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Posted by bluedog on December 17, 2002, at 13:46:01
In reply to Re: Fish oil - insomnia, vivid dreams and agitation!! » bluedog, posted by ShelliR on December 17, 2002, at 13:00:04
> Bluefish
> And the winner is..............> You definitely win the award for writing the most readable posts--best graphic presentation of answers to fish oil questions!
>
Why thank you ShelliMaybe I should have made my posting name Bluefish rather than Bluedog seeing as I actually am a fish (Pisces)
I wish you all the best
Bluefishydoggy
Posted by ShelliR on December 17, 2002, at 20:53:02
In reply to maybe it's the dosage?, posted by BeardedLady on December 17, 2002, at 13:01:35
> I wonder, though, how many people would be agitated or anxious taking the recommended dosage.
>
> In the studies that showed effective relief from depression and insomnia when combined with anti-depressants, the dose was a gram a day.
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> Maybe folks are trying to use the fish-oil supplement as a drug instead of a nutritional additive, and that's where it gets them into trouble?
>Well, you're probably right in that the more you take, the more side effects you have the potential to experience. And I am taking it, hoping for anti-depressant effects. But I'm just taking the recommended dose that the manufacturer has on the label; they even add that "some people may achieve additional benefits with a higher level of supplementation".
It's really amazing how different our bodies react to things. About two years ago I was given provigal to try for its anti-depressant effects. The drug was manufactured, tested, and is now distributed for control of narcolepsy. From day one after I started it, I spent the next two weeks doing nothing but sleep--all day and all night long.
Shelli
Posted by bluedog on December 17, 2002, at 22:58:47
In reply to Re: maybe it's the dosage? » BeardedLady, posted by ShelliR on December 17, 2002, at 20:53:02
Hi again Shelli... I'm hoping that Larry Hoover will be able to provide some further input into my following post but until then here is my response:-
==================================================================================================> > In the studies that showed effective relief from depression and insomnia when combined with anti-depressants, the dose was a gram a day.
The studies actually showed relief from depression on one gram of EPA per day. With my supplements that means I actually need to take 5 grams of fish oil supplements per day to get my one gram of EPA
==================================================================================================> > Maybe folks are trying to use the fish-oil supplement as a drug instead of a nutritional additive, and that's where it gets them into trouble?
Food and drugs are VERY closely related to eachother especially when you are talking about natural "drugs". In fact food does not behave any differently in our system as drugs. After all food contains molecules and drugs also contain molecules and the human body does not really know the difference and simply deals with molecules as and when they enter the system.
Now my opinion is that maybe people are using fish oils as a drug but I have very grave doubts about this view. I believe that taking 5 grams of fish oil supplements per day is actually a PURE food use of this substance. The reason I say this is because of the terribly unhealthy ratio of Omega-6 to Omega-3 EFA's that almost every person in western society has developed. This unhealthy ratio has only developed since the advent of the food processing industry and the discovery of hydrogenisation to extend the shelf life of otherwise healthy fats and oils (increasing profits for the food companies). The amounts of omega-3 that was naturally found in many foods in the past (like beef and eggs) is practically non-existent nowadays and our consumption of omega-6 EFA's is at a level that is unprecedented in the entire history of human civilisation. Plus the food proceesing industry has brainwashed an entire generation of consumers into believing that the enemies of a healthy diet were saturated fats and cholestorol and have actively suppressed all research and studies that have shown that it is the products that they were selling us that were the real culprit in the general decline in health and increased rates of obesity and depression in recent generations. I would highly recommend that you read studies by Mary Enig (unsure if I've spelt the name correctly) to learn the truth about fats and oils including th omega-3 and omega-6 EFA's
By reducing consumption of omega-6, vegetable oils, trans-fatty acids and partially hydrogenated fats and oils and by SUBSTANTIALLY increasing Omega-3 consumption either throuh eating fish or by supplementation we are merely altering our diet and balancing the ratio of omega-3 to omega-6 EFA's closer to the state that nature intended for us (and was eaten by our ancestors).
By the way 5 grams of fish oil supplements is nothing compared to the Eskimos who consumed 14-18 grams of fish oil per day in their traditional diets and the incidence of heart disease, arthhritis and other joint diseases and depression is extremely low in traditional eskimo populations.
==================================================================================================> Well, you're probably right in that the more you take, the more side effects you have the potential to experience. And I am taking it, hoping for anti-depressant effects. But I'm just taking the recommended dose that the manufacturer has on the label; they even add that "some people may achieve additional benefits with a higher level of supplementation".
I honestly believe that you will not create problems with your current useage of the fish oil supplements. However if after you've given the supplements a decent trial ONLY then should you conclude whether they are right for you or not. I can't emphasize enough to build up your dose very slowly. There is a scientific reason for this and it take a long time for your body to re-balance itself. Larry Hoover expalined the dynamics behind this in one of his previous posts but I can't seem to find it at the moment
==================================================================================================Anyway that's me done again
warms regards
bluedog
Posted by BeardedLady on December 18, 2002, at 7:01:16
In reply to Fish oil is not a drug? - LARRY HOOVER » ShelliR, posted by bluedog on December 17, 2002, at 22:58:47
I think your message was for me (and Larry), since I was the one whose post you responded to.
Yes, one gram of EPA. That's right. (My fish oil has EPA and something else--too lazy to look--that equals a gram of EPA when you take two.) Sorry I wasn't clear. It's confusing to me anyhow.
The Zone books all treat food like a drug, which really turns me off, as I like food and would rather enjoy it than it it as if I were simply filling my tank or tanking my meds.
My only comment is that Eskimos are accustomed to eating that much fish and actually need the fat to help them through the winter months (I wonder if they have a lower incidence of depression--whether the fish oil makes up for the darkness-induced SAD that so many of us experience where it isn't nearly as dark!).
But, thrust into that lifestyle, we wouldn't fare so well. We don't have the evolution of our ancestors on our side.
I do believe that immersing yourself in the ways of another culture isn't necessarily a good thing for your own body, in that your body and those of your family members and associates are simply unaccustomed to those changes. Not that you wouldn't, in time, adapt.
It's morning, and I'm not yet awake. I'm sure this post was incoherent.
That said, I have been taking my fish oil twice a day for the last few days, and I sleep so hard and so long that I have trouble waking after 9.5 hours! (I have not had the need for an Ativan, and I have reduced my Serzone dose again!)
beardy
Posted by BeardedLady on December 18, 2002, at 7:06:56
In reply to Re: maybe it's the dosage? » BeardedLady, posted by ShelliR on December 17, 2002, at 20:53:02
Our bodies are different and weird. And so are our minds.
My pdoc recommended Gabitril for sleep and anxiety, and I was so anxious twenty minutes after I took it that I didn't sleep all night.
I took it a few more nights and gave up, as I felt icky the whole time.
BUT I still wonder whether it was the Gabitril or my brain. I was clearly nervous about starting a new drug, and if my own body MADE me have that side effect, I would've had it every day just from sheer expectation.
It's hard to give up those expectations.
Shelley--I had a new Serzone prescription filled. The first night I took it, I couldn't fall asleep for three hours (until I took an Ativan). Why? Because it was a new prescription, and I was thinking about whether it had expired or the drugs were bad or whatever--it happens whenever I start a new size of pill! How stupid.
Well, good luck with your fish oil tinkering. I hope it works for you. I think it does for me. Hard to tell if it's fish oil or better life conditions.
Just like it's hard to tell if the team won because you're wearing your lucky underwear!
beardy
Posted by bluedog on December 18, 2002, at 10:17:50
In reply to Re: Fish oil is not a drug? - LARRY HOOVER » bluedog, posted by BeardedLady on December 18, 2002, at 7:01:16
> I think your message was for me (and Larry), since I was the one whose post you responded to.
Hi Beardy, I haven't seen many posts from you lately. I'm Glad to see you are still around and I hope you are starting to feel a little bit better since you lost your "little furry boy".
Yes you are right that this post was also directed at you. You'll have to forgive me because I'm also not thinking straight at the moment and my posts are also not particularly coherent. I generally need to check my posts at least ten times to check for spelling and grammar mistakes to get things at least half right and am not coping well at the current time. I returned to work on Monday after 4 months of sick leave and since returning to work I have suddenly become severely depressed again. I hope this is only a temporary thing and that my mood will soon stabilise again.
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> Yes, one gram of EPA. That's right. (My fish oil has EPA and something else--too lazy to look--that equals a gram of EPA when you take two.) Sorry I wasn't clear. It's confusing to me anyhow.I wasn't correcting you on that point but was relaying my personal doseages for Shelli. I hope you didn't feel I was being pedantic or anything like that because that was not my intention.
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> The Zone books all treat food like a drug, which really turns me off, as I like food and would rather enjoy it than it it as if I were simply filling my tank or tanking my meds.I HATE all books like the Zone diet books and the Atkins diet books etc. I think you can extract SOME useful information from these books but if you follow them religiously your life becomes a living hell filled with guilt and anxiety about what you eat. I mean in the Zone diet if you even so much as look at a banana you will be condemned to metabolic damnation and the fires of hell will consume your entire being.
I also believe food ought to be enjoyed and should be a pleasurable experience. What I was trying to say in my post was that from a purely bio-chemical perspective the body simply sees a molecule as a molecule and therefore to REDUCE the stress and anxiety that you can put yourself through you shouldn't make too big a deal between "real" food and dietary supplements. What I was trying to say is that fish oil supplements can actually be classed as "real" food and that it can form part of a healthy balanced diet where you can have a bit of everything in moderation (including Coke, chocalate, potato chips(crisps), french fries beer and pizza)
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> My only comment is that Eskimos are accustomed to eating that much fish and actually need the fat to help them through the winter months (I wonder if they have a lower incidence of depression--whether the fish oil makes up for the darkness-induced SAD that so many of us experience where it isn't nearly as dark!).I did make the point that I only consume 5 grams of fish oil compared to the eskimos 18 grams of fish oil daily. I agree that their environment necessitates such a high consumption but I am in no way saying that us westerners should consume that much omega-3 EFA's. I am proposing that we bring the amount of omega -3 consumption up to healthier levels that probably existed in earlier generations in the regions that most of us live in.
==================================================================================================> But, thrust into that lifestyle, we wouldn't fare so well. We don't have the evolution of our ancestors on our side.
When I talked about our ancestors I was not talking about our ancient ancestors but was actually talking about our grandparents from only a few generations ago who had a much healthier omega-3 to omega-6 ratio than the current crop of "baby-boomers" and their children. {I suppose that means US :) :) }
I was trying to emphasize that since the advent of the food processing industry (probably only since the last fifty years) that our consumption of omega-6 has risen exponentially and our consumption of omega-3 has dropped substantially. This has lead to problems in our societies health overall state of health (cardiovascular health, joint and tissue health and mental health) given our CURRENT evolutionary makeup and that this balance can be redressed by minimising the types of fats we currently eat too much of (mainly processed and hydrogenated vegetable oils) and by taking more omega-3 in the form of supplements because there are so few good natural sources of omega-3 left. In my grandfathers youth even the beef had quite good levels of omega-3 and margarine was not even invented yet.I again emphasise that you take some time to study the research and writings of Mary Enig Phd who is an absolute guru on this topic and has been a lone voice against the power of the food processing industry for over 20 years
==================================================================================================> I do believe that immersing yourself in the ways of another culture isn't necessarily a good thing for your own body, in that your body and those of your family members and associates are simply unaccustomed to those changes. Not that you wouldn't, in time, adapt.
I believe we can learn alot from other cultures and have the option nowadays to pick and choose the good parts from the diets of other cultures and incorporate it into our own diets. I strongly believe that we are heading more and more towards an inter-mingling of dietary cultures and are heading towards what I would term a "world cuisine"
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> It's morning, and I'm not yet awake. I'm sure this post was incoherent.I know exactly what that is like :) but your post did however make lots of sense to me.
keep well Beardy
warm regards
bluedog
Posted by BeardedLady on December 18, 2002, at 12:44:39
In reply to Re: Fish oil is not a drug? - LARRY HOOVER » BeardedLady, posted by bluedog on December 18, 2002, at 10:17:50
> Hi Beardy, I haven't seen many posts from you lately. I'm Glad to see you are still around and I hope you are starting to feel a little bit better since you lost your "little furry boy".
Yes, a little bit better, thanks!
> Yes you are right that this post was also directed at you. You'll have to forgive me because I'm also not thinking straight at the moment and my posts are also not particularly coherent. I generally need to check my posts at least ten times to check for spelling and grammar mistakes to get things at least half right and am not coping well at the current time. I returned to work on Monday after 4 months of sick leave and since returning to work I have suddenly become severely depressed again. I hope this is only a temporary thing and that my mood will soon stabilise again.
I just got back from my therapist's office. He was happy to see my funk had ended and thought I was particularly up today. He asked me before I left what I've learned about these episodes, and I told him that I learned they come but they also go, and they just have to play themselves out. And if I get another, I need to just go with the flow, pamper myself, excuse myself a little, and get done what needs doing.
I think we all have to start thinking of every state as temporary. That means reveling in our joyous times and waiting out the dark times. I hope yours goes by quickly.
> I wasn't correcting you on that point but was relaying my personal doseages for Shelli. I hope you didn't feel I was being pedantic or anything like that because that was not my intention.
No way. Nothing like that. I was just wondering if people were taking too much too soon. I'm afraid of anything that comes in pill form (in the olden days, I took drugs I didn't recognize--without fear; these days, I worry about my immortality), so I take the smallest dose for a few days and work up to a bigger one.
I was just commenting that you were right; I forgot about the EPA distinction because I'd read it so long ago.
> I HATE all books like the Zone diet books and the Atkins diet books etc. I think you can extract SOME useful information from these books but if you follow them religiously your life becomes a living hell filled with guilt and anxiety about what you eat. I mean in the Zone diet if you even so much as look at a banana you will be condemned to metabolic damnation and the fires of hell will consume your entire being.
Yes, Zone has that tendency. He's a food nazi, that guy. I'm still thinking about Adkins. I think there's a happy medium, but I want to read his book. I never got around to it the first go round.
> I did make the point that I only consume 5 grams of fish oil compared to the eskimos 18 grams of fish oil daily. I agree that their environment necessitates such a high consumption but I am in no way saying that us westerners should consume that much omega-3 EFA's. I am proposing that we bring the amount of omega -3 consumption up to healthier levels that probably existed in earlier generations in the regions that most of us live in.
Yes, you're probably right.
> When I talked about our ancestors I was not talking about our ancient ancestors but was actually talking about our grandparents from only a few generations ago who had a much healthier omega-3 to omega-6 ratio than the current crop of "baby-boomers" and their children. {I suppose that means US :) :) }Me too. But I hadn't seen your ancestors comment, so I wasn't responding to it. We are like two trains on parallel tracks!
> I was trying to emphasize that since the advent of the food processing industry (probably only since the last fifty years) that our consumption of omega-6 has risen exponentially and our consumption of omega-3 has dropped substantially. This has lead to problems in our societies health overall state of health (cardiovascular health, joint and tissue health and mental health) given our CURRENT evolutionary makeup and that this balance can be redressed by minimising the types of fats we currently eat too much of (mainly processed and hydrogenated vegetable oils) and by taking more omega-3 in the form of supplements because there are so few good natural sources of omega-3 left. In my grandfathers youth even the beef had quite good levels of omega-3 and margarine was not even invented yet.
Yes, yes, yes. And note that since the FDA has begun allowing preservatives, it takes (I don't know the statistic her, but it's a big 'un) much longer for our bodies to decompose.
> I again emphasise that you take some time to study the research and writings of Mary Enig Phd who is an absolute guru on this topic and has been a lone voice against the power of the food processing industry for over 20 years
I'll look into her.
> I believe we can learn alot from other cultures and have the option nowadays to pick and choose the good parts from the diets of other cultures and incorporate it into our own diets. I strongly believe that we are heading more and more towards an inter-mingling of dietary cultures and are heading towards what I would term a "world cuisine"
That's how I do religion. Woiks fo' me.
Nice chattin' wif you. Woof woof.
beardy
Posted by bluedog on December 18, 2002, at 13:19:51
In reply to stop making sense » bluedog, posted by BeardedLady on December 18, 2002, at 12:44:39
woof woof - I'm glad to see your feeling a bit more up again. Really nice talking to you again
I'm going to bed now. Since I've returned to work and slipped back into depression my sleep hygiene has basically gone "up the creek (or is it "down the creek") without a paddle. It's 3.00am where I live but I'm wide awake!!! and I have to somehow get up for work in a few hours. I already know my alarm is going to create a crisis in my system in a few hours time.
So I'm now officially signing off for the night (sorry, I meant morning) and ooil talk to you when I return to the land of the waking AND the living (because I'm a zombie and a member of the walking dead during my waking hours at the moment due to this pesky depression that plagues me!) but I'm hoping this is simply an adjustment phase to being back at work and I will experience joy again soon!!!
I never realized just HOW uplifting this message board can be until now and that supportive posts definitely do help when your experiencing trouble in your mind :)
see ya Beardy
warm regards
bluedog
Posted by BeardedLady on December 18, 2002, at 15:01:05
In reply to Re: stop making sense » BeardedLady, posted by bluedog on December 18, 2002, at 13:19:51
Posted by oracle on December 19, 2002, at 0:25:24
In reply to Re: Fish oil is not a drug? - LARRY HOOVER » BeardedLady, posted by bluedog on December 18, 2002, at 10:17:50
Posted by linkadge on December 19, 2002, at 11:08:55
In reply to Fish oil isn't a drug? Everything taken is a drug (nm), posted by oracle on December 19, 2002, at 0:25:24
I am taking 6 g of standard fish oil,
I have noticed a few good things.
It seems to really help with the Celexa
apathy. I didn't notice at first, but then
I was watching star wars on TV, and I
couldn't believe it, I was interested in
it, it wasn't like, oh it's just a movie.I have also noticed that colors are deeper
and ritcher, and the dirty winter snow
doesn't look quite so depressing and ugly.Linkadge
Posted by ShelliR on December 19, 2002, at 14:31:52
In reply to Re: stop making sense » BeardedLady, posted by bluedog on December 18, 2002, at 13:19:51
I just remembered that blue fish is the name of
of brand of casual (but expensive) clothing that I think is manufactured in Taos, New Mexico. (They also carry it at a little store near me--on the east coast)Shelli
Posted by BeardedLady on December 19, 2002, at 15:43:51
In reply to Trivia » bluedog, posted by ShelliR on December 19, 2002, at 14:31:52
Posted by ShelliR on December 19, 2002, at 18:24:24
In reply to Is it kinda like Fresh Produce clothing? (nm) » ShelliR, posted by BeardedLady on December 19, 2002, at 15:43:51
Posted by bluedog on December 19, 2002, at 23:32:28
In reply to Trivia » bluedog, posted by ShelliR on December 19, 2002, at 14:31:52
I haven't heard of the clothing but I like the name.
It's the sort of name that they would give to surfwear here in Australia!!!
That's where I'm from Beardy, Singapore was a good guess though!!!!!
keep well all
bluedog
Posted by HannahBeGood on December 20, 2002, at 3:01:46
In reply to Re: Trivia - Beardy and » ShelliR, posted by bluedog on December 19, 2002, at 23:32:28
Hate to butt in, I know nothing about supplements, and I'm new here (posting that is, been reading for sev'l years).But, Blue dog , are you aware of the now-famous contemporary 'bluedog' paintings by a fellow out of New Orleans? I'ved often wondered if your name is some sort of reference to his art. I lived in N.O. in the mid-eighties and they were beginning to catch on then. N.O. has lots of galleries and by the time I moved, 'buedog' had become ubiquitous, at least in lower La. and he also went national turning up in mag ads now and then. Did he do a Smirnoff vodka print in their artist series? I'm not sure~Just babbling, oh, and to make this post subject-appropriate, how can you who take handfulls of supplements daily do it? I mean swallow all those capsules and orbs, etc. My mom-in-law takes, I think, 17 Shaklee vits/minerals, etc., every a.m. I have trouble getting Darvocet or Soma down, along with the 4 other meds I take daily. If I remember my multiple, b12 and E, it's a red-letter day for me. And I MUST eat something after swallowing almost any pill, lg. or small, or it sticks in my throat. Liquids just don't cut it.
p.s. If you're not familiar with the 'bluedog' artist, I'll try to find a graphic on the web.
Posted by bluedog on December 20, 2002, at 3:32:56
In reply to Re: More Trivia - Beardy,Shelli,and Bluedog » bluedog, posted by HannahBeGood on December 20, 2002, at 3:01:46
> But, Blue dog , are you aware of the now-famous contemporary 'bluedog' paintings by a fellow out of New Orleans? I'ved often wondered if your name is some sort of reference to his art. I lived in N.O. in the mid-eighties and they were beginning to catch on then. N.O. has lots of galleries and by the time I moved, 'buedog' had become ubiquitous, at least in lower La. and he also went national turning up in mag ads now and then. Did he do a Smirnoff vodka print in their artist series? I'm not sure~Just babbling.
No I'm not familiar with this art at all and my posting name is not related to this. Heres a link to the story behind my posting name. see http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20021206/msgs/33214.html
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> p.s. If you're not familiar with the 'bluedog' artist, I'll try to find a graphic on the web.I'd love a link to a graphic on the web if you can find one :) :).
==================================================================================================>Oh, and to make this post subject-appropriate, how can you who take handfulls of supplements daily do it? I mean swallow all those capsules and orbs, etc. My mom-in-law takes, I think, 17 Shaklee vits/minerals, etc., every a.m. I have trouble getting Darvocet or Soma down, along with the 4 other meds I take daily. If I remember my multiple, b12 and E, it's a red-letter day for me. And I MUST eat something after swallowing almost any pill, lg. or small, or it sticks in my throat. Liquids just don't cut it.
Alright, in order to avoid being sanctioned by Dr Bob for innapropriate posts on the med board I can tell you the following:-
1.I always take my supplements with food. (except for my L-Tyrosine and DLPA supplements wich should be taken on their own half an hour before food)
2.If they are water soluble (my L-Tyr and DLPA supps are water soluble and I find it doesn't upset my tummy this way either) I will actually dissolve my supplements in a glass of water to make it easier for me to take.
3. I am currently in the process of rationalising my supp regime to try and minimize the number of pills I take each day.
4.For all my pills and capsules but especially those big hard to swallow pills I actually first take a mouthful of water, then I slip the pill into my mouth (through tightly closed lips so the water doesn't dribble down my chin) so that the pill ends up sort of floating in the middle of this mouthful of water and then I take another larger sip of water as I swallow the pill. I find this tends to lubricate the pills and they don't tend to get stuck in the back of my throat this way.
kind regards
bluedog
Posted by BeardedLady on December 20, 2002, at 6:55:04
In reply to Re: More Trivia - Beardy,Shelli,and Bluedog » HannahBeGood, posted by bluedog on December 20, 2002, at 3:32:56
Love 'em. Kitchy as they are now, they're still endearing.
