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Posted by GreatDaneBoy on May 22, 2002, at 13:27:12
Hi!
I was surfing the web and found a link (on WebMD) to a page that discussed the use of Dilantin (Phenytoin) to treat depression. Has anyone ever heard of this? I am of course familiar with the use of anti-convulsants such as Depakote and Tegretol as mood stabilizers, but I had no idea that any of them had antidepressant effects.
By the way, that site is http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/
Peace,
Dane
Posted by BarbaraCat on May 23, 2002, at 22:44:39
In reply to Anyone heard of Dilantin for Depression???????, posted by GreatDaneBoy on May 22, 2002, at 13:27:12
Yes! I heard about phenytoin years ago in a book 'A Remarkable Treatment for Depression has been Overlooked'. Can't remember the author. Basically, dilantin is one of the earliest anti-convulsants, used almost exclusively for epilepsy. One of the major bad side effects is that it can cause nasty gum problems and a tendency to tooth decay - yuck! I think it was overshadowed by some of the newer anti-convulsants/mood stabilizers that have arrived on the scene - neurontin, risperidal, lamictal, etc. It's possible that these newer guys are a more effective morph of this older drug, but who knows? I've never been able to find out anything more about it, such as if anyone was currently using it or not. Let me know if you find out anything. - BarbaraCat
> Hi!
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> I was surfing the web and found a link (on WebMD) to a page that discussed the use of Dilantin (Phenytoin) to treat depression. Has anyone ever heard of this? I am of course familiar with the use of anti-convulsants such as Depakote and Tegretol as mood stabilizers, but I had no idea that any of them had antidepressant effects.
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> By the way, that site is http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/
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> Peace,
> Dane
Posted by tired an pissed on August 27, 2003, at 1:40:11
In reply to Anyone heard of Dilantin for Depression???????, posted by GreatDaneBoy on May 22, 2002, at 13:27:12
this is shit. I have been on 300mg of dilantin for half of my life fo seizures, i have side affects and terrible anxiety. This is a fuckin quack of a doctor. i do not suggest any body jump the gun on this one maybe we should all write or phone the bitch.
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 28, 2003, at 8:07:05
In reply to Re: Anyone heard of Dilantin for Depression??????? » GreatDaneBoy, posted by tired an pissed on August 27, 2003, at 1:40:11
> this is sh*t... This is a f*ckin quack of a doctor. i do not suggest any body jump the gun on this one maybe we should all write or phone the b*tch.
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Posted by GreatDaneBoy on August 28, 2003, at 8:56:41
In reply to Re: Anyone heard of Dilantin for Depression??????? » GreatDaneBoy, posted by tired an pissed on August 27, 2003, at 1:40:11
My, it sounds as though you might have gotten up on the wrong side of the bed this morning! But, thanks for your reply anyway! It is always good to hear both sides of any story.
Goddess Bless,
Dane =)
Posted by jparsell82 on August 28, 2003, at 17:19:48
In reply to Re: Anyone heard of Dilantin for Depression??????? Â, posted by GreatDaneBoy on August 28, 2003, at 8:56:41
Yes, after reading an article and then buying and reading "A Remarkable Medicine Has Been Overlooked" by Jack Dreyfus I have just ordered some Dilantin. It's not for everyone but I fit into the description of/by Jack Dreyfus almost exactly. It works by correcting excessive/inappropriate electrical activity in the brain and body. None of the other anti-convulsants would have the same effect, I think they have anti-convulsant effects in a different way than Dilantin does. As far as side effects, from everything I've read side effects are rare. I really encourage you to read "A Remarkable Medicine Has Been Overlooked", it's really good. You can also check out this link:
Posted by rlw1972 on October 20, 2003, at 17:19:47
In reply to Re: Anyone heard of Dilantin for Depression??????? Â, posted by jparsell82 on August 28, 2003, at 17:19:48
I hope the Dilantin helps you out. I have been taking it (500mg daily) for 21 years for epilepsy and it has allowed me to live a pretty normal life. I have been lucky in that the only side effect I've had is that my teeth started crumbling about 10 years ago.every so often as I eat a piece of tooth of varying size will fall off. I've always brushed 3times/day and flossed as well. Also, I've never been a candy eater (it upsets my stomach). I know a few other longtime dilantin users and they are also experiencing this. I'm not trying to turn you away from a medicine that could work for your situation, but if an alternative comes along I think I'd try it.
Best of luck,
Richard> Yes, after reading an article and then buying and reading "A Remarkable Medicine Has Been Overlooked" by Jack Dreyfus I have just ordered some Dilantin. It's not for everyone but I fit into the description of/by Jack Dreyfus almost exactly. It works by correcting excessive/inappropriate electrical activity in the brain and body. None of the other anti-convulsants would have the same effect, I think they have anti-convulsant effects in a different way than Dilantin does. As far as side effects, from everything I've read side effects are rare. I really encourage you to read "A Remarkable Medicine Has Been Overlooked", it's really good. You can also check out this link:
>
> http://www.restoreunity.org/overlooked_compulsive.htm
Posted by Maxime on October 21, 2003, at 16:12:14
In reply to Re: Anyone heard of Dilantin for Depression??????? Â, posted by rlw1972 on October 20, 2003, at 17:19:47
> I hope the Dilantin helps you out. I have been taking it (500mg daily) for 21 years for epilepsy and it has allowed me to live a pretty normal life. I have been lucky in that the only side effect I've had is that my teeth started crumbling about 10 years ago.every so often as I eat a piece of tooth of varying size will fall off. I've always brushed 3times/day and flossed as well. Also, I've never been a candy eater (it upsets my stomach). I know a few other longtime dilantin users and they are also experiencing this. I'm not trying to turn you away from a medicine that could work for your situation, but if an alternative comes along I think I'd try it.
