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Posted by clubfitter on November 6, 2007, at 13:03:23
Trying to gather information about the effectiveness of both of these drugs. Particuarly side effects, how long they take to kick in, and how easy they are to get prescribed. Any feedback at all would be appreciated. Thanks!
Posted by Questionmark on November 12, 2007, at 1:18:04
In reply to Nardil vs. Parnate experiences, posted by clubfitter on November 6, 2007, at 13:03:23
First, they are pretty hard to get prescribed-- more-so if not near an urban area.
They didn't take long at all to have an effect. (I don't know if that's typical though.) Parnate that day; Nardil maybe a few days.
For me:
Parnate-
Very catecholaminergic, so to speak. Much more emotional (bad and good, was mostly bad for me). Anxiety a little worse. Somewhat less appetite. Wonderfully powerful libido and sexual pleasure. Cognitively improved, except for aggravated obsessive-compulsive & perfectionistic tendencies. More capable of being severely painfully depressed. Bad insomnia. Daytime drowsiness at times. Enhanced creativity (?).
Nardil-
Far less anxiety. Vastly unbelievably improved depression. Vastly increased sociability. Some flattening of affect/emotions. Decreased sex drive and sexual pleasure. Anorgasmia or long time until orgasm. Significant constipation. Increased [subjective at least] internal body heat. Sweat more easily. Significant dry mouth. Moderate urinary retention. Somewhat cognitively duller (less creative, quick, etc.), at least I think. Foggier long term memory(???) though not sure if that's true or just my perception.Hope that helps.
> Trying to gather information about the effectiveness of both of these drugs. Particuarly side effects, how long they take to kick in, and how easy they are to get prescribed. Any feedback at all would be appreciated. Thanks!
Posted by medweirdo on November 14, 2007, at 11:57:00
In reply to Re: Nardil vs. Parnate experiences, posted by Questionmark on November 12, 2007, at 1:18:04
Questionmark, have you tried the "new
" Nardil" or the "old"?(the old is before 2003 and new is after it). if you tried the new "one" Nardil, what was the manufacturer of it? Pfizer or EFRA?
I know that in the US people get Pfizer's and in Canada EFRA's.
Sorry to bother you with so misleading questions.Thank you for answering.
> First, they are pretty hard to get prescribed-- more-so if not near an urban area.
> They didn't take long at all to have an effect. (I don't know if that's typical though.) Parnate that day; Nardil maybe a few days.
> For me:
> Parnate-
> Very catecholaminergic, so to speak. Much more emotional (bad and good, was mostly bad for me). Anxiety a little worse. Somewhat less appetite. Wonderfully powerful libido and sexual pleasure. Cognitively improved, except for aggravated obsessive-compulsive & perfectionistic tendencies. More capable of being severely painfully depressed. Bad insomnia. Daytime drowsiness at times. Enhanced creativity (?).
> Nardil-
> Far less anxiety. Vastly unbelievably improved depression. Vastly increased sociability. Some flattening of affect/emotions. Decreased sex drive and sexual pleasure. Anorgasmia or long time until orgasm. Significant constipation. Increased [subjective at least] internal body heat. Sweat more easily. Significant dry mouth. Moderate urinary retention. Somewhat cognitively duller (less creative, quick, etc.), at least I think. Foggier long term memory(???) though not sure if that's true or just my perception.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>
> > Trying to gather information about the effectiveness of both of these drugs. Particuarly side effects, how long they take to kick in, and how easy they are to get prescribed. Any feedback at all would be appreciated. Thanks!
>
>
Posted by Questionmark on November 15, 2007, at 0:48:17
In reply to Re: Nardil vs. Parnate experiences, posted by medweirdo on November 14, 2007, at 11:57:00
No problem. I've only ever been on the "new" Nardil-- Pfizer's formulation.
I didn't know that Canadians had a different brand of Nardil than Pfizer. That's interesting. I was aware I think that either the U.K. (& Europe?) or Australia or both also use a different form than Pfizer's, but not Canada. Do you know if the... EFRA, i guess it is... formulation is believed to be significantly better than the Pfizer formulation at all?> Questionmark, have you tried the "new
> " Nardil" or the "old"?(the old is before 2003 and new is after it). if you tried the new "one" Nardil, what was the manufacturer of it? Pfizer or EFRA?
> I know that in the US people get Pfizer's and in Canada EFRA's.
> Sorry to bother you with so misleading questions.
>
> Thank you for answering.
Posted by medweirdo on November 15, 2007, at 7:27:05
In reply to Re: Nardil vs. Parnate experiences » medweirdo, posted by Questionmark on November 15, 2007, at 0:48:17
I can't really tell.
What I really know right now that I've heard at least one man of each of these 2 brands who uses or used Nardil and responded very well to the drug(all after reformulation). I wanted to be sure that both brands can actually work for people since some people complain about decreasing in effectiveness of the drug.http://www.stratguitar.com/nmember/nardil_contents.php
Here I can see that there is no much different between the two after the reformulation.
So the bottom line is I'm much less suspicion about it. =)
Posted by FredPotter on November 17, 2007, at 0:42:12
In reply to Re: Nardil vs. Parnate experiences, posted by Questionmark on November 12, 2007, at 1:18:04
Thanks for your post. I've been taking Nardil for months and gradually worked up to 90mg a day as my weight is 91Kg. There were a few weeks when I fely mildly euphoric but that faded into normality. I'm now decreasing the dose gradually to try the maintenance on a small dose idea. I put on weight around my abdomen on 90mg and my blood sugar went up (I'm diabetic II) so I cannot risk my life in this way.
Now on 45mg I've lost some weight. I haven't found an increase in appetite on Nardil though so this is a metabolic thing. Is there something to take which will prevent this, and sexual dysfunction?
I rarely drink, but last night had a few glasses of wine. This morning I didn't have a hangover, but felt I was coming apart with anxiety and depression. What's going on I wonder?
Fred
Posted by Questionmark on November 29, 2007, at 22:53:52
In reply to Re: Nardil vs. Parnate experiences » Questionmark, posted by FredPotter on November 17, 2007, at 0:42:12
Nardil does increase my appetite significantly (though not at all extreme like say Remeron), but that may just be due to its antidepressant effects primarily.
I have never found anything to relieve the diminished sexual response from Nardil, except maybe yohimbe (/yohimbine) (which is technically contraindicated and you have to be careful not to take too much) and, slightly & temporarily, stimulants.
Not sure about the wine thing exactly.> Thanks for your post. I've been taking Nardil for months and gradually worked up to 90mg a day as my weight is 91Kg. There were a few weeks when I fely mildly euphoric but that faded into normality. I'm now decreasing the dose gradually to try the maintenance on a small dose idea. I put on weight around my abdomen on 90mg and my blood sugar went up (I'm diabetic II) so I cannot risk my life in this way.
>
> Now on 45mg I've lost some weight. I haven't found an increase in appetite on Nardil though so this is a metabolic thing. Is there something to take which will prevent this, and sexual dysfunction?
>
> I rarely drink, but last night had a few glasses of wine. This morning I didn't have a hangover, but felt I was coming apart with anxiety and depression. What's going on I wonder?
>
> Fred
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