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Posted by lil' jimi on September 10, 2003, at 22:11:35
In reply to Re: Hey Lil Jimi, have you moved up?, posted by theump on September 10, 2003, at 21:47:58
hi Renee!
great to know i have your support .. ... ..
my problem with my original plan to bump up was that i didn't really have to ... ... so i thought maybe i could wait until i see if it turns out i need to ... ... because right now, i really don't need to ... ...
... i'm in no hurry~ jim
> You sound good as usual, so maybe you don't need to bump anyway. If you do decide to do it, I'll be here. ;)
>
> Renee
>
>
>
> > hi. Renee!
> >
> > > I am still on the 15mg and having no problems with it. Infact I didn't even really go through the original SEs again. I feel pretty good, but I'm trying to decide if I should try 20 like the doctor wanted me to.
> > >
> > > Have you started with your Lex powder in 1mg doses? I haven't been reading the board much lately so if you've already let everyone else know how it's going, I apologize for having you repeat.
> > >
> > > Hope you're having a good day,
> > > Renee aka The Ump
> >
> > ... oh, no, you haven't missed a thing ... .
.. i'm still hanging at 10mg and i haven't crushed a single pill yet ... ... no repitition necessary ... ...
> > ... great to hear you are doing good ... ...
> > ... wondeful to know your SEs weren't bad ... ...
> >
> > ... i'm thinking i'll hang back, so if i need to do some bumping i'll have some room to bump .... .... if you know what i mean ... ... maybe
> >
> > take care,
> > ~ jim
>
>
Posted by theump on September 10, 2003, at 22:52:55
In reply to re: Hey Lil Jimi, you haven't moved up yet, man ? » theump, posted by lil' jimi on September 10, 2003, at 22:11:35
You'll know if you need it. And no use fixing something that isn't broke!
Have a good evening, I'm off to dream land.
Renee
> hi Renee!
>
> great to know i have your support .. ... ..
> my problem with my original plan to bump up was that i didn't really have to ... ... so i thought maybe i could wait until i see if it turns out i need to ... ... because right now, i really don't need to ... ...
> ... i'm in no hurry
>
> ~ jim
>
> > You sound good as usual, so maybe you don't need to bump anyway. If you do decide to do it, I'll be here. ;)
> >
> > Renee
> >
> >
> >
> > > hi. Renee!
> > >
> > > > I am still on the 15mg and having no problems with it. Infact I didn't even really go through the original SEs again. I feel pretty good, but I'm trying to decide if I should try 20 like the doctor wanted me to.
> > > >
> > > > Have you started with your Lex powder in 1mg doses? I haven't been reading the board much lately so if you've already let everyone else know how it's going, I apologize for having you repeat.
> > > >
> > > > Hope you're having a good day,
> > > > Renee aka The Ump
> > >
> > > ... oh, no, you haven't missed a thing ... .
>
>
> .. i'm still hanging at 10mg and i haven't crushed a single pill yet ... ... no repitition necessary ... ...
> > > ... great to hear you are doing good ... ...
> > > ... wondeful to know your SEs weren't bad ... ...
> > >
> > > ... i'm thinking i'll hang back, so if i need to do some bumping i'll have some room to bump .... .... if you know what i mean ... ... maybe
> > >
> > > take care,
> > > ~ jim
> >
> >
>
>
Posted by Mariposa on September 11, 2003, at 9:40:18
In reply to re: Hey Lil Jimi, you haven't moved up yet, man ?, posted by theump on September 10, 2003, at 22:52:55
Hey Lil Jimi!
It really doesn't sound like you need to *bump up*!! And as theump said, you WILL know if you need to.
I think you might appreciate this more than anyone......A little Story Time.....
When I was in college ( the good ole days!) I started growing African Violets in my little apt. I don't know if you know anything about A. violets, but they CAN be very hard to grow without the right conditions. My 2nd floor apt. had a sheltered northern view window (which they prefer). I started out with one, it did well, so I bought more, and even started a bunch of my own from cuttings. Soon I had a massive display of VERY healthy and beautiful violets, quite impressive if I do say so myself.
Then I moved (moved a bunch back then) and the new place wasn't good and they ALL died eventually. 20 years later, and I decide to try again. I bought a few and they lived but did not really thrive and had puny blooms if they bloomed at all, discouraged, a few died, and I quit caring again and then things start going wrong in my life, and it starts spiraling out of control.
Moved again, this time into Mom-in-law's house to take care of her. I bring the 3 violets I have left, and they start doing better and better, but I don't really notice. Mom passes away, things get worse, I get help. I notice the violets are doing better, and I start paying attention to them, and caring for them. I even buy one more to add to the tiny collection. My Lex *transformation* has given me back something wonderful I had totally forgotten about. A few weeks ago I started 4 new plants from cuttings, and the others all have blooms and are looking healthier and healthier.
Somehow this was all going to tie in with my decision to go up to 20mg, there was a point where I knew I was not feeling the same *joy* about life in general and my violets in particular, and I decided to get my pdoc to bump me up to 20mg. Since then I have been doing much better again, and my violets are again a great joy. Only fitting for a Butterfly!!
