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Posted by emmanuel98 on May 1, 2010, at 17:50:46
I took 30mg of parnate last summer after being hospitalized with severe suicidal depression and felt fine within 48 hours. Now, nine months later, I am having problems with depression again. Sleeping all the time, not eating, crying. Some of it is situational. I just lost a job, am moving across town. But I'm scared. The depression I was in last summer was hell. What have people used to augment parnate? I'm going to call my p-doc this week and see what he says. Would it help to double the dose? I know 30mg is a low dose.
Posted by stargazer2 on May 1, 2010, at 22:38:01
In reply to parnate not working anymore, posted by emmanuel98 on May 1, 2010, at 17:50:46
I don't know about doubling it, what is the dose of each pill? IT makes sense to increase it by one pill, whatever that dose is...doubling sounds like too much unless the pill size is 30 mg, and then that would be what you would do. If one pill=15 mg, then go up to 45 mg. That is something you can discuss over the phone with your doc to see how that works.
Other than that, adding new things to Parnate would have to be done with your doc's suggestion as adding meds to MAO's, as you know, is tricky.
I added some other things to Nardil such as Seroquel and Lamictal...it is never easy to figure that puzzle out. I think at least an increase in Parnate is where you have to go first. Seroquel can stop your suicidal thoughts dead (sorry the wording) but true, I had that result, so it works.
Posted by Phillipa on May 2, 2010, at 0:18:11
In reply to Re: parnate not working anymore, posted by stargazer2 on May 1, 2010, at 22:38:01
I'm sorry. Stargzer has some good ideas. Phillipa
Posted by emmanuel98 on May 2, 2010, at 0:35:42
In reply to Re: parnate not working anymore, posted by stargazer2 on May 1, 2010, at 22:38:01
Itake 10mg pills, tid.
Posted by ed_uk2010 on May 2, 2010, at 7:31:56
In reply to Re: parnate not working anymore, posted by emmanuel98 on May 2, 2010, at 0:35:42
>I take 10mg pills, tid.
I think it would be helpful to discuss an increase with your doctor. He may suggest a gradual increase eg. to 20mg - 10mg - 10mg initially.
Posted by bulldog2 on May 2, 2010, at 14:09:16
In reply to parnate not working anymore, posted by emmanuel98 on May 1, 2010, at 17:50:46
> I took 30mg of parnate last summer after being hospitalized with severe suicidal depression and felt fine within 48 hours. Now, nine months later, I am having problems with depression again. Sleeping all the time, not eating, crying. Some of it is situational. I just lost a job, am moving across town. But I'm scared. The depression I was in last summer was hell. What have people used to augment parnate? I'm going to call my p-doc this week and see what he says. Would it help to double the dose? I know 30mg is a low dose.
Your dose is to low. I would add 10 mg at a time. Add 10 mg every 5 days so you don't get a hypertensive crisis. But 30 is the bottom of the therapeutic dose. At least go up to 60. But if it works at a lower dose stay there.
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 2, 2010, at 15:15:59
In reply to Re: parnate not working anymore, posted by emmanuel98 on May 2, 2010, at 0:35:42
> Itake 10mg pills, tid.
emman98,
You wrote about wanting to know about dosage concerning Parnate.
First, there is the potential of death from this chemical and the potential to induce a mind-altered state to make you want to kill yourself.
Do you think that before you increase the dose of Parnate, more investigation concerning this drug could be helpful for you to make a more informed decision as to increaseing the dosage or to continue the drug in order to determine if the benefits of taking the drug outweigh the risks? If so, here is a link to 125 reported adverse events including death and the other drugs that the person had in their system.
Lou
http://www.paitientsville.com/medication/parnate_side_effects.htm#reports
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 2, 2010, at 15:23:14
In reply to Lou;s response-bniftzowtwheydariskz? » emmanuel98, posted by Lou Pilder on May 2, 2010, at 15:15:59
> > Itake 10mg pills, tid.
>
> emman98,
> You wrote about wanting to know about dosage concerning Parnate.
> First, there is the potential of death from this chemical and the potential to induce a mind-altered state to make you want to kill yourself.
> Do you think that before you increase the dose of Parnate, more investigation concerning this drug could be helpful for you to make a more informed decision as to increaseing the dosage or to continue the drug in order to determine if the benefits of taking the drug outweigh the risks? If so, here is a link to 125 reported adverse events including death and the other drugs that the person had in their system.
