it has been out--I need an exlanition--why can't they use the test for celexa
Posted by jooneybuggy on December 13, 2002, at 10:43:47
In reply to Re: Death caused by Lexapro--NO lab can test for it???, posted by markmn on December 12, 2002, at 10:22:50
continue-there are too many questions for me to dismiss this drug, I need explanitions, and a pervious poster gave me some place to check out about testing for Lexapro--Thanks to YOU-at this point I just want information before I go farther--We have one more meeting to attend, then I will talk with an attorney--If I find I am wrong, I will post it on this board IMMIDIATLY, with all my findings. Unitl then, I do beleive it played a part--and want people to know, and ask questions before they take this drug. IF it helps save one other person,--Thank the LORD
Posted by syringachalet on December 13, 2002, at 22:02:52
In reply to Death caused by Lexapro--NO lab can test for it???, posted by jooneybuggy on December 10, 2002, at 23:16:45
I am so sorry for the loss of your child.
I have no real words of comfort for you;
only you can know where you are at in your grieving process.
Please know that you have the thoughts and support of all here.You did mention that your daughter also had alcohol in her system at the time of her death. Im sure you know that most any of these SSRI or any anti depressant for that matter mixed with alcohol is a risk and discouraged by all the literature.
Again my thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family. syringachalet
Posted by jooneybuggy on December 14, 2002, at 18:52:26
In reply to Re: Death caused by Lexapro--NO lab can test for it???, posted by syringachalet on December 13, 2002, at 22:02:52
Hello again to all who have written to me, and to my last post from: syringachalet---your comment on the alchol is of course correct, and we know that it also was a part of the death. My main concern is that they knew all of these things, and prescribed this drug to her. The indications on drug insert, and information they did give to us says, use cautiouslly with alchol--But again, I want this drug Lexapro to be listed as well on her death certificate, as it was part of the combination---lethal. Thank you for your kind words, it is so hard loosing her. The panic attacks she had, were hard for me to understand, but very real to her, she was only 37years old--I pray constantly--my faith is hard to find, but I am searhing, and know God must have had a reason.She is at peace and we who are left must try to live without her--We put a grave blanket on her today. We lost her in October of this year.
Best of holidays to all.
jooneybuggy
Posted by markmn on December 16, 2002, at 9:33:44
In reply to Re: Death caused by Lexapro--NO lab can test for it???, posted by jooneybuggy on December 14, 2002, at 18:52:26
Take care joonebuggy
Posted by oracle on December 16, 2002, at 11:22:35
In reply to Death caused by Lexapro--NO lab can test for it???, posted by jooneybuggy on December 10, 2002, at 23:16:45
We know it was a contributing factor in her death,
I have been following this and I do not understand how you came to this absolute
conclusion. Could you explain your thinking ?
Posted by jooneybuggy on December 16, 2002, at 11:34:04
In reply to Re: Death caused by Lexapro--NO lab can test for it???, posted by oracle on December 16, 2002, at 11:22:35
> We know it was a contributing factor in her death,
>
> I have been following this and I do not understand how you came to this absolute
> conclusion. Could you explain your thinking ?Maybe I fail to make my point:why can they not test for it?--they told us it was documented that this drug was involved in 12 deaths, in the 6 plus months it has been out. As I have said, if I find out at any time I am not right in my thinking, I will post it here. I have said all along, I need answers, I need testing, They say they can't test for it--its too new--How did they have the documentation on the 12 deaths? I am not a person who understands all the scientific language, but plain spoken words I do--I have been told NOT to contact the drug makerm that they will not help, I don't know if thats true or not, I am going down all paths to find out, until then--IT is my strong belief, and others in the medical community here as well, that Lexapro played a big part in her death. Please take care-if I am wrong I will post it again and again. If I were any person that may think they will be on this drug,I would ask so many questions about this drug before I let them prescribe it to me
jooneybuggy
Posted by syringachalet on December 16, 2002, at 13:55:34
In reply to Re: Death caused by Lexapro--NO lab can test for it???, posted by jooneybuggy on December 16, 2002, at 11:34:04
joonebuggy,
Did you think that just maybe the reason that your medical examiner didnt list Lexapro as a possible cause of your daughters death was that that would open him professional scrutiny. That he would have to testify in court in a possible civil wrongfull death claim against the drug company?
Most ME in my area of the US dont have time or the staff to take time off to go to court to testify. Most are like cops who when they have to go to court to testify do NOT get to do it 'on company time'. Should they get subpoenaed, are compenstated a token amount from the court for their time away from their private lives and/or familys.
Should they have stepped forward and listed the Lexapro...probably so. Will they still do it still...doubtful.
Very sad but probably realistic...
syringachalet
Posted by oracle on December 16, 2002, at 14:54:40
In reply to Re: Death caused by Lexapro--NO lab can test for it???, posted by jooneybuggy on December 16, 2002, at 11:34:04
they told us it was documented that this drug was involved in 12 deaths,
You really have to take this case by case.
Many people kill themselves by taking all the pills in the house, so if Lexapro was one of them it would be listed.What bothers me, is that these is a sugestion
here that Lexapro by itself can kill. Consider
the others posters here, please. Making these claims without supporting evidence causes much consern. The parent compound for Lexapro has been on the market over 5 years, with no death causing problems.and others in the medical community here as well, that Lexapro played a big part in her death
If this is so, why can't you get in on the death certificate ?
Posted by jooneybuggy on December 16, 2002, at 14:59:03
In reply to Re: Death caused by Lexapro--NO lab can test for it???, posted by syringachalet on December 16, 2002, at 13:55:34
> joonebuggy,
>
> Did you think that just maybe the reason that your medical examiner didnt list Lexapro as a possible cause of your daughters death was that that would open him professional scrutiny. That he would have to testify in court in a possible civil wrongfull death claim against the drug company?
>
> Most ME in my area of the US dont have time or the staff to take time off to go to court to testify. Most are like cops who when they have to go to court to testify do NOT get to do it 'on company time'. Should they get subpoenaed, are compenstated a token amount from the court for their time away from their private lives and/or familys.
>
> Should they have stepped forward and listed the Lexapro...probably so. Will they still do it still...doubtful.
>
> Very sad but probably realistic...
>
> syringachaletHello again Syringachalet, I have indeed thought of all you said above, as well as the comment the ME made, when I complained because Lexapro was not listed on the autposy report--he said, "Well I don't think there is a cover up" I had not even thought that far--but I'm sure your statement is correct--its the greiving familys who are left with the questions. Whey they can't be of more help to us in finding a lab that can test? I have a call in to him now and awaiting his return.
Thanks for comments--again, I just want answers--at this point anyway, who knows what will come further down the road, maybe nothing, maybe something. But until we get a lab that will test-?? I have no closure( sorry for all my mispelled words)I went back to work last evening--and I work in that hospital, -still can't get any answers, you have to go to the right person, and I will find that person or place-if it takes forever-just to have it listed on her death certificate as it should be.
Jooneybuggy
Posted by oracle on December 16, 2002, at 15:20:54
In reply to Re: Death caused by Lexapro--NO lab can test for it???, posted by oracle on December 16, 2002, at 14:54:40
What is the coroner listing as the cause of death ?
What is the point of testing for Lexapro,
all this would seem to prove is that she was taking it, something that was well known.
Posted by jooneybuggy on December 16, 2002, at 15:34:11
In reply to Re: Death caused by Lexapro--NO lab can test for it??? (nm), posted by jooneybuggy on December 16, 2002, at 15:23:37
As I have said--and maybe one poster did not read all the posts I have written, THEY TELL US THERE IS NO TEST FOR LEXAPRO--IT IS TOO NEW--that is why it is not listed on the report or autopsy, but they do say there were so many of the tablets gone. They have told us IT IS DOCUMENTED LEXAPRO WAS INVOLVED IN 12 DEATHS since its release only 6 months or so ago. I ask, why can't they test for Celexa--the parent drug---No answer yet. As for why do I want it on the report--I have made that clear as well--It was there,it was a cause, and--it will bring closure for me.
I will not get into any arguments with people on here, and do not want to scare anyone, just want people to be aware and ask questions--Be safe.I know all situations are differant--I have a lot of issues I want answered, then I may be satisfied ---or not. But until they are answered, I DO NOT KNOW>
Please all have a safe and happy holiday, my prayers are with eveyone, even those who dissagree with me--we all have our own oponions.
jooneybuggy
Posted by oracle on December 16, 2002, at 16:17:23
In reply to Re: Death caused by Lexapro--NO lab can test for it???, posted by jooneybuggy on December 16, 2002, at 15:34:11
I have read all you have said. Just because there
have been 12 deaths assoc. with Lexapro (which means 12 people taking Lexapro died, but does not prove Lexapro caused the deaths) and your daughter
died while on Lexapro does not prove anything in respect to your daughter. This is quite a leap.Anyone can take an excessive dose of anything and die.
Posted by jooneybuggy on December 16, 2002, at 16:23:31
In reply to Re: Lexapro--NO lab can test for it???, posted by oracle on December 16, 2002, at 16:17:23
> I have read all you have said. Just because there
> have been 12 deaths assoc. with Lexapro (which means 12 people taking Lexapro died, but does not prove Lexapro caused the deaths) and your daughter
> died while on Lexapro does not prove anything in respect to your daughter. This is quite a leap.
>
> Anyone can take an excessive dose of anything and die.Oracle,
best to you this hoiliday season, as I said ,all I have been saying is my oponion,as well as fact, and in no way do I think its an unresonable-"leap" But eveyone is entitled to their own way of thinking. Our views are not the same, but thats ok--everyone has the right to what they think.
Posted by djmmm on December 16, 2002, at 19:10:10
In reply to Re: Lexapro--NO lab can test for it???, posted by oracle on December 16, 2002, at 15:20:54
The point of testing for Lexapro, is to determine the amount of Lexapro, and any metabolites in the blood.