I wish you all the best and hope you continue to do so well at 10mg. I ALWAYS enjoy all of your posts and thank you for being such a great support to us all.
Keep on keepin' on!!!~~~8|8
Posted by Esmarelda on September 11, 2003, at 11:08:36
In reply to Re: KayJ~Ditto Kay:-), posted by sassyveg on September 10, 2003, at 19:42:33
Sassyveg - I am on 15 mg of Lex for the last week and 10 mg for 10 weeks prior. I did fine through law school - it's being a lawyer that has driven me crazy - ha! Just kidding! Actually, being a lawyer is great and I love it - good luck! It was death that set me back!
Posted by lil' jimi on September 11, 2003, at 12:35:40
In reply to re: Hey Lil Jimi, you haven't moved up yet, man ?, posted by Mariposa on September 11, 2003, at 9:40:18
thank you, Mariposa ...
> Hey Lil Jimi!
>
> It really doesn't sound like you need to *bump up*!! And as theump said, you WILL know if you need to. >thanks ... still trying to cheerlead here ...
... the truth is i want to try bumping "just for fun" ... still want to ... ... but not right now
... and there could come a time when i need to ... not "just for fun" ...... this thread keeps me mindful of how fortunate i am to have such luxuries in my discretion about my decision ....
> I think you might appreciate this more than anyone......A little Story Time.....
>
> When I was in college ( the good ole days!) I started growing African Violets in my little apt. I don't know if you know anything about A. violets, but they CAN be very hard to grow without the right conditions. My 2nd floor apt. had a sheltered northern view window (which they prefer). I started out with one, it did well, so I bought more, and even started a bunch of my own from cuttings. Soon I had a massive display of VERY healthy and beautiful violets, quite impressive if I do say so myself.
>
> Then I moved (moved a bunch back then) and the new place wasn't good and they ALL died eventually. 20 years later, and I decide to try again. I bought a few and they lived but did not really thrive and had puny blooms if they bloomed at all, discouraged, a few died, and I quit caring again and then things start going wrong in my life, and it starts spiraling out of control.
>
> Moved again, this time into Mom-in-law's house to take care of her. I bring the 3 violets I have left, and they start doing better and better, but I don't really notice. Mom passes away, things get worse, I get help. I notice the violets are doing better, and I start paying attention to them, and caring for them. I even buy one more to add to the tiny collection. My Lex *transformation* has given me back something wonderful I had totally forgotten about. A few weeks ago I started 4 new plants from cuttings, and the others all have blooms and are looking healthier and healthier.
>
> Somehow this was all going to tie in with my decision to go up to 20mg, there was a point where I knew I was not feeling the same *joy* about life in general and my violets in particular, and I decided to get my pdoc to bump me up to 20mg. Since then I have been doing much better again, and my violets are again a great joy. Only fitting for a Butterfly!! >that is a beautiful story and i do appreciate it very much ... ... especially from our Butterfly
... and her African Violets ....i so sorry for you losing your mom-in-law and for the trauma of going through the care-giving part of that tragedy
... how long ago was this?
... did this have an impact on your dosage increase?
... you sound great ... i hope your recovery from your loss is going as well as you sound ...
... you know i miss seeing your smiling face here
...
... Hey! where's Wayne ?> I wish you all the best and hope you continue to do so well at 10mg. I ALWAYS enjoy all of your posts and thank you for being such a great support to us all.
>
> Keep on keepin' on!!!~~~8|8 >love your butterfly logo, mariposa!
hey, you support me ... we support them ...they support us ... so maybe we can have a good time ... ... help those who aren't
... ... it's all just life on the lex thread ...please post soon and
TAKE CARE !!
~ jim
Posted by Saran on September 12, 2003, at 13:10:00
In reply to Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by Dr. Bob on June 11, 2002, at 7:52:48
I have been on Xanax for years for anxiety/panic dissorder. Xanax worked great...no problems,...till I got "that age" then PMS symptoms raged. Hormone replacement seemed risky, but mood swings and "power surges" were awful. Dr. suggested I try Lexapro 10mg. Wow! After two weeks no "power surges" and family votes I'm more mellow to live with. Had recent hystroectomy and still no PMS symptoms.
Posted by ELENI4 on September 12, 2003, at 21:26:59
In reply to re: Hey Lil Jimi, you haven't moved up yet, man ?, posted by Mariposa on September 11, 2003, at 9:40:18
Out of curiousity, does Lexapro seem to poop out after four months or so, requiring an increased dose?
> Hey Lil Jimi!
>
> It really doesn't sound like you need to *bump up*!! And as theump said, you WILL know if you need to.
>
> I think you might appreciate this more than anyone......A little Story Time.....
>
> When I was in college ( the good ole days!) I started growing African Violets in my little apt. I don't know if you know anything about A. violets, but they CAN be very hard to grow without the right conditions. My 2nd floor apt. had a sheltered northern view window (which they prefer). I started out with one, it did well, so I bought more, and even started a bunch of my own from cuttings. Soon I had a massive display of VERY healthy and beautiful violets, quite impressive if I do say so myself.
