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Posted by Maxime on May 28, 2005, at 20:22:56
Hi
I just wanted to know the average amount people gain when they take Nardil. And do you know if it's only from craving carbohydrates or is it metabolic as well.
Thanks.
Maxime
Posted by Phillipa on May 28, 2005, at 20:35:53
In reply to Nardil Weight Gain - how much and cause, posted by Maxime on May 28, 2005, at 20:22:56
Are you thinking of trying it? Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Maxime on May 28, 2005, at 21:27:09
In reply to Re: Nardil Weight Gain - how much and cause » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on May 28, 2005, at 20:35:53
> Are you thinking of trying it? Fondly, Phillipa
Well I did try it and had a awful reaction to it. But it could have been from my asthma medication??? I don't know. The Parnate does help, no doubt about it, but I really want something that will brighten my mood. Parnate helps with apathy and gets me doing. But if I am going to gain a lot of weight on Nardil, my mood won't be so bright.
Maxime
Posted by 4WD on May 28, 2005, at 23:46:37
In reply to Re: Nardil Weight Gain - how much and cause » Phillipa, posted by Maxime on May 28, 2005, at 21:27:09
I have been wondering the same thing. I hope someone here knows. I can't risk it making me ravenously hungry or I'll end up bulimic again. I've been thinking about trying an MAOI and it would probably be Nardil because of the possible agitation/insomnia from Parnate.
Marsha
Posted by Declan on May 28, 2005, at 23:58:58
In reply to Re: Nardil Weight Gain - how much and cause » Phillipa, posted by Maxime on May 28, 2005, at 21:27:09
Hi Maxime
So, was it Scott who said that Nardil may be better as a mood brightener? And Parnate isn't so good at that? Like just feeling pleasant? My son is making a short film he's calling "An ounce of civet", from King Lear.
"Give me an ounce of civet good apothecary. Sweeten my imagination". The good drug guide calls deprenyl a mood brightener, but I dunno.....
Declan
Posted by BIGDaddyachmed69 on May 29, 2005, at 7:31:55
In reply to Re: Nardil Weight Gain - how much and cause, posted by Declan on May 28, 2005, at 23:58:58
I don't know how much or the cause, but my psychiatrist did warn me about weight gain on Nardil in addition to drowsiness. I'm like great, I already get more than my fair share of both of those on Depakote. I've gained going on 50 lbs. since I started taking it last summer...up until then I was twig. I haven't gained any weight since we added the Nardil, luckily, but I haven't been on it that long.
On a different note, it seems like you guys are saying that Nardil is the better mood brightener of the two MAOIs. My psychiatrist felt that Parnate was better for depression, so I took that to mean it was probably better for those in need of a boost. My mood isn't what I would call bright, but the anxiety is under control. If going on Parnate would make that aspect worse, then it'd sure be nice to find something that eliminates both depression AND anxiety.
Posted by Maxime on May 29, 2005, at 11:09:17
In reply to I want to know this too » Maxime, posted by 4WD on May 28, 2005, at 23:46:37
Hi
I have a friend who has the WORSE social anxiety possible so it made sense for her to try the Nardil first. It made her a walking Zombie. Now she has been on Parnate and for the first time in 10 years her depression is gone and so is her social anxiety and she gains weight on Parnate.So you never really know until you try. But I am just really scared to try. I don't know how to describe my mood from Parnate ... it's "up". I'm not as flat and apathetic. I guess I am curious about the different effect. I still get very down and suicidal while I am on it. It doesn't last for weeks or months like before, but it happens.
Maxime
> I have been wondering the same thing. I hope someone here knows. I can't risk it making me ravenously hungry or I'll end up bulimic again. I've been thinking about trying an MAOI and it would probably be Nardil because of the possible agitation/insomnia from Parnate.
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> Marsha
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Posted by Maxime on May 29, 2005, at 16:14:20
In reply to Re: I want to know this too.Big Daddy 4WD, posted by Maxime on May 29, 2005, at 11:09:17
Hi
I was doing some reading and found out that most people gain around 20 pounds from Nardil. I still don't know if it is just from cravings or if it's metabolic. My guess it's both. Apparantly Nardil can cause a lot of fluid retention.
I hope more people will post how much they gained on this med.
Maxime
Posted by Maxime on May 29, 2005, at 16:33:38
In reply to Re: The average weight gain is 20 pounds!, posted by Maxime on May 29, 2005, at 16:14:20
Hi Tep,
Have you gained weight since you started taking Nardil? If yes, how much have you gained and what dosage are you at?
Maxime
Posted by Declan on May 29, 2005, at 17:11:04
In reply to Re: The average weight gain is 20 pounds!, posted by Maxime on May 29, 2005, at 16:14:20
Does anyone know what the fluid retention (oedema?, difficulty in urination?) is all about?
Posted by gardenergirl on May 30, 2005, at 1:39:03
In reply to Re: The average weight gain is 20 pounds!, posted by Declan on May 29, 2005, at 17:11:04
I wish I knew what causes the urinary retention and edema. I get pretty significant edema in my legs and feet at higher doses. That's one of the reasons I just added Lamictal. Hopefully I can lower Nardil back to 45 mg, a dose that doesn't give me as much trouble with SE's.
Regarding weight gain, my weight gain has been higher likely because I don't exercise. I am pretty sedentary. :( And I have a huge sweet tooth.
As an aside, I did lower from 67.5 to 60 mg a few days ago. And oh boy, the myoclonic jerks are back. And I had a dream last night for the first time in months. Or rather, I remembered a dream.
gg
Posted by Chairman_MAO on June 2, 2005, at 9:28:27
In reply to Re: The average weight gain is 20 pounds!, posted by gardenergirl on May 30, 2005, at 1:39:03
I take 90mg/day phenelzine and still remember dreams. Also, I still remembered dreams on 200mg/day tranylcypromine. What the hell is up with THAT? Should I keep raising the dose until REM is suppressed? ;)
Posted by gardenergirl on June 2, 2005, at 15:28:53
In reply to Re: The average weight gain is 20 pounds! » gardenergirl, posted by Chairman_MAO on June 2, 2005, at 9:28:27
> I take 90mg/day phenelzine and still remember dreams. Also, I still remembered dreams on 200mg/day tranylcypromine. What the hell is up with THAT? Should I keep raising the dose until REM is suppressed? ;)
SLS posted below saying that he wondered if dream suppresion is an indication of therapeutic levels of MAOI's. My own experience is that I've felt good at different levels, based on situation and whether I am in a depressive episode at the time or not. I need more in those times. But I don't necessarily correlate dream suppresion with how I'm doing with depression.I haven't paid all that much attention, though. So he COULD be on to something...if you feel good at your current dose, I would say go with that, dreams or not.
gg
Posted by ed_uk on June 2, 2005, at 15:58:19
In reply to Re: The average weight gain is 20 pounds! » gardenergirl, posted by Chairman_MAO on June 2, 2005, at 9:28:27
Hi!
>Also, I still remembered dreams on 200mg/day tranylcypromine. What the hell is up with THAT? Should I keep raising the dose until REM is suppressed? ;)
AFAIK, you can dream in non-REM sleep as well as in REM sleep. Perhaps your REM sleep *is* suppressed?
Kind regards,
Ed.
Posted by Chairman_MAO on June 3, 2005, at 10:39:37
In reply to Re: The average weight gain is 20 pounds! » Chairman_MAO, posted by ed_uk on June 2, 2005, at 15:58:19
Hmm, yeah, I always kinda guessed that on MAOIs, whatever happens during the abolished phase(s) of sleep gets redistributed in some way to the other phases that are intact.
Did not know that dreaming happened not in REM, though. I learn something new every day, that's for sure. Actually, you taught me TWO new things today (the chromium was the other). Good show. :)
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