> Best of luck,
> Richard
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> > Yes, after reading an article and then buying and reading "A Remarkable Medicine Has Been Overlooked" by Jack Dreyfus I have just ordered some Dilantin. It's not for everyone but I fit into the description of/by Jack Dreyfus almost exactly. It works by correcting excessive/inappropriate electrical activity in the brain and body. None of the other anti-convulsants would have the same effect, I think they have anti-convulsant effects in a different way than Dilantin does. As far as side effects, from everything I've read side effects are rare. I really encourage you to read "A Remarkable Medicine Has Been Overlooked", it's really good. You can also check out this link:
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> > http://www.restoreunity.org/overlooked_compulsive.htm
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>Just curious. Why would dilantin be any better than Trileptal when both do the same thing?
Na+ channel inhibition
Ca2+ channel inhibitionI am currently on 100mg of Dilantin for bipolar disorder and really it is not working as a mood stabiliser for me at all. Does the book talk about bipolar and the use of dilantin?
Any light you can shed on this would be great.
Maxime
Posted by Elroy on November 21, 2005, at 0:27:31
In reply to Re: Anyone heard of Dilantin for Depression??????? Â, posted by jparsell82 on August 28, 2003, at 17:19:48
> Yes, after reading an article and then buying and reading "A Remarkable Medicine Has Been Overlooked" by Jack Dreyfus I have just ordered some Dilantin. It's not for everyone but I fit into the description of/by Jack Dreyfus almost exactly. It works by correcting excessive/inappropriate electrical activity in the brain and body. None of the other anti-convulsants would have the same effect, I think they have anti-convulsant effects in a different way than Dilantin does. As far as side effects, from everything I've read side effects are rare. I really encourage you to read "A Remarkable Medicine Has Been Overlooked", it's really good. You can also check out this link:
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> http://www.restoreunity.org/overlooked_compulsive.htm
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I too noted that my situation was very similar (in general terms not exact specifics) to that expressed by Mr Dreyfus. Also, I have found that Dilantin lowers cortisol levels very noticeably. I am limited to medications right now as I am gonig to NIH hospital for an adrenal gland tumor problem, but want to give Dilantin a try when I get back.
I noted that Mr. Dreyfus started with a protocol of 100 mg in the morning and then another 100 mg in the evening as his initial protocol. It then seemed that he reduced that to 100 mg in AM and 50 mg in PM after a period of time. There also appears to be information that one can eventually (depending on their full state of disorder) get to the point where they only take it very occasionally on an "as needed basis".
Also thought that you might be interested in Mr Dreyfus's web site... yes, he is still alive and well, having turned 92 this year....
His main web site:
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/
His basic book online:
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/Medicine/index.html
Main links of immediate interest:
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/Medicine/depression.html
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/Medicine/incredible.html
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/Medicine/newevidence.html
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/Medicine/bodyelectricity.html
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/Medicine/abroad.html
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/Medicine/flaw1.html
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/Medicine/flaw2.html
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/Medicine/flaw3.html
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/Medicine/evidence1.html
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/Medicine/Evidence2.html
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/Medicine/observations.html
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/Medicine/1httest.html
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/Medicine/1hrtestgraph.html
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/Clinical/prefatory.html
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/Clinical/clinicaluses/distinctivecharacteristics.html
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/Clinical/clinicaluses/thoughtmood/summary.html
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/Clinical/basicmechanisms/summary.htmlAfter reading this, I'd go back to the start page for the book and read the whole thing (it's relatively short overall). And then I'd go to the main web page and spend my time hitting every link to every side link that you can find...
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/
That's because there's a ton of side information that isn't in the book but is very important.
A couple of my specifically favorite links:
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/pressrelease.html
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/videoG2.html
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/Clinical/index.html
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/Clinical/clinicaluses/thoughtmood/sleep.html
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/Clinical/clinicaluses/otherdisorders/tinnitus.html
http://www.remarkablemedicine.com/Clinical/clinicaluses/safety/safety.html
Anyway, any feedback on your experiences would be appreciated.
Elroy
Posted by barbaracat on November 23, 2005, at 4:58:45
In reply to Re: Anyone heard of Dilantin for Depression??????? » jparsell82, posted by Elroy on November 21, 2005, at 0:27:31
Yes, I read the book and was intrigued by it. I currently am on Lithium and like it just fine.
The main reason I'm not going to try Dilantin is because of the gum problems reported by just about everyone who has been on it. I'm not sure why, but it changes the chemistry of saliva and causes severe problems in the mouth. Too bad, huh? - Barbara
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