>
> Then I moved (moved a bunch back then) and the new place wasn't good and they ALL died eventually. 20 years later, and I decide to try again. I bought a few and they lived but did not really thrive and had puny blooms if they bloomed at all, discouraged, a few died, and I quit caring again and then things start going wrong in my life, and it starts spiraling out of control.
>
> Moved again, this time into Mom-in-law's house to take care of her. I bring the 3 violets I have left, and they start doing better and better, but I don't really notice. Mom passes away, things get worse, I get help. I notice the violets are doing better, and I start paying attention to them, and caring for them. I even buy one more to add to the tiny collection. My Lex *transformation* has given me back something wonderful I had totally forgotten about. A few weeks ago I started 4 new plants from cuttings, and the others all have blooms and are looking healthier and healthier.
>
> Somehow this was all going to tie in with my decision to go up to 20mg, there was a point where I knew I was not feeling the same *joy* about life in general and my violets in particular, and I decided to get my pdoc to bump me up to 20mg. Since then I have been doing much better again, and my violets are again a great joy. Only fitting for a Butterfly!!
>
> I wish you all the best and hope you continue to do so well at 10mg. I ALWAYS enjoy all of your posts and thank you for being such a great support to us all.
>
> Keep on keepin' on!!!~~~8|8
Posted by leedsman on September 12, 2003, at 21:53:06
In reply to Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by Dr. Bob on June 11, 2002, at 7:52:48
I was on Paxil for 5 years, which really helped, but about 7 months ago, I started cutting down to 10 mg. from 20 mg, I started getting depressional symptoms, but I had just got over a sinus infection and I thought it was just flaring up again. I tried increasing back to 20 mg, for a month but no avail, I was wondering if I was getting immuned to Paxil. Then I started seeing a shrink after 2 ER visits , which lead to all normal results, she put me on Paxil cr 25 mg. for two weeks, but I still did not get any effect. She suggested Lexapro, and how it has helped her patients. I started 5mg. Lexapro, and reduced to Paxil 12.5 mg CR on alternate days for a week. I started getting nausea in the morning and fatigue. Then the next week Iwent off Paxil and took Lexapro 5mg, for another week,
That week, I has extreme fatigue like I had mono or something. Then I started on 10 mg. Lexapro almost 3.5 weeks ago, and I had spaciness , wooziness for about 2 days in the mornings. I now started getting terrible muscle aches in shoulder and neck area causing major pain and fatigue. Plus with my allergies, this past week has been pollen counts very high and causing me more tiredness than usual, I feel sedated , tired, like my mind is not connected to my body, and a little anxiety.
I have been reading this board and am willing to give it some more time as long as I get rid of this foggy, not very clear thinking. Anybody else out there have any ideas or comments. Do you think I could have some Paxil withdrawal, but I thought if you change to another AD that it would be over soon. Please help .
Posted by lil' jimi on September 13, 2003, at 1:33:17
In reply to re: Hey Lil Jimi, you haven't moved up yet, man ? » Mariposa, posted by ELENI4 on September 12, 2003, at 21:26:59
hi ELENI4,
> Out of curiosity, does Lexapro seem to poop out after four months or so, requiring an increased dose? >
this revolves around an issue that is serious enough for many of us that we have to take it as a matter of something rather more than just curiosity ... ... sorry, no offense intended to you ...
we, who have come to depend on lexapro, must live with the threat of the proverbial "poop out" ... the diminishing of its therapeutic effectiveness ...
the variation in the response to lexapro, from one individual to the next, is so great that very little can be gained by considering the probabilities or generalizations, in the face of the specific case of a particular user ...
for instance, for some users, their effective dose can be as little as 5 mg and, for some, it can be 30 mg or more ... ...
... i have read of some treatment resistant cases, where lexapro followed a previous pattern of other ssris, and its effectiveness could not be maintained ... i read of maybe two others who quit lex due to effectivess decrease ...
i know of one guy who has been on lex for a year and 2 for more than 8 monhts and then there's a large team of us around 6 (like myself) or 7 months ...
... and i would say a lot of my teamamtes (6 or 7 monthers) have increased their dose at one point or another ... ... i increased 5 months ago, but not from poop out ... i was till feeling out my effective dose and getting up to it ...anyway, that's my long winded way to say, "that's the way it seems to me" ...
how's it seem to you ?
have you been using lex for around 4 months?take care,
~ jim
Posted by BLKVETTES on September 13, 2003, at 2:40:25
In reply to Re:lfrom paxil to Lexapro, posted by leedsman on September 12, 2003, at 21:53:06
> I was on Paxil for 5 years, which really helped, but about 7 months ago, I started cutting down to 10 mg. from 20 mg, I started getting depressional symptoms, but I had just got over a sinus infection and I thought it was just flaring up again. I tried increasing back to 20 mg, for a month but no avail, I was wondering if I was getting immuned to Paxil. Then I started seeing a shrink after 2 ER visits , which lead to all normal results, she put me on Paxil cr 25 mg. for two weeks, but I still did not get any effect. She suggested Lexapro, and how it has helped her patients. I started 5mg. Lexapro, and reduced to Paxil 12.5 mg CR on alternate days for a week. I started getting nausea in the morning and fatigue. Then the next week Iwent off Paxil and took Lexapro 5mg, for another week,
> That week, I has extreme fatigue like I had mono or something. Then I started on 10 mg. Lexapro almost 3.5 weeks ago, and I had spaciness , wooziness for about 2 days in the mornings. I now started getting terrible muscle aches in shoulder and neck area causing major pain and fatigue. Plus with my allergies, this past week has been pollen counts very high and causing me more tiredness than usual, I feel sedated , tired, like my mind is not connected to my body, and a little anxiety.
> I have been reading this board and am willing to give it some more time as long as I get rid of this foggy, not very clear thinking. Anybody else out there have any ideas or comments. Do you think I could have some Paxil withdrawal, but I thought if you change to another AD that it would be over soon. Please help .Hi there, a lot of doctors insist there is no such thing as withdrawal. As Jim would say HA!!! 5 years on paxil is a long time and jumping from med to med is very common now. We are all so different that no one could tell you if your having withdrawal or not. Could be a combination of both meds. If it is withdrawal the worst is over in about 4 weeks, but can take a little longer. Thats why I am not a fan of jumping from med to med becuse in situations like yours you cant really tell for sure whats going on. The only thing I can tell you is that about into 6 weeks you should know where you are at. The tiredness should go away along with the aches and pains. But yes withdrawal from the paxil is possible. I went through it before starting lexapro and had aches and pains, fever, really it felt like I was dying, anxiety, crying jags, all kinds of fun stuff. Cant tell you what to do, but if you can stick with it for about 6 weeks things may get a lot better. TAKE CARE!!!!!!!
WAYNE
Posted by ELENI4 on September 13, 2003, at 6:32:18
In reply to ELENI4, posted by lil' jimi on September 13, 2003, at 1:33:17
No, not even close. I quit very early on due to bad SE's, which is why I was just curious.
> hi ELENI4,
>
> > Out of curiosity, does Lexapro seem to poop out after four months or so, requiring an increased dose? >
>
> this revolves around an issue that is serious enough for many of us that we have to take it as a matter of something rather more than just curiosity ... ... sorry, no offense intended to you ...
>
> we, who have come to depend on lexapro, must live with the threat of the proverbial "poop out" ... the diminishing of its therapeutic effectiveness ...
>
> the variation in the response to lexapro, from one individual to the next, is so great that very little can be gained by considering the probabilities or generalizations, in the face of the specific case of a particular user ...
>
> for instance, for some users, their effective dose can be as little as 5 mg and, for some, it can be 30 mg or more ... ...
>
> ... i have read of some treatment resistant cases, where lexapro followed a previous pattern of other ssris, and its effectiveness could not be maintained ... i read of maybe two others who quit lex due to effectivess decrease ...
>
> i know of one guy who has been on lex for a year and 2 for more than 8 monhts and then there's a large team of us around 6 (like myself) or 7 months ...
> ... and i would say a lot of my teamamtes (6 or 7 monthers) have increased their dose at one point or another ... ... i increased 5 months ago, but not from poop out ... i was till feeling out my effective dose and getting up to it ...
>
> anyway, that's my long winded way to say, "that's the way it seems to me" ...
>
> how's it seem to you ?
> have you been using lex for around 4 months?
>
> take care,
> ~ jim
Posted by ELENI4 on September 13, 2003, at 6:42:20
In reply to Re:lfrom paxil to Lexapro, posted by leedsman on September 12, 2003, at 21:53:06
I experienced some of the same things while on Lexapro. I only tried it for two days, but had sinus congestion, muscle aches in my shoulder and back, had what I can only describe as "heavy legs," and slept about a day and a half straight like I had mono. I also had to pooh more often and had that hungry feeling about 1/2 hr after I had just eaten. It was just too much. I gave up. So now I'm looking into Paxil. Maybe that will be better for me, but who knows at this point.
> I was on Paxil for 5 years, which really helped, but about 7 months ago, I started cutting down to 10 mg. from 20 mg, I started getting depressional symptoms, but I had just got over a sinus infection and I thought it was just flaring up again. I tried increasing back to 20 mg, for a month but no avail, I was wondering if I was getting immuned to Paxil. Then I started seeing a shrink after 2 ER visits , which lead to all normal results, she put me on Paxil cr 25 mg. for two weeks, but I still did not get any effect. She suggested Lexapro, and how it has helped her patients. I started 5mg. Lexapro, and reduced to Paxil 12.5 mg CR on alternate days for a week. I started getting nausea in the morning and fatigue. Then the next week Iwent off Paxil and took Lexapro 5mg, for another week,
> That week, I has extreme fatigue like I had mono or something. Then I started on 10 mg. Lexapro almost 3.5 weeks ago, and I had spaciness , wooziness for about 2 days in the mornings. I now started getting terrible muscle aches in shoulder and neck area causing major pain and fatigue. Plus with my allergies, this past week has been pollen counts very high and causing me more tiredness than usual, I feel sedated , tired, like my mind is not connected to my body, and a little anxiety.
