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Posted by Quintal on February 25, 2007, at 14:59:42
In reply to Resilience » laima, posted by Declan on February 25, 2007, at 2:39:55
>How do you increase resilience?
Increase cortisol? According to 'The Sun' there's a pill in development that can do this safely. So there you are.
Q
Posted by Declan on February 25, 2007, at 17:17:34
In reply to Re: Resilience » Declan, posted by Quintal on February 25, 2007, at 14:59:42
Opiates are unexcelled in creating the illusion of resilience.
By contrast, in opiate withdrawawl it is impossible to do anything.
(I've forgotten what this thread's about.)
Posted by laima on February 25, 2007, at 20:31:43
In reply to Re: Resilience » Declan, posted by Quintal on February 25, 2007, at 14:59:42
Huh? I thought excess cortisol = stress and weight gain? What's the story, what's the med?
> >How do you increase resilience?
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> Increase cortisol? According to 'The Sun' there's a pill in development that can do this safely. So there you are.
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> Q
Posted by Quintal on February 25, 2007, at 21:29:10
In reply to Re: Resilience » Quintal, posted by laima on February 25, 2007, at 20:31:43
That's true. It's also true that cortisol improves resillience and helps us cope with stress, reduces the need for sleep and produces a feeling of euphoria and wellbeing. Hence those side effects in people being treated with steroids for infammitory conditions.I've read of people using small doses of prednisone to treat chronic fatigue syndrome with success.
http://www.remedyfind.com/treatments/6/2137/
Q
Posted by Phillipa on February 25, 2007, at 21:43:54
In reply to Re: Resilience, posted by Quintal on February 25, 2007, at 21:29:10
Difference between cortisol and cortisone as cortisone killed my Mother? And I thought cortisone could make you psychotic or very anxious? Love Phillipa
Posted by laima on February 25, 2007, at 21:59:15
In reply to Re: Resilience, posted by Quintal on February 25, 2007, at 21:29:10
Really? I won't question your information, but I'm still confused- perhaps there's nuance to it? Or it's a matter of levels or type? I say this, for I had a friend who (god, this is really malpractice) was somehow misdiagnosed with an endocrine problem of some sort by some renowned "expert" specialist- and to make a long story short, she was put on cortisol supplementation, and it made her very, very depressed and agitated and angry in temperment, she gained a severe amount of weight, and appeared to age rapidly- all in about six months. She literally looked 20-30 years older after about six months of this "therapy", and some of the changes appear possibly permanent. A thirty year old who easily passes for over 50-55. So- cortisol is complicated, maybe?
> That's true. It's also true that cortisol improves resillience and helps us cope with stress, reduces the need for sleep and produces a feeling of euphoria and wellbeing. Hence those side effects in people being treated with steroids for infammitory conditions.I've read of people using small doses of prednisone to treat chronic fatigue syndrome with success.
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> http://www.remedyfind.com/treatments/6/2137/
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> Q
Posted by Quintal on February 25, 2007, at 22:10:05
In reply to Re: Resilience » Quintal, posted by laima on February 25, 2007, at 21:59:15
Yes, the level of cortisol is very important. Usually only people who have an infuffuciency would benefit from it. It can be lethal if taken to excess for prolonged periods - as in Phillipa's mother. You'll have heard of adrenal insufficiency? They have poor stress coping abilities due to insufficient cortisol and they need more to be able to function properly. Some people do become depressed and irritable when taking steriods but euphoria is more common. Perhaps and excess of cortisol causes this?
Q
Posted by Phillipa on February 25, 2007, at 22:31:36
In reply to Re: Resilience, posted by Quintal on February 25, 2007, at 22:10:05
Q my sister gets poison ivy yearly and has to take the medrol pack which is cortisone and she dreads it as she get so anxious and aggitated and angry. And my Mother also got osteoporosis from it and was psychotic my childhood was her throwing temper tantrums blaming me for her psoriasis and foaming at the mouth she was so hostile. So it's a powerful med.Love Phillipa
Posted by laima on February 25, 2007, at 22:39:11
In reply to Re: Resilience, posted by Quintal on February 25, 2007, at 22:10:05
I think that must be what happened to this friend of mine. A real tragedy of medical mismanagement. She didn't get any of the euphoria part, either. Very tragic story. In reality- turned out she actually had an undiagnosed brain tumour, and the excess cortisol made it worse.
> Yes, the level of cortisol is very important. Usually only people who have an infuffuciency would benefit from it. It can be lethal if taken to excess for prolonged periods - as in Phillipa's mother. You'll have heard of adrenal insufficiency? They have poor stress coping abilities due to insufficient cortisol and they need more to be able to function properly. Some people do become depressed and irritable when taking steriods but euphoria is more common. Perhaps and excess of cortisol causes this?
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> Q
Posted by Quintal on February 25, 2007, at 22:44:59
In reply to Re: Resilience » Quintal, posted by Phillipa on February 25, 2007, at 22:31:36
Yes, it is a powerful med Phillipa, but your mother had those problems because she was prescribed too much for too long. Just like a person would become psychotic from taking amphetamines in excess for long periods of time. Some people ebcome agitated and irritable on them too, but most feel euphoria.
Q
Posted by Phillipa on February 26, 2007, at 18:10:40
In reply to Re: Resilience » Quintal, posted by laima on February 25, 2007, at 22:39:11
Laima that's horrible. Did she survive? Love Phillipa
Posted by laima on February 26, 2007, at 18:24:14
In reply to Re: Resilience » laima, posted by Phillipa on February 26, 2007, at 18:10:40
> Laima that's horrible. Did she survive? Love Phillipa
I hope so- her personality changed drastically with the tumour, (she became ferociously angry and was seemingly provoked by any and everything)- and she moved far away. It's not a very comfortable situation, and I think of her with great concern, often. But she won't return calls-angry.
Posted by Phillipa on February 26, 2007, at 20:05:39
In reply to Re: Resilience » Phillipa, posted by laima on February 26, 2007, at 18:24:14
But you didn't do anything to her did you? Love Phillipa
Posted by laima on February 28, 2007, at 9:08:59
In reply to Re: Resilience » laima, posted by Phillipa on February 26, 2007, at 20:05:39
> But you didn't do anything to her did you? Love Phillipa
No, it was "equal opportunity anger"- anyone and everyone and everything for the most surprising and seemingly insignificant reasons. It would flash on suddenly, and was definately biologically induced. Extremely tragic situation, and she didn't ever seem to recognize it. Ethically, the situation was very difficult: don't ever want to avoid a friend in trouble, but it became extremely difficult to be constantly yelled at and to be accused of all kinds of offenses, like saying "hi".
Posted by Squiggles on March 2, 2007, at 8:53:53
In reply to Re: Resilience » Declan, posted by laima on February 25, 2007, at 9:36:17
I think they're sociopaths without
a police record. (hard-wired) :-)Squiggles
Posted by laima on March 2, 2007, at 16:34:21
In reply to Re: Resilience, posted by Squiggles on March 2, 2007, at 8:53:53
But you don't understand! She was a very kind and thoughtful person, until the tumour grew in her brain-that's not her fault. It changed her personality dramatically, and she couldn't even see that. It happened very, very suddenly. So confusing. I guess you're kidding, I see the smile.> I think they're sociopaths without
> a police record. (hard-wired) :-)
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> Squiggles
Posted by Squiggles on March 2, 2007, at 17:59:35
In reply to Re: Resilience » Squiggles, posted by laima on March 2, 2007, at 16:34:21
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> But you don't understand! She was a very kind and thoughtful person, until the tumour grew in her brain-that's not her fault. It changed her personality dramatically, and she couldn't even see that. It happened very, very suddenly. So confusing. I guess you're kidding, I see the smile.
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> > I think they're sociopaths without
> > a police record. (hard-wired) :-)
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> > Squiggles
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>Yup -- sorry, i jumped to conclusions.
