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Posted by delna on November 10, 2003, at 15:11:15
Hi
I was wondering if anyone ever questioned whether they were demotivated or just plain spoilt/lazy.
Since I am on medication- effexor 75mg, wellbutrin 300mg and lamital 250 I cant understand why I'm still such a recluse and 'take no reponsibility' as my sister says. I cannot bear todo anything vaguely uncomfortable.I am constantanly being told that I am self- indulgant and selfish.And that my illness-bipoler 2 is not an excuse for everything.
This I guess,is true. How can one tell the difference between being well yet lazy and being unwell? Ofcourse my pdoc tells me this is all part of my illness
Since i have had this disorder since 4yrs of age, I really dont know what 'normal'functioning is.
does anyone else have these feelings
delna
Posted by Bob on November 10, 2003, at 17:46:29
In reply to Demotivated or plain spoilt, posted by delna on November 10, 2003, at 15:11:15
> Hi
> I was wondering if anyone ever questioned whether they were demotivated or just plain spoilt/lazy.
> Since I am on medication- effexor 75mg, wellbutrin 300mg and lamital 250 I cant understand why I'm still such a recluse and 'take no reponsibility' as my sister says. I cannot bear todo anything vaguely uncomfortable.I am constantanly being told that I am self- indulgant and selfish.And that my illness-bipoler 2 is not an excuse for everything.
> This I guess,is true. How can one tell the difference between being well yet lazy and being unwell? Ofcourse my pdoc tells me this is all part of my illness
> Since i have had this disorder since 4yrs of age, I really dont know what 'normal'functioning is.
> does anyone else have these feelings
> delnaEveryone who has our illness has these problems. I was just told by my girlfriend, not five minutes ago, that I "choose to be the way I am" and ruined her vacation day as a result of it. Many just cannot understand mental illness. When the system that controls willpower and decision making goes awry, it cannot be differentiated from the person's desires themselves being manifested. We are not "programmed" to understand this.
Posted by JESSsMom on November 18, 2003, at 11:18:22
In reply to Re: Demotivated or plain spoilt » delna, posted by Bob on November 10, 2003, at 17:46:29
I hear both of you so clearly. If one more friend/family member tells me to "get it together" and stop using my mental illness as an excuse to not get things done, I am going to scream.
I've even had a family member tell me to throw out all my meds and just "deal with life." This is from a sis-in-law who who is so happy and motivated all the time, she has no clue whatsoever.........has never been anxious or depressed in her life!
JM
Posted by Bob on November 18, 2003, at 17:42:15
In reply to Re: Demotivated or plain spoilt, posted by JESSsMom on November 18, 2003, at 11:18:22
> I hear both of you so clearly. If one more friend/family member tells me to "get it together" and stop using my mental illness as an excuse to not get things done, I am going to scream.
> I've even had a family member tell me to throw out all my meds and just "deal with life." This is from a sis-in-law who who is so happy and motivated all the time, she has no clue whatsoever.........has never been anxious or depressed in her life!
> JM
That's harsh. If that were me, my sister-in-law would be getting a talking to as to how horrifically, and tragically ignorant she is, and how she and I would never be having any conversations ever again, unless it was absolutely necessary. I know it shouldn't be so, but lack of understanding of my illness, and blatant demonstration of such really gets me anger.
Posted by mags on November 19, 2003, at 19:29:17
In reply to Re: Demotivated or plain spoilt » JESSsMom, posted by Bob on November 18, 2003, at 17:42:15
Delna,
I was so saddened to read your post. Your SIL obviously is totally clueless when it comes to mental illness. What makes me angry is when you hear about people saying things like that"deal with life"...they would never say that to heart patient,cancer patients, MS patients etc, etc!!! we are just as sick...maybe more so...are pain is inside and so hard to explain....
Maybe you need to talk to a more supportive family member and get them to tune in SIL.....sorry to rant...but this sorta thing gets me so mad...you have enough to deal with!!!
Mags
Posted by delna on November 19, 2003, at 20:51:03
In reply to Re: Demotivated or plain spoilt, posted by mags on November 19, 2003, at 19:29:17
You know what the real problem is- its not knowing if what we call depression is simply self indulgence and cowardly behaviour. I myself know it isnt but I would love to read any scientific information showing that it is actually a brain disease. Does anyone know of any good papers or sites that talk about this?
And as for prozac being a sunshine pill- does anyone know anything about how 'normal' subjects react to it. does it make them 'happy'
I hate that people refer to meds for mental illness as 'lifestyle drugs'.
i feel this is so misunderstood since i think that unless u have had depression u can never truley understand it or even believe it exists.
I would like people to see some cientific/medical information about the reality of depression. Maybe then they can understand Thanks
Delna
Posted by Bob on November 19, 2003, at 21:57:23
In reply to Re: Demotivated or plain spoilt, posted by delna on November 19, 2003, at 20:51:03
> You know what the real problem is- its not knowing if what we call depression is simply self indulgence and cowardly behaviour. I myself know it isnt but I would love to read any scientific information showing that it is actually a brain disease. Does anyone know of any good papers or sites that talk about this?
> And as for prozac being a sunshine pill- does anyone know anything about how 'normal' subjects react to it. does it make them 'happy'
> I hate that people refer to meds for mental illness as 'lifestyle drugs'.
> i feel this is so misunderstood since i think that unless u have had depression u can never truley understand it or even believe it exists.
> I would like people to see some cientific/medical information about the reality of depression. Maybe then they can understand Thanks
> Delna
Well said, Delna. You've articulated our incessant frustrations.
Posted by delna on November 21, 2003, at 8:38:07
In reply to Re: Demotivated or plain spoilt » delna, posted by Bob on November 19, 2003, at 21:57:23
Please read this article only if u are prepared to get seriously annoyed
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/exist.htm
I am going to ask my psyciatrist for some strong scientific evidence on the subject!!
I will keep u posted on his response.
d
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