> Lou
> http://www.paitientsville.com/medication/parnate_side_effects.htm#reports
>
>
> corrected
http://www.patientsville.com/medication/parnate_side_effects.htm
Posted by conundrum on May 2, 2010, at 15:50:53
In reply to Lou;s response-bniftzowtwheydariskz? » emmanuel98, posted by Lou Pilder on May 2, 2010, at 15:15:59
Lou why do all your posts have these weird subject lines?
Posted by ed_uk2010 on May 2, 2010, at 16:07:37
In reply to Re: Lou;s response-bniftzowtwheydariskz? » Lou Pilder, posted by conundrum on May 2, 2010, at 15:50:53
> Lou why do all your posts have these weird subject lines?
Looks like a code for storing, searching for or retrieving posts.
Posted by conundrum on May 2, 2010, at 16:22:33
In reply to Re: Lou;s response-bniftzowtwheydariskz? » conundrum, posted by ed_uk2010 on May 2, 2010, at 16:07:37
the end of it is "wheydariskz" = weigh the risks?
Posted by ed_uk2010 on May 2, 2010, at 16:43:23
In reply to Re: Lou;s response-bniftzowtwheydariskz? » ed_uk2010, posted by conundrum on May 2, 2010, at 16:22:33
> the end of it is "wheydariskz" = weigh the risks?
bniftzowtwheydariskz?
Benefits outweigh the risks?
Posted by Phillipa on May 2, 2010, at 20:16:11
In reply to Re: Lou;s response-bniftzowtwheydariskz? » conundrum, posted by ed_uk2010 on May 2, 2010, at 16:43:23
Code broken good work. Phillipa
Posted by emmanuel98 on May 2, 2010, at 22:36:55
In reply to Re: Lou;s response-bniftzowtwheydariskz?, posted by Phillipa on May 2, 2010, at 20:16:11
I resent Lou'sposts. They are inevitably anti-med and seem to imply that meds cause suicidal ideation. I want to make clear that I was in the hospital after a suicide attempt (was not on meds at all), was started on parnate and the suicidal ideation went away.
Posted by stargazer2 on May 2, 2010, at 23:49:40
In reply to Re: Lou;s response-bniftzowtwheydariskz? » conundrum, posted by ed_uk2010 on May 2, 2010, at 16:43:23
Good code cracking...you should get a job with CSI!
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 3, 2010, at 4:41:54
In reply to Re: Lou;s response-bniftzowtwheydariskz?, posted by emmanuel98 on May 2, 2010, at 22:36:55
Friends,
It is written here statements about what I post here. I am asking you to be fair and balanced in making any conclusion about what I post here.
You see, I want to save lives if I can. And I think that if people here have education concerning psychoactive chemicals {before} they take them, that there could be a more informed decision made by the person wanting to take psychoactive chemicals.
Then there are those already taking the drugs that could be addicted to them. They could be warned of potential serious consequences of discontinuing the drug without the supervision of a doctor trained in addiction withdrawal.
Then there is the potential of the drug inducing a mind-altered state to compel a person to want to kill themselves. Then there are the effects that the drug can cause to the body that could lead to sudden death or life-ruining states like tardive dyskinesia and neuroleptic malignant syndrom which could cause death.
Then there is the aspect of how these chemicals are made, and what the drugs are made of. I think that if one knew of what they were putting in their body that that infomation could be educational and help them to make a more informed decision as to if they wanted to put the chemical in the drug in their system and more aspects about these type of chemicals.
Then there is the aspect of the placebo effect. Innitially, if one thinks that a drug will make them feel better, they could feel better by what is known as the placebo effect. But later the placebo effect could vanish and teh effects of the chemicals on the mind of the person could take over and there is the potential for the drug to induce a mind-altered state so that the person wants to kill themselves, or the chemical in the drug could cause death by heart attack or bleeding in the brain or other causes.
Now all I really want to do is be friends with you. I'm not lookin' for you to stop all meds, just to give facts that might prevent some deaths.
Lou
Here is a video that I would like for those here that are considering posting in this thread to watch. Then you could have more infomation as to if the benefits outweigh the risks. You can do so by:
A. bring up google
B. Type in:
youtube,Dangers of Antidepressants Supressed )fox News)
Posted by conundrum on May 3, 2010, at 7:47:29
In reply to Lou;s request-bobdyl, posted by Lou Pilder on May 3, 2010, at 4:41:54
I can't say I totally disagree with what lou is doing, though the coding I don't understand. There is a black box warning on all antidepressants stating that they can make people suicidal for a reason. It isn't something Lou made up, also companies, