![[dr. bob]](/dr-bob-sm.gif)
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.orgShown: posts 1 to 14 of 14. This is the beginning of the thread.
Posted by jms600 on January 27, 2010, at 16:04:30
As part of my fairly severe GAD, panic disorder and unipolar depression, I constantly get what cognitive behavioral therapists term 'unhelpful thoughts'. If I'm walking with a friend down the street I get thoughts of pushing them into an oncoming car. If I'm at home eating, I get thoughts of stabbing a family member in the eye with a fork. If I'm in the supermarket I get thoughts of shouting and punching somebody standing next to me.
I don't think these thoughts are a sign of psychosis. I find them very distressing and very upsetting - as well as giving me terrible panic attacks - but I still get them. There seems to be no reasoning behind them - they just occur in my mind and I'm absolutely terrified that one day I may just carry one of these thoughts out...
I've been through 6 months of CBT but it hasn't helped all that much. I was therefore wondering (and hoping) that there was a medication out there that could help?? I'm currently taking 150mg Effexor, 600mg lithium, 600mg Lyrica and 40mg buspirone.
Can anyone offer any advice?
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 27, 2010, at 16:39:58
In reply to Can medications stop 'unhelpful' thoughts??????, posted by jms600 on January 27, 2010, at 16:04:30
> As part of my fairly severe GAD, panic disorder and unipolar depression, I constantly get what cognitive behavioral therapists term 'unhelpful thoughts'. If I'm walking with a friend down the street I get thoughts of pushing them into an oncoming car. If I'm at home eating, I get thoughts of stabbing a family member in the eye with a fork. If I'm in the supermarket I get thoughts of shouting and punching somebody standing next to me.
>
> I don't think these thoughts are a sign of psychosis. I find them very distressing and very upsetting - as well as giving me terrible panic attacks - but I still get them. There seems to be no reasoning behind them - they just occur in my mind and I'm absolutely terrified that one day I may just carry one of these thoughts out...
>
> I've been through 6 months of CBT but it hasn't helped all that much. I was therefore wondering (and hoping) that there was a medication out there that could help?? I'm currently taking 150mg Effexor, 600mg lithium, 600mg Lyrica and 40mg buspirone.
>
> Can anyone offer any advice?jms600,
You wrote,[...can anyone offer advice?...]
I am willing to have dialog with you here if you could consider the topic to be about thoughts, but not about chenmicals to take into your sytem to stop those thoughts. If you are willing to have that type of dialog, then post here your acceptance of the opportunity to know about these thoghts as to how they are reveiled to me. This will come from a Jewish perspective.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 27, 2010, at 17:27:20
In reply to Can medications stop 'unhelpful' thoughts??????, posted by jms600 on January 27, 2010, at 16:04:30
> As part of my fairly severe GAD, panic disorder and unipolar depression, I constantly get what cognitive behavioral therapists term 'unhelpful thoughts'. If I'm walking with a friend down the street I get thoughts of pushing them into an oncoming car. If I'm at home eating, I get thoughts of stabbing a family member in the eye with a fork. If I'm in the supermarket I get thoughts of shouting and punching somebody standing next to me.
>
> I don't think these thoughts are a sign of psychosis. I find them very distressing and very upsetting - as well as giving me terrible panic attacks - but I still get them. There seems to be no reasoning behind them - they just occur in my mind and I'm absolutely terrified that one day I may just carry one of these thoughts out...
>
> I've been through 6 months of CBT but it hasn't helped all that much. I was therefore wondering (and hoping) that there was a medication out there that could help?? I'm currently taking 150mg Effexor, 600mg lithium, 600mg Lyrica and 40mg buspirone.
>
> Can anyone offer any advice?jms600,
You wrote,[...if I am walking..with a friend, I have thoughts of pushing him into an oncomming car..no reasoning behind these thoughts...I may carry one of these thoughts out...].
I have been revealed as to the origin of those type of thoughts and how to overcome them.
Now in the scriptures that the Jews use, a man named Cain killed his brother, Able. Where did the thought that he had to do that come from?
If you are interested in knowing what may be unbeknownst to you, accept this opportunity to come alomg with me. But if you do not want to here from this perspective, then reject this opportunity to know what has been revealed to me.
Lou
Posted by bleauberry on January 27, 2010, at 18:49:54
In reply to Can medications stop 'unhelpful' thoughts??????, posted by jms600 on January 27, 2010, at 16:04:30
Lou might sound a bit "different" from the normal responses here, but honestly, he makes a great point.
That is, treating mental disease is more than pills. Who is behind mental diseases? Would it be God or would it be Satan? Where do those thoughts come from? Are they really yours?
We can't see electricity, but it's there. We can't see air, but it's there. We can't see magnetic fields, but they are there. We can't see the gravitational pull of the moon, but it's there. We can't see, feel, hear, taste, sense, or smell the millions of voices travelling all around us via cellphones. We can't see the radio waves, but they are there. But they are there. Some people immediately reject the idea of angels and evil spirits all around us, because we can't see them. Of course, the Bible says otherwise.
In terms of pills, I don't know what to suggest, except that the task at hand might entail weeding out the one or two current meds that are not doing the job and replacing them with different ones. A bad mistake, as I see it, would be to add yet another med on top of the existing ones.
This particular topic is a bit different than garden variety depression, and in my opinion deserves a more comprehensive approach.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 27, 2010, at 19:12:49
In reply to Re: Can medications stop 'unhelpful' thoughts??????, posted by bleauberry on January 27, 2010, at 18:49:54
> Lou might sound a bit "different" from the normal responses here, but honestly, he makes a great point.
>
> That is, treating mental disease is more than pills. Who is behind mental diseases? Would it be God or would it be Satan? Where do those thoughts come from? Are they really yours?
>
> We can't see electricity, but it's there. We can't see air, but it's there. We can't see magnetic fields, but they are there. We can't see the gravitational pull of the moon, but it's there. We can't see, feel, hear, taste, sense, or smell the millions of voices travelling all around us via cellphones. We can't see the radio waves, but they are there. But they are there. Some people immediately reject the idea of angels and evil spirits all around us, because we can't see them. Of course, the Bible says otherwise.
>
> In terms of pills, I don't know what to suggest, except that the task at hand might entail weeding out the one or two current meds that are not doing the job and replacing them with different ones. A bad mistake, as I see it, would be to add yet another med on top of the existing ones.
>
> This particular topic is a bit different than garden variety depression, and in my opinion deserves a more comprehensive approach.bb,
You wrote,[...Lou...makes a great point...who is behind...the Bible says...].
Where do we go for these answers? In the scriptures that the Jews use,in the book called Isaiah, the 8th chapter, the 19th verse reads,
[...And when they say to you, Seek them that have familiar spirits, and wizards that peep, and that mutter:could not a people seek their God instead?...].
Lou
Posted by floatingbridge on January 27, 2010, at 21:06:43
In reply to Can medications stop 'unhelpful' thoughts??????, posted by jms600 on January 27, 2010, at 16:04:30
Hi,
I have heard that thoughts such as you described as OCD type. Maybe looking into treatment protocols for that might yield some useful info. Not as a diagnosis, but a place to find information.
Distress tolerance skills (usually taught as part of dbt) might help letting intrusive thoughts pass more easily.
Best,
fb
Posted by johnj1 on January 28, 2010, at 21:17:59
In reply to Can medications stop 'unhelpful' thoughts??????, posted by jms600 on January 27, 2010, at 16:04:30
Welcome to pure "O" OCD. The fact that these thoughts bother you is a good sign. Everyone has these types of thoughts from time to time. When you want them to go away that is when you strengthen them. The person without OCD just thinks "that was a weird thought" and lets it go. Us with pure "O" are very distressed by them and they cause us anxiety. Please, Please go to the website below and watch the video. I really like Phillipson. I think he is brilliant and understands OCD as well as any doctor out there. I think I watched the whole video twice back to back the first time.
I generally have not been posting here because I don't care for the politics and shackles on posting anymore but I felt compelled to try and help you. You will be relieved to know you are not alone at all. You are not responsible to thoughts that pop into your head. For example, lets say you watched a movie and there was a lot of fighting with weapons. Later on a thought popped into your head to fork a friend or knife them. It is highly possible that your mind is just processing the movie and so the reptilian brain spit it out like a replay. It means NOTHING. If you try to analyze where it came from it just makes it stronger. The more you dwell on the thought the more grass you rub out from the path in your brain. The less you learn to react the less they will occur. I have actually challenged my brain to come up with better stuff! Then I get bored because it is so ridiculous and then the thoughts just go away. Please check out the link and the video. It will allow you to know you are not the only one and you are not crazy.
Cheers
Posted by Sigismund on January 28, 2010, at 22:32:09
In reply to Re: Can medications stop 'unhelpful' thoughts??????, posted by johnj1 on January 28, 2010, at 21:17:59
>Everyone has these types of thoughts from time to time. When you want them to go away that is when you strengthen them. The person without OCD just thinks "that was a weird thought" and lets it go. Us with pure "O" are very distressed by them and they cause us anxiety.
Absolutely.
We have freedom of thought, and this means all kinds of relatively meaningless crazy stuff comes unasked into our minds, and as you say, the scary thing is that you might conceivably do it, having freedom of action. That's the way it is. But the fact is (just about always) you don't.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 29, 2010, at 6:46:27
In reply to Re: Can medications stop 'unhelpful' thoughts??????, posted by johnj1 on January 28, 2010, at 21:17:59
> Welcome to pure "O" OCD. The fact that these thoughts bother you is a good sign. Everyone has these types of thoughts from time to time. When you want them to go away that is when you strengthen them. The person without OCD just thinks "that was a weird thought" and lets it go. Us with pure "O" are very distressed by them and they cause us anxiety. Please, Please go to the website below and watch the video. I really like Phillipson. I think he is brilliant and understands OCD as well as any doctor out there. I think I watched the whole video twice back to back the first time.
>
> I generally have not been posting here because I don't care for the politics and shackles on posting anymore but I felt compelled to try and help you. You will be relieved to know you are not alone at all. You are not responsible to thoughts that pop into your head. For example, lets say you watched a movie and there was a lot of fighting with weapons. Later on a thought popped into your head to fork a friend or knife them. It is highly possible that your mind is just processing the movie and so the reptilian brain spit it out like a replay. It means NOTHING. If you try to analyze where it came from it just makes it stronger. The more you dwell on the thought the more grass you rub out from the path in your brain. The less you learn to react the less they will occur. I have actually challenged my brain to come up with better stuff! Then I get bored because it is so ridiculous and then the thoughts just go away. Please check out the link and the video. It will allow you to know you are not the only one and you are not crazy.
>
> Cheers
>
> http://www.ocdonline.com/jj1,
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here, and if you could post answers here to the following, then I could have the opportunity to repond accordingly.
In,[...when you want them (the thoughts) to go away that is when you strengthen them...].
A. Could it be possible that when someone wants one these type of thoughts to go away that they will not be strengthened?
In,[...you are not responsible for thoughts that pop into your head...]
B. Are you meaning that as a fact or an opinion or something else?
In,[...it means NOTHING...]
C. Could there be a body of knowlege that indicates that it does mean something?
D.[...the more grass you rub out...]
Could you elaborate on more of what are you wanting to mean by that?
E. In, [...the less you learn to react the less they will occur...]
What constitutes a reaction?
Lou
Posted by janejane on January 29, 2010, at 8:58:13
In reply to Can medications stop 'unhelpful' thoughts??????, posted by jms600 on January 27, 2010, at 16:04:30
Is the effexor helping your other symptoms? If not, maybe switch to a different AD? I think the drugs used for OCD tend to overlap with those used for depression so maybe you can find something that can tackle both at once.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 29, 2010, at 9:18:50
In reply to Re: Can medications stop 'unhelpful' thoughts??????, posted by johnj1 on January 28, 2010, at 21:17:59
> Welcome to pure "O" OCD. The fact that these thoughts bother you is a good sign. Everyone has these types of thoughts from time to time. When you want them to go away that is when you strengthen them. The person without OCD just thinks "that was a weird thought" and lets it go. Us with pure "O" are very distressed by them and they cause us anxiety. Please, Please go to the website below and watch the video. I really like Phillipson. I think he is brilliant and understands OCD as well as any doctor out there. I think I watched the whole video twice back to back the first time.