It would be UNUSUAL if the medical examiner did not test for levels of ANY medication that was taken.
Celexa (racemic mixture) has been lnked to several deaths, as have most SSRIs..this isn't a statement against SSRIs, it is simply a fact.
These meds effect our entire body; sometimes we forget because we are so focused on our brain, and their effects within our brain. If you are a poor metabolizer (lack drug specific enzymes), have a heart condition, epilepsy, or are hypersensitive to the effects of serotonin (susceptible to serotonin syndrome), serious adverse events can happen, including death
Prozac:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1894590&dopt=Abstractpaxil
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9788532&dopt=Abstract
Posted by syringachalet on December 16, 2002, at 21:43:39
In reply to Re: Death caused by Lexapro--NO lab can test for it??? » syringachalet, posted by jooneybuggy on December 16, 2002, at 14:59:03
joonesbuggy, I hope you find that person who can give you the answers you need for that closure.
Most people I have known had to find closure from within. In the memories of the good time they had with that person; how her hair loked or how he laughed at your jokes.
I dont have to tell you that there is no one right way to grieve. Or that most males, by nature, grieve differently than most females.
Only you can know what is best for you at this time.Maybe for now, til you can find that piece of closure, you can remember those causes that were important to your daughter and volunteer some of your time there. What greater living legecy could she have?
Take care and know our thought are with you.
syringachalet
Posted by Simcha on December 17, 2002, at 0:58:11
In reply to Re: Death caused by Lexapro--NO lab can test for it???, posted by jooneybuggy on December 16, 2002, at 15:34:11
I'm sad to hear about your daughter, jooneybuggy.
I've been one of the skeptical ones where Lexapro is concerned. I'm on Celexa and it works for me just fine. It has not been shown to me that Lexapro is superior to Celexa in any way in my past six months of reading about its actual use in people.
Also, I will wait until it is proven to be better before forking out more money for Lexapro once Celexa's patent has expired and generic citalopram hits the market. I also want to see what this drug does to others well before I test it in myself. I am VERY cautious that way.
Well, I hope that you win your fight to have Lexapro listed on the Death Certificate. Any ethical ME would have included it in his/her report since there WAS Lexapro in her system whether or not it was a contributing factor in her death.
Take Care,
Simcha
Posted by jooneybuggy on December 17, 2002, at 7:56:32
In reply to Re: Death caused by Lexapro--This is why I wait..., posted by Simcha on December 17, 2002, at 0:58:11
> I'm sad to hear about your daughter, jooneybuggy.
>
> I've been one of the skeptical ones where Lexapro is concerned. I'm on Celexa and it works for me just fine. It has not been shown to me that Lexapro is superior to Celexa in any way in my past six months of reading about its actual use in people.
>
> Also, I will wait until it is proven to be better before forking out more money for Lexapro once Celexa's patent has expired and generic citalopram hits the market. I also want to see what this drug does to others well before I test it in myself. I am VERY cautious that way.
>
> Well, I hope that you win your fight to have Lexapro listed on the Death Certificate. Any ethical ME would have included it in his/her report since there WAS Lexapro in her system whether or not it was a contributing factor in her death.
>
> Take Care,
> SimchaThank you for your post Simcha, it sounds as if you understand exactally how I feel and what I want. The name of the game is money,for these drug companies--all of them~ and I know it-they want the big money for a new drug once the patent runs out on a similar one. What I want would not cost them anything, and that is: truth --just list it, or give me help in finding a lab that can test for it, so they can follow the proceedures they say they have to have before listing it. Still no help from them. Be safe, and have a good holiday season.
jooneybuggy
Posted by EGR on December 23, 2002, at 23:48:11
In reply to Death caused by Lexapro--NO lab can test for it???, posted by jooneybuggy on December 10, 2002, at 23:16:45
My condolences on the loss of your daughter. Allow Jesus to fill that hole in your heart.
Posted by jooneybuggy on December 25, 2002, at 3:46:00
In reply to Re: Death caused by Lexapro--NO lab can test for it??? » jooneybuggy, posted by EGR on December 23, 2002, at 23:48:11
Thanks to the wonderful advice, I am trying my best to lean on the Lord, and it helps, but at times I just have these feelings of being cheated of a wonderful loveing, giving, gentle person who would help anyone with her last resoars. Much kinder person than her MOther(me) At the time of the robbery she was so panicy and scared, but I was so mad, and just not affected as she was, but then I have lived longer, and see the underbelly of our fellow man. Our business is one that attracts some of those, as well as very nice people. We own a pawn shop.
Happy Holidays, and thank you, I'm doing my best to get tru these holidays.
jooneybuggy
Posted by EGR on December 25, 2002, at 13:58:38
In reply to Re: Death caused by Lexapro--NO lab can test for it??? » EGR, posted by jooneybuggy on December 25, 2002, at 3:46:00
Christmas Greetings Jooneybuggy... You were cheated. How long ago did the robbery happen? Was it before or after she started taking Lexapro? I really care about you.
EGR
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