Squiggles
Posted by laima on March 2, 2007, at 18:25:14
In reply to Re: Resilience, posted by Squiggles on March 2, 2007, at 17:59:35
That's ok- a lot of people did.A lot of us on this board struggle with mood disorders, what it means to "personality" to be on meds- but geez, we must thank our lucky stars to not have a tumour like that on top of a mood disorder. INTENSE. (I hope no one here does.)
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> Yup -- sorry, i jumped to conclusions.
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> Squiggles
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Posted by Squiggles on March 2, 2007, at 18:51:18
In reply to Re: Resilience » Squiggles, posted by laima on March 2, 2007, at 18:25:14
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> That's ok- a lot of people did.
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> A lot of us on this board struggle with mood disorders, what it means to "personality" to be on meds- but geez, we must thank our lucky stars to not have a tumour like that on top of a mood disorder. INTENSE. (I hope no one here does.)
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> >You must be a member of the Optimist Club.
Squiggles
Posted by laima on March 2, 2007, at 19:21:02
In reply to Re: Resilience, posted by Squiggles on March 2, 2007, at 18:51:18
Ha! I try, but the "attempt to keep a sense of humour in face of tragedy club" is even better. But this wasn't humorous, just really threw up some tough questions such as, "who IS this person"? Who IS anyone? Same person, new personality? Huh?
Can you get mad at and dismiss someone who is a friend suffering from a personality damaging tumour?> > >
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> You must be a member of the Optimist Club.
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> Squiggles
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Posted by Squiggles on March 2, 2007, at 19:50:19
In reply to Re: Resilience » Squiggles, posted by laima on March 2, 2007, at 19:21:02
No. It must be hard.
Posted by laima on March 2, 2007, at 23:04:38
In reply to Re: Resilience, posted by Squiggles on March 2, 2007, at 19:50:19
Yes, it really is, Thank you. I "lost" a good friend- over something oranic, a sudden and astonishingly severe illness, which utterly confounds me. Truely, it was only a matter of a couple weeks. I wanted to keep being a friend, understanding and sympathetic, and supportive, but there's only so much yelling and conspiracy theories even a saint could stand, let alone a mortal like me. She made other people cry, by accusing them over the most incomprehnsable "incompentencies" and offenses. "Who are we"? "Who is anyone"? We aren't in touch anymore; even "how are you feeling?" was trigger for a barrage of "how the f*ck dare you ask that"? Well, wow. So it has been. I don't know how she is now, though I have best wishes, despite the abuse. I can't get over-that this is an organic disorder, a proven tumour, and it's not her fault. She says it's the government's fault, and has many lawsuits pending on everyone from the government, all her doctors, neighbors- you name it.> No. It must be hard.
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Posted by Squiggles on March 3, 2007, at 11:52:52
In reply to Re: Resilience » Squiggles, posted by laima on March 2, 2007, at 23:04:38
Has your friend been diagnosed by a neurologist?
You say it was "oranic"-- i think you mean 'organic'?; and over two weeks-- hmm, that does sound like food poisoning, or cerebral accident, or hormonal, or something that was developing and not noticed.Any reports from the doctors and how to treat it?
Squiggles
Posted by Phillipa on March 3, 2007, at 17:42:29
In reply to Re: Resilience, posted by Squiggles on March 3, 2007, at 11:52:52
Squiggles good question as when I read the last post it almost sounded like a break from reality like some sort of schizophrenic or something like that break. Wonder what the age? No MRI or did I miss that or forget as my mind doesn't retain info for long. If it was mention my sincerest apologies. Love Phillipa ps just got online and this was where I left off.
Posted by Quintal on March 3, 2007, at 18:10:30
In reply to Re: Resilience » Squiggles, posted by Phillipa on March 3, 2007, at 17:42:29
I thought laima was talking about a brain tumour? In which case I would imagine an MRI or CAT scan would have been performed at some point in order to diagnose it?
Q
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