>
> I generally have not been posting here because I don't care for the politics and shackles on posting anymore but I felt compelled to try and help you. You will be relieved to know you are not alone at all. You are not responsible to thoughts that pop into your head. For example, lets say you watched a movie and there was a lot of fighting with weapons. Later on a thought popped into your head to fork a friend or knife them. It is highly possible that your mind is just processing the movie and so the reptilian brain spit it out like a replay. It means NOTHING. If you try to analyze where it came from it just makes it stronger. The more you dwell on the thought the more grass you rub out from the path in your brain. The less you learn to react the less they will occur. I have actually challenged my brain to come up with better stuff! Then I get bored because it is so ridiculous and then the thoughts just go away. Please check out the link and the video. It will allow you to know you are not the only one and you are not crazy.
>
> Cheers
>
> http://www.ocdonline.com/jj1,
You wrote,[...the reptilian brain...].
I was wondering :
A. if you are aware of the biblical significance of the statement in question?
B. if you are in understanding of the principle of the transducer?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 29, 2010, at 14:36:27
In reply to Lou's request-yayhzgdpsed? » johnj1, posted by Lou Pilder on January 29, 2010, at 9:18:50
> > Welcome to pure "O" OCD. The fact that these thoughts bother you is a good sign. Everyone has these types of thoughts from time to time. When you want them to go away that is when you strengthen them. The person without OCD just thinks "that was a weird thought" and lets it go. Us with pure "O" are very distressed by them and they cause us anxiety. Please, Please go to the website below and watch the video. I really like Phillipson. I think he is brilliant and understands OCD as well as any doctor out there. I think I watched the whole video twice back to back the first time.
> >
> > I generally have not been posting here because I don't care for the politics and shackles on posting anymore but I felt compelled to try and help you. You will be relieved to know you are not alone at all. You are not responsible to thoughts that pop into your head. For example, lets say you watched a movie and there was a lot of fighting with weapons. Later on a thought popped into your head to fork a friend or knife them. It is highly possible that your mind is just processing the movie and so the reptilian brain spit it out like a replay. It means NOTHING. If you try to analyze where it came from it just makes it stronger. The more you dwell on the thought the more grass you rub out from the path in your brain. The less you learn to react the less they will occur. I have actually challenged my brain to come up with better stuff! Then I get bored because it is so ridiculous and then the thoughts just go away. Please check out the link and the video. It will allow you to know you are not the only one and you are not crazy.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > http://www.ocdonline.com/
>
> jj1,
> You wrote,[...the reptilian brain...].
> I was wondering :
> A. if you are aware of the biblical significance of the statement in question?
> B. if you are in understanding of the principle of the transducer?
> Loucorrection,
should be traducer
Lou
Posted by Tony P on January 30, 2010, at 19:50:45
In reply to Can medications stop 'unhelpful' thoughts??????, posted by jms600 on January 27, 2010, at 16:04:30
I found Serzone very effective against middle-of-the-night obsessive thoughts; I don't know how well it works against day-time ones. Unfortunately, S. is no longer available some places (Canada).
As "first-aid", try the following thought-stopper: When hit by a negative thought, without stopping to think it out, try to imagine what your _next_ thought will be. Works for me every time!
Posted by bulldog2 on January 30, 2010, at 22:23:16
In reply to Can medications stop 'unhelpful' thoughts??????, posted by jms600 on January 27, 2010, at 16:04:30
> As part of my fairly severe GAD, panic disorder and unipolar depression, I constantly get what cognitive behavioral therapists term 'unhelpful thoughts'. If I'm walking with a friend down the street I get thoughts of pushing them into an oncoming car. If I'm at home eating, I get thoughts of stabbing a family member in the eye with a fork. If I'm in the supermarket I get thoughts of shouting and punching somebody standing next to me.
>
> I don't think these thoughts are a sign of psychosis. I find them very distressing and very upsetting - as well as giving me terrible panic attacks - but I still get them. There seems to be no reasoning behind them - they just occur in my mind and I'm absolutely terrified that one day I may just carry one of these thoughts out...
>
> I've been through 6 months of CBT but it hasn't helped all that much. I was therefore wondering (and hoping) that there was a medication out there that could help?? I'm currently taking 150mg Effexor, 600mg lithium, 600mg Lyrica and 40mg buspirone.
>
> Can anyone offer any advice?In my case when dopamine is high I get intrusive often disturbing thoughts. Using meds to lower dopamine generally solves the problem.
This is the end of the thread.
Psycho-Babble Medication | Extras | FAQ
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.org
Script revised: February 4, 2008
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl
Copyright 2006-17 Robert Hsiung.
Owned and operated by Dr. Bob LLC and not the University of Chicago.