> I have been reading this board and am willing to give it some more time as long as I get rid of this foggy, not very clear thinking. Anybody else out there have any ideas or comments. Do you think I could have some Paxil withdrawal, but I thought if you change to another AD that it would be over soon. Please help .
Posted by lil' jimi on September 13, 2003, at 11:43:41
In reply to Re: ELENI4, posted by ELENI4 on September 13, 2003, at 6:32:18
hi ELENI4
> No, not even close. I quit very early on due to bad SE's, which is why I was just curious. >
i see ...
yes, then in that case, it is does become a speculation of idle curiosity for you ... ... i hope you will understand that this is a subject of great importance to many of us ... ... very great importance ...
so anyway, to satisfy your curiosity .... (and giving my, oh so, humble opinion) ...
individual variation
a folk can have zero SEs and perfect therapeutic response with zero adaptation and zero subsequent withdrawals ... (it COULD happen! ... especially since such a folk would not be likely to post here) ... another folk will have 10 weeks of heavy intense SEs ...
... the rarer thing would be to find two folk who had the same SEs
.... extensive individual variation is the consistent expectation when trying lexapro ...i would venture that in anything less than 4 weeks, a lex user's not likely to begin to get beyond the initial SEs .... nor it is likely that they would get to therapeutic benefits ....
.... these are documentable experiences from the pages of this thread on this board ...still curious ?
"poop out" is Not a consistently reported lexapro experience (imho and from these reports) and still has a mythic spectre shadow-like quality ... ... or whatever ... ... at any rate, the evidence i have seen for lexapro poop out is extremely thin and is (at least) not documentable as an expectation of lexapro ... especially when compared with other ssris ...
hear what i'm saying here?
"NO LEX POOP OUT !"
"NO LEX POOP OUT ! "
... we chant ...
(they have called me a cheerleader around here ... and now this will be one of our cheers, see?)
... ... <and as i would say .... HA!>anything else you're curious about lex there now ?
and now i'm curious about you, eleni4
... ... how you doing there
... anyway ?
... ... HA!TAKE CARE!
~ jimp.s.
to wayne: ... great to see you post, man!
~ jim
p.p.s.
...
~ HA!
Posted by Mariposa on September 13, 2003, at 11:44:42
In reply to African Violets and Lexapro » Mariposa, posted by lil' jimi on September 11, 2003, at 12:35:40
> i so sorry for you losing your mom-in-law and for the trauma of going through the care-giving part of that tragedy
> ... how long ago was this?
> ... did this have an impact on your dosage increase?
> ... you sound great ... i hope your recovery from your loss is going as well as you sound ...
> ... you know i miss seeing your smiling face here
> ...It happened Jan. 1, New Year's Day and my birthday.
I started Lex the end of Feb. Husband hit very hard, still not *over* it yet, we both struggle and take it a day at a time.Still doing well @ 20mg, going into week 4.
>> hey, you support me ... we support them ...they support us ... so maybe we can have a good time ... ... help those who aren't
> ... ... it's all just life on the lex thread ...
>
> please post soon and
> TAKE CARE !!
> ~ jimIt helps so much to have wonderful supportive people like you......what would we do w/o YOU!
Best of luck~~~8|8
Posted by lil' jimi on September 13, 2003, at 12:25:19
In reply to Re: African Violets and Lexapro » lil' jimi, posted by Mariposa on September 13, 2003, at 11:44:42
Mariposa,
> > i so sorry for you losing your mom-in-law and for the trauma of going through the care-giving part of that tragedy > >
> It happened Jan. 1, New Year's Day and my birthday. I started Lex the end of Feb. Husband hit very hard, still not *over* it yet, we both struggle and take it a day at a time. >
i want to offer you and your husband my sympathies and support on your tragic loss ....
... i lost both of my 80+ year old parents to an auto accident in june 2002 ... ...
... they are pretty much the reason i'm here now ...please give your husband my best ...
TAKE CARE !!
~ jim
Posted by BLKVETTES on September 13, 2003, at 13:26:32
In reply to Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by hope2003 on February 7, 2003, at 16:12:49
>>>>>>>>"poop out" is Not a consistently reported lexapro experience (imho and from these reports) and still has a mythic spectre shadow-like quality ... ... or whatever ... ... at any rate, the evidence i have seen for lexapro poop out is extremely thin and is (at least) not documentable as an expectation of lexapro ... especially when compared with other ssris ...
>>>>>>>>>hear what i'm saying here?
>>>>>>>>"NO LEX POOP OUT !"
"NO LEX POOP OUT ! "
... we chant ...
(they have called me a cheerleader around here ... and now this will be one of our cheers, see?)