beardy
Posted by BeardedLady on December 20, 2002, at 6:56:10
In reply to Re: More Trivia - Beardy,Shelli,and Bluedog » HannahBeGood, posted by bluedog on December 20, 2002, at 3:32:56
Posted by ShelliR on December 21, 2002, at 20:18:02
In reply to Re: More Trivia - Beardy,Shelli,and Bluedog » bluedog, posted by HannahBeGood on December 20, 2002, at 3:01:46
Posted by bluedog on December 22, 2002, at 0:59:48
In reply to The Blue Dogs of George Rodrigue » bluedog, posted by BeardedLady on December 20, 2002, at 6:55:04
Hannah and Beardy
Thank you for introducing me to the Blue Dog art. I LOVE it. Those expressive eyes really reflect the inner turmoil that I always seem to experience but does it in such a way that it actually cheers me up. I have copied all the pictures from the site that Beardy provided the link to onto my system and everyday I will paste a new picture as my background wallpaper on my desktop to reflect my mood for the day.
After my first week back at work I have pasted the following picture onto my desktop http://www.georgerodrigue.com/topsyturvy.htm as this accurately reflects my current state of mind.
I'm almost certain that the bluedog art must have used the Blue Heeler as it's inspiration. Heres a link to some photos of a Blue Heeler with it's family see http://www.cattledog.com.au/gallery31_40/photogallery38.htm ( Note: Blue Heelers are called Australian Cattle Dogs outside of Australia)
I forgot to add to my list of reasons behind my posting name that in Australia police officer are affectionately referred to as "Blue Heelers" which is a very positive description in comparison to the derogatory description of "pigs" that is often used and that I personally find rather offensive. There is even a popular TV series in Australia that is called "Blue Heelers".
By the way Hannah, did my advice on taking your supplements help at all?
kind regards
bluedog
Posted by IsoM on December 22, 2002, at 1:57:02
In reply to Re: Blue Dogs - HannahBeGood and » BeardedLady, posted by bluedog on December 22, 2002, at 0:59:48
Posted by HannahBeGood on December 22, 2002, at 4:16:58
In reply to Re: More Trivia - Beardy,Shelli,and Bluedog » HannahBeGood, posted by bluedog on December 20, 2002, at 3:32:56
Bluedog~
Thanks for the 'supplemental' tips. I do not eat regular, well-balanced meals~I graze~I've had 'food apathy' for sev'l mos, but I really do need to start doing all those real-life get off your rear things (eating well, taking vits, exercising regularly) & HELLO Hannah, developing a better regulated sleep program! It's 3;55 a.m. my time~if I ever want to truly recover, work again etc, etc, etc...I am going to check out the supplements. But, I sure wish I cd. find most everything I need in one combination, and simply add to, as needed.
I see Beardy gave you the exact I was going send u tonight-thank you Beardy. I haven't seen much of his work in several years (been SOOOOOOOOO involved w/family, birth, deaths, my on mounting illness which finally spilled over my home-made dams) and I like his color-play, dogs are my great love and his bluedog certainly does have that 'look in his eye' that I have felt many a time. (Like 'how did I get here? am I having fun? is this real or am I just a dream or, maybe, some silly character someone doodled out & then ruthlessly exposed me to the multitudes? And, I'm, like, paralyzed or something, why can't I just walk out of this lttle, bitty box...?
EVERYBODY is lookin' at me, and they're staring...that is so rude; or maybe I really am the magnificent blue creature I always thought I was, and they can't take there eyes off me...errr, NO, too weird...Something's just a bit off here, not good,eeeeeeeeeee, I think I'm freakin' here...!)
Glad u liked 'em~I GOTTA turn in~
HBG
Posted by BeardedLady on December 22, 2002, at 7:02:26
In reply to we call the dogs Blue Heelers in Canada... (nm) » bluedog, posted by IsoM on December 22, 2002, at 1:57:02
Posted by bluedog on December 22, 2002, at 10:28:40
In reply to Re: More Trivia - Beardy,Shelli,and Bluedog, posted by HannahBeGood on December 22, 2002, at 4:16:58
> Thanks for the 'supplemental' tips. I do not eat regular, well-balanced meals~I graze~
There is nothing wrong with grazing as long as over the course of the day the foods you graze on add up to a relatively balanced diet providing you with all the necessary nutrients you need to keep you going.
