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Posted by manic 666 on July 22, 2009, at 13:09:04
this guy ed is his name, is in a bad way with a mixed bag of mental meltdown, he works under great stress at the airport maintinace on the passenger planes , he has a 2 hour round trip to work all freeway rush hour driveing,he has had time off work before an payed for a councilor to come see him.but he has a major flaw ?he wont take meds ,the doc put him on citalopram. he lasted 4 days an bailed out , i told him you get worse before better , he said he carnt stand the the way meds mess with his head. i told him thats normal an will pass with time, but he wont have it , he said i will ride it out, he has dropped about 2 stone in weight ,there must be millions like him , ill but scared of meds, it will end in tears but he wont have it.its hard to watch someone you no in distress but carnt help
Posted by Phillipa on July 22, 2009, at 13:17:33
In reply to a guy across my road , how can he be helped, posted by manic 666 on July 22, 2009, at 13:09:04
Manic you're a good man. I know many who refuse to take meds and somehow they work it out. Seems they process things differently. Me I'm also afraid of meds. I almost vomited the first time I took synthroid. If he's not of danger to self or of harming someone I don't think you can do anything. Be a great friend let him talk. Now of course not being there can't see how bad off he is. Phillipa
Posted by Zana on July 22, 2009, at 15:39:23
In reply to Re: a guy across my road , how can he be helped » manic 666, posted by Phillipa on July 22, 2009, at 13:17:33
It is good of you to be concerned about your friend. I agree with Phillipa that theres not much you can do except to continue being a good, concerned friend. It's hard to feel helpless. Maybe he will find his own way of working through this. Having good friends like you can only help.
Zana
Posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on July 24, 2009, at 6:56:38
In reply to a guy across my road , how can he be helped, posted by manic 666 on July 22, 2009, at 13:09:04
> this guy ed is his name, is in a bad way with a mixed bag of mental meltdown, he works under great stress at the airport maintinace on the passenger planes , he has a 2 hour round trip to work all freeway rush hour driveing,he has had time off work before an payed for a councilor to come see him.but he has a major flaw ?he wont take meds ,the doc put him on citalopram. he lasted 4 days an bailed out , i told him you get worse before better , he said he carnt stand the the way meds mess with his head. i told him thats normal an will pass with time, but he wont have it , he said i will ride it out, he has dropped about 2 stone in weight ,there must be millions like him , ill but scared of meds, it will end in tears but he wont have it.its hard to watch someone you no in distress but carnt help
Citalprofram may not be right for him. Also meds aren't for everyone. Many AD's can make everything much worse. I personally don't like SSRI's.
They can increase cortisol and adrenalin to the point of exhaustion
Inhibit melatonin and thus sleep.
Decrease dopamine and increase prolactin.
Decrease LH,FSH and testosterone.
Decrease growth hormone(some kids in puberty don't grow when they take SSRIs)
Decreased testosterone, growth hormone, increased cortisol or adrenal fatigue can furtherly decrease thyroid hormones.
This negative impact on hormones can cause insulin resistance and furthur wreck havoc on hormones and neurotransmittesr.
Cause sexual side effects, sleeplessness, akathsia, anxiety.
All in all he may be wiser man for not sticking it out.
Posted by manic 666 on July 24, 2009, at 12:38:25
In reply to Re: a guy across my road , how can he be helped, posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on July 24, 2009, at 6:56:38
to true alexandra, they can make you worse ,thats why i dont like threads were kids at colledge are put on a.ds , let them grow up naturaly not turn to meds every time a tough exam crops up, but they also save your life,if mentally ill they are all you have an ssri,s have come top in being the most likely to work for most people were would we be without prozac. you read off a load of side effects all meds give ,thats the trade off, nothings for free.ed the guy im talking obout is of the old school ,he dont think he may be mentally ill , he may not be i dont no,he is getting out an about now , something i carnt do if suffering a depression attack , so you and he may be right it could be stress,but it happens far to offten with him , he looked to the g.p , who labled him depessed an gave hime a ssri,s the only thing he could do when faced with a man in distress, he chose not to take it , if trully in trouble he would have stuck it out for the trial but he bailed, that puts a question mark against how bad he may be,i have stuck with meds like effexor that was totally bad for me ,side effects like hair loss plus loads more, but i finished the trial as how do you no if you dont,he has had a therapist visit his home in the past , payed for by himself,but you carnt keep asking a gp for help an then not takeing his advice , what is the point of that
Posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on July 25, 2009, at 9:49:54
In reply to Re: a guy across my road , how can he be helped, posted by manic 666 on July 24, 2009, at 12:38:25
"> to true alexandra, they can make you worse ,thats why i dont like threads were kids at colledge are put on a.ds , let them grow up naturaly not turn to meds every time a tough exam crops up, but they also save your life,if mentally ill they are all you have an ssri,s have come top in being the most likely to work for most people were would we be without prozac. you read off a load of side effects all meds give ,thats the trade off, nothings for free.ed the guy im talking obout is of the old school ,he dont think he may be mentally ill , he may not be i dont no,he is getting out an about now , something i carnt do if suffering a depression attack , so you and he may be right it could be stress,but it happens far to offten with him , he looked to the g.p , who labled him depessed an gave hime a ssri,s the only thing he could do when faced with a man in distress, he chose not to take it , if trully in trouble he would have stuck it out for the trial but he bailed, that puts a question mark against how bad he may be,i have stuck with meds like effexor that was totally bad for me ,side effects like hair loss plus loads more, but i finished the trial as how do you no if you dont,he has had a therapist visit his home in the past , payed for by himself,but you carnt keep asking a gp for help an then not takeing his advice , what is the point of that"
Yeah, I understand what you mean. But there are other meds on the market than Celexa. I for one regret trusting my psychiatrist, because of his regime, I am now much much worse off than I ever was with medicin induced hypogonadism thanks to lexapro. Now this dosn't matter to anyone else, but to me it's the worst case scenario and it has really ruined my life the last few years.
That's why I personally tend to agree with this website.
http://www.mens-hormonal-health.com/best-antidepressant.html
Of his best antidepressant list, I suppose I would add Agomelatine, Aminepine and Stablon.
Posted by manic 666 on July 25, 2009, at 12:38:23
In reply to Re: a guy across my road , how can he be helped, posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on July 25, 2009, at 9:49:54
you wont add anything on in england, you get one med an maby a small amount of a benzo, till the ad kicks in, the n.h s is free so you dont pay for you shrink an the meds a one price if in work ,or free if not , so you get the basic ad.i had a re script for ativan , when i didnt use them i saved them,when i had breakdown i had hundreds of them ,that why i bacame addicted to 10 mm a day
Posted by manic 666 on July 25, 2009, at 13:09:20
In reply to Re: a guy across my road , how can he be helped, posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on July 24, 2009, at 6:56:38
i read your link , it means nothing only a better sex life i have been on remeron ie mirt , an it a fat makeing drug of the worse kind,what good is sex if your 4 stone over weight,no the nhs doc can only prescibe whats on his list, not what he likes , the hospital shrink can give you a different med,and in hospital maby a combo , but not a gp.i have taken countless ad,s that dont work for me, if your ill you move to the next,how come you didnt come off yours an move on.if the guy has been going to the gp a asking for help,he would look on his list for the least side effects on a new patient, he would rule out other meds like effexor for there terrible side effects,you have had a bad med ,i have had loads move on to the next ,there is one somwhere
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