... ... <and as i would say .... HA!>I stole your words here Jim hope you dont mind. I thought maybe I was going through this poop out thing several times. But each time I rebound without doing anything with my dose. Everyone on earth gets depressed and I find that I can figure out now why Im depressed. Such as getting the flu, it makes everyone depressed. My wife drinking gets me depressed at times. My oldest daughter is due in less than 30 days and the baby has not turned. Just stuff everyone deals with day to day in life. Some worry about money and their jobs etc. etc. etc. No matter what med we are on we are going to be depressed about something time to time. When these things that depress us resolve themselves good chance these depressive feelings will go away also as they have with me. Lexapro or any med itself will not stop this type of depression. Now if everything in your life is perfect and you still feel depressed and nothing on earth makes you happy then we have a problem. I also find my anxiety shoots up time to time. Once again I can figure out why if I try. Such as the flu, aches and pains and stress. Everything from the above I would not have even given a second thought to a little over a year ago. But now some of us want to blame everything on our med when things get tough. Some of our problems are just everyday thoughts and feelings of life. Its ok to be depressed time to time, its going to happen and no med is going to stop it!!!! We just have to realize that this is normal for every living person on earth!!!!!!! I hope this makes sense some how!!!!!! HA!!!! TAKE CARE!!!!!!!!!
WAYNE
Posted by Arrianna on September 13, 2003, at 16:19:55
In reply to POOP OUT!!!!!!!!!!, posted by BLKVETTES on September 13, 2003, at 13:26:32
Soooo glad that this "poop out" thing is being adressed. After hearing about poop-out, I really began to wonder what it was and if I could expect it for myself. Still a newbie to the wonderful world of meds., you know.
So, I asked my pdoc. about it, and she said pretty much the same thing you did, Wayne. That when it seems Lexapro is losing it's effectiveness, it probably isn't that at all; but instead, something in one's life that would normally cause a reaction of depression or anxiety.
Yet, I still wasn't convinced. Even though she IS a doctor and I wanted to believe her, I have a tendency to believe those who have experienced it. So, thanks Jim and Wayne, for fulfilling my curiosity about this. It only makes sense that life still happens and we will continue to experience negative feelings even on the meds.
Arrianna
P.S. Your posts always put a smile on my face, and give me a good chuckle from time to time. It's true: what would this board be without you guys??
Posted by galkeepinon on September 13, 2003, at 16:38:45
In reply to Lexapro dissapeared PMS POWER SURGES, posted by Saran on September 12, 2003, at 13:10:00
Hooray for Lexapro!!!
Keep feeling good:-)
> I have been on Xanax for years for anxiety/panic dissorder. Xanax worked great...no problems,...till I got "that age" then PMS symptoms raged. Hormone replacement seemed risky, but mood swings and "power surges" were awful. Dr. suggested I try Lexapro 10mg. Wow! After two weeks no "power surges" and family votes I'm more mellow to live with. Had recent hystroectomy and still no PMS symptoms.
Posted by galkeepinon on September 13, 2003, at 16:59:01
In reply to Re:lfrom paxil to Lexapro, posted by leedsman on September 12, 2003, at 21:53:06
I sort of got *immune* to Effexor~I believe we can or that meds we've been on for a while can possibly stop working, poop-out, poop-in whatever......this may be the case with you and Paxil.
Anyway, you may be having withdrawal effects~I had them bad coming off Effexor~like WAYNE said, all that fun stuff HA!
I hope you can and are willing to give it some more time.
Hang in there!!!!
Keep posting:-)> I was on Paxil for 5 years, which really helped, but about 7 months ago, I started cutting down to 10 mg. from 20 mg, I started getting depressional symptoms, but I had just got over a sinus infection and I thought it was just flaring up again. I tried increasing back to 20 mg, for a month but no avail, I was wondering if I was getting immuned to Paxil. Then I started seeing a shrink after 2 ER visits , which lead to all normal results, she put me on Paxil cr 25 mg. for two weeks, but I still did not get any effect. She suggested Lexapro, and how it has helped her patients. I started 5mg. Lexapro, and reduced to Paxil 12.5 mg CR on alternate days for a week. I started getting nausea in the morning and fatigue. Then the next week Iwent off Paxil and took Lexapro 5mg, for another week,
> That week, I has extreme fatigue like I had mono or something. Then I started on 10 mg. Lexapro almost 3.5 weeks ago, and I had spaciness , wooziness for about 2 days in the mornings. I now started getting terrible muscle aches in shoulder and neck area causing major pain and fatigue. Plus with my allergies, this past week has been pollen counts very high and causing me more tiredness than usual, I feel sedated , tired, like my mind is not connected to my body, and a little anxiety.
> I have been reading this board and am willing to give it some more time as long as I get rid of this foggy, not very clear thinking. Anybody else out there have any ideas or comments. Do you think I could have some Paxil withdrawal, but I thought if you change to another AD that it would be over soon. Please help .
Posted by galkeepinon on September 13, 2003, at 17:11:28
In reply to POOP OUT!!!!!!!!!!, posted by BLKVETTES on September 13, 2003, at 13:26:32
>>>>No matter what med we are on we are going to be depressed about something time to time.
Thanks so much for posting this I want to get that throguh my thick skull LOL
NO LEX POOP OUT !~either I'll chant it too!
I hope your daughter's baby turns soon, in my thoughts an prayers.***Also>>>But now some of us want to blame everything on our med when things get tough. Some of our problems are just everyday thoughts and feelings of life. Its ok to be depressed time to time, its going to happen and no med is going to stop it!!!! We just have to realize that this is normal for every living person on earth!!!!!!! I hope this makes sense some how!!!!!!
THANK YOU! It makes sense to me~you have taught me something here. I always thought that every day a person is supposed to wake up happy period. And I also try to blame things on the meds, (sometimes the meds are to blame tho) but catch myself when I'm depressed and have to work through the feeling. I try anyway. You have reminded us that we're not alone and that EVERYONE has bad days and good days. Now I'm off to go look for some balance.........
Take care.
Posted by ELENI4 on September 13, 2003, at 18:56:10
In reply to Re: ELENI4, posted by lil' jimi on September 13, 2003, at 11:43:41
I understand it's serious. You don't exactly have to keep drilling that into my head. I am allowed to be curious. A lot of people who post are curious. That is why questions get asked...and answered. I also understand individual variation. However there are norms and trends that others might not be aware of. There's no need to be snippy. Good Lord. Cheer all you want. Boo all you want. It was just a question.
> hi ELENI4
>
> > No, not even close. I quit very early on due to bad SE's, which is why I was just curious. >
>
> i see ...
>
> yes, then in that case, it is does become a speculation of idle curiosity for you ... ... i hope you will understand that this is a subject of great importance to many of us ... ... very great importance ...
>
> so anyway, to satisfy your curiosity .... (and giving my, oh so, humble opinion) ...
>
> individual variation
>
> a folk can have zero SEs and perfect therapeutic response with zero adaptation and zero subsequent withdrawals ... (it COULD happen! ... especially since such a folk would not be likely to post here) ... another folk will have 10 weeks of heavy intense SEs ...
> ... the rarer thing would be to find two folk who had the same SEs
> .... extensive individual variation is the consistent expectation when trying lexapro ...
>
> i would venture that in anything less than 4 weeks, a lex user's not likely to begin to get beyond the initial SEs .... nor it is likely that they would get to therapeutic benefits ....
> .... these are documentable experiences from the pages of this thread on this board ...
>
> still curious ?
>
> "poop out" is Not a consistently reported lexapro experience (imho and from these reports) and still has a mythic spectre shadow-like quality ... ... or whatever ... ... at any rate, the evidence i have seen for lexapro poop out is extremely thin and is (at least) not documentable as an expectation of lexapro ... especially when compared with other ssris ...
>
> hear what i'm saying here?
>
> "NO LEX POOP OUT !"
> "NO LEX POOP OUT ! "
> ... we chant ...
> (they have called me a cheerleader around here ... and now this will be one of our cheers, see?)
> ... ... <and as i would say .... HA!>
>
> anything else you're curious about lex there now ?
>
> and now i'm curious about you, eleni4
> ... ... how you doing there
> ... anyway ?
> ... ... HA!
>
> TAKE CARE!
> ~ jim
>
> p.s.
> to wayne: ... great to see you post, man!
> ~ jim
> p.p.s.
> ...
> ~ HA!
Posted by BLKVETTES on September 13, 2003, at 19:55:54
In reply to Re: ELENI4, posted by ELENI4 on September 13, 2003, at 18:56:10
> I understand it's serious. You don't exactly have to keep drilling that into my head. I am allowed to be curious. A lot of people who post are curious. That is why questions get asked...and answered. I also understand individual variation. However there are norms and trends that others might not be aware of. There's no need to be snippy. Good Lord. Cheer all you want. Boo all you want. It was just a question.
Hi, he was not being snippy!!!!!! Its his writing style that makes you think he is. If you read some of his old posts you will see how much he cares for others as he does you!!! TAKE CARE!!!!
WAYNE
Posted by lil' jimi on September 13, 2003, at 20:30:35
In reply to POOP OUT!!!!!!!!!!, posted by BLKVETTES on September 13, 2003, at 13:26:32
Wayne !
Man! ...
... ... that subject line!
... ... With _your_ pBab name ??
... "hello, jim? ... are ready for our freak out of the day ?" ...
... ... in side my head, it felt like, " eye-eeeeeeeee-i-yikes-a-moon-Doh, Teammates !! "
.... .... i mean this looked like some real bad news, man!_You_ had _Me_ Going there ... ( !!!!!!!!! ) ... man !
... it felt good though ...
... and i came out of it without a scratch on me, too ! ....
... kinda fun, in a rollercoaster kinda way ...man, i am under so little stress, i need to thank you giving me the good awake up .... !
not that i'm complaining or anything ... no way ! .... .... work my last nerve any way that you need to, no sweat ... just so long as it turns Out, you're still doing ... okay? ... okay .... are you doing okay ?
... i'm just so relieved that you're not in a crisis from some would-be poop out crash or who knows what ... ... so, just so long as nothing real dire or urgent is zapnin, we can handle everything else ...
... okay ?oh, And PLEASE, go ahead and “steal” anything i ever write here ... ... if only because i know you will use it for good ...
> >>>>>>>>"poop out" is Not a consistently reported lexapro experience (imho and from these reports) and still has a mythic spectre shadow-like quality ... ... or whatever ... ... at any rate, the evidence i have seen for lexapro poop out is extremely thin and is (at least) not documentable as an expectation of lexapro ... especially when compared with other ssris ...