==================================================================================================>I've had 'food apathy' for sev'l mos, but I really do need to start doing all those real-life get off your rear things (eating well, taking vits, exercising regularly)
For me all of the above things were the relatively easy part, just don't try to do to much at once. What I did was change to change only ONE bad habit at a time until it became a natural part of my routine!! Do any more and you'll overwhelm yourself and just end up feeling worse. This was a long hard lesson for me to learn.
==================================================================================================>& HELLO Hannah, developing a better regulated sleep program! It's 3;55 a.m. my time~if I ever want to truly recover, work again etc, etc, etc...
Now this is a COMPLETELY different matter altogether and is the part of my routine that I find the hardest to discipline myself on. In fact the more depressed I get the later I tend to go to bed. For some reason my brain chemicals finally seem to stabilise between 3.00am to 4.00am in the morning and all of a sudden I'm feeling OK and even able to concentrate on rather complicated principles and concepts that I can't seem to do at any other time.
Last week was my first week back at work after a 4 month sick leave period and within two days I became so severely depressed that I ended up going to bed at 4.00am twice during the week and the earliest I got to bed during the week was 1.30am. I am certain that this played the major role in my coming down with a viral infection by Friday and I had to call in sick in my first week back (with a feeling of enormous guilt because I know that my Human Resources Manager has NIL understanding or sympathy for sufferers of depression and I hate to think what he is thinking about me)
Anyway it's now midnight where I live and I'm going "bite the bullet" and exercise some discipline and I am now signing off for the night to go to bed a bit earlier for once!!!!! I hope it will have a positive effect on my mood and concentration at work tomorrow. :).
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> I am going to check out the supplements. But, I sure wish I cd. find most everything I need in one combination, and simply add to, as needed.Don't get too stressed about the supplement thingy as this will create more anxiety and confusion than you probably need. There are some basic things which I personally believe will help almost everyone's general well being but there is no need to go overboard. I went through a period where I became absolutely obsessed about this supplement thingy and it made me so anxious that I literally got sick worrying too much about taking the right or perfect combinations of supplements. This is why I am currently re-assessing my entire supplement plan and to rationalise my plan to the basic essentials only and to only add extra supplements when I experience specific problems or symptoms.
I am not going to push any supplement advice onto you but if you really want my opinion I will be more than happy to give you some basic advice. I know that Larry Hoover and IsoM will also be able to give you some good, balanced and non-biased advice on supplements. ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS ASK and then you can pick and choose from the advice that is given and choose the supplements that your "gut feelings" (and your budget) tell you will be right for you. By the way I think the advice that I would give you would in all probability be pretty similar to the advice that Larry Hoover and IsoM will be able to give you but of course there will individual differences because we are all different.
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> I see Beardy gave you the exact I was going send u tonight-thank you Beardy. I haven't seen much of his work in several years (been SOOOOOOOOO involved w/family, birth, deaths, my on mounting illness which finally spilled over my home-made dams) and I like his color-play, dogs are my great love and his bluedog certainly does have that 'look in his eye' that I have felt many a time. (Like 'how did I get here? am I having fun? is this real or am I just a dream or, maybe, some silly character someone doodled out & then ruthlessly exposed me to the multitudes? And, I'm, like, paralyzed or something, why can't I just walk out of this lttle, bitty box...?
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> EVERYBODY is lookin' at me, and they're staring...that is so rude; or maybe I really am the magnificent blue creature I always thought I was, and they can't take there eyes off me...errr, NO, too weird...Something's just a bit off here, not good,eeeeeeeeeee, I think I'm freakin' here...!)
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> Glad u liked 'em~I GOTTA turn in~Thanks again HBG for the info on the Blue Dog art. Like I said I LOVE it :) :).
warm regards
bluedog
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