>
> >>>>>>>>>hear what i'm saying here?
>
> >>>>>>>>"NO LEX POOP OUT !"
> "NO LEX POOP OUT ! "
> ... we chant ...
> (they have called me a cheerleader around here ... and now this will be one of our cheers, see?)
> ... ... <and as i would say .... HA!>
>
> I stole your words here Jim hope you dont mind. I thought maybe I was going through this poop out thing several times. But each time I rebound without doing anything with my dose. Everyone on earth gets depressed and I find that I can figure out now why Im depressed. Such as getting the flu, it makes everyone depressed. My wife drinking gets me depressed at times. My oldest daughter is due in less than 30 days and the baby has not turned. Just stuff everyone deals with day to day in life. Some worry about money and their jobs etc. etc. etc. No matter what med we are on we are going to be depressed about something time to time. When these things that depress us resolve themselves good chance these depressive feelings will go away also as they have with me. Lexapro or any med itself will not stop this type of depression. Now if everything in your life is perfect and you still feel depressed and nothing on earth makes you happy then we have a problem. I also find my anxiety shoots up time to time. Once again I can figure out why if I try. Such as the flu, aches and pains and stress. Everything from the above I would not have even given a second thought to a little over a year ago. But now some of us want to blame everything on our med when things get tough. Some of our problems are just everyday thoughts and feelings of life. Its ok to be depressed time to time, its going to happen and no med is going to stop it!!!! We just have to realize that this is normal for every living person on earth!!!!!!! I hope this makes sense some how!!!!!! HA!!!! TAKE CARE!!!!!!!!!
> WAYNE
>i think we have had lots of evidence of how very different Lexapro can be from the other ssris .... .... and how different it is even from its mother Celexa ... ... comparisons are inevitable in a world full of suffers looking for hope ....
anyway, Wayne, you make perfect sense to me ...
... i got it easier than you and our other posters who fight anxieties ...
... start lex ... they get worse
... change dose ... they get worse
... waitin for kick in ... makes em worse
then, if you're really lucky ... you get relief!
... only to have to be haunted by the possibility of poop out .... making them worse !
... all of this on top of all of the other SEs and symptoms that we are all having to fight ...
>
>but i got to tell you, brother Wayne, i have been worrying about you, man
... i tell what you have already told about yourself here ...... almost all of us come here with some neurochemical challenge and have turned to lexapro for support .... .... we (may) have some neurotransmitter(s) deficiency or another and lexapro helps to build them back up
... which implies that neurochemicals are a limited resource and that we can run out of them ...now this is, of course, just me ... but i think that your dose may be a little too low ... because i think you should have a little more cushion to try to give the neurotransmitters a little more support ... ... so that the bumps on ride of life aren’t quite so harsh ...
... i do hear what you are saying about accepting some dips along the way ... ... and we really wouldn’t want to be happy all the time ... that would be a bad thing ... ... having a full range of functioning emotions is our ideal, and sadness should be included ... must be included in a spectrum of feelings that can let us feel fully alive ...
but i’m fearful that you may be wearing your internal neurochemical factories down ... ... all over again like ...
... .. you came here with one set of neurotransmitter needs .... and lex helped get you stable and your neurochemistry’s feet back on the ground ... ... this, in the face of the challenges you have there at the house there ... ... but things got okay and they are so much better that it looks like heaven by comparison to where you were ........ except (jim fears, here’s where jim crosses the line with his buddy,Wayne) that ... once you got some recovery from lexapro, you used your new neurotransmitter strength to try to help others ... which is a good thing ... ... but then you went beyond our pBab here and poured yourself into all those other boards and then e-mails ... from folks by the dozens ... ... all good and decent things to do ... ... but ... _maybe_, not to the point that it starts to wear down your internal neurochemical strength
... maybe not if the serotonin levels aren’t supported to higher levels ...
just my own humble opinion there, pardner ... ... hope you understand
i’m just trying to suggest that you might want to consider if you’re strecthing yourself too thin there ...
... and ...
if you should think about going up a Little bit ...... anyway ...
TAKE CARE !!
~ jim
Posted by lil' jimi on September 13, 2003, at 20:37:26
In reply to Re: POOP OUT!!!!!!!!!! » BLKVETTES, posted by Arrianna on September 13, 2003, at 16:19:55
Posted by lil' jimi on September 13, 2003, at 20:54:30
In reply to Re: ELENI4, posted by ELENI4 on September 13, 2003, at 18:56:10
hi Eleni4,
would you please accept my humble apology for being snippy with you ....
... honestly, it wasn't intended to be snippy ...
... in fact, i liked your question and very much appreciate your post
... it has opened up discission here and that's always a good thing ...... i have been guilty (on fairly regular basis since i began taking lexapro) of getting oversensitive in anicipaton of other people's feelings ... ... and managing to make things worse when i'm trying to help .... i am sorry i had a negative effect on you ... ... for what little it may be worth, it was unintentional ...
... i have some close friends here who suffer from anxiety here ... i worry about them ....
i know of no expectation of any lexapro poop out at any time ... including 4 months
i hope you will forgive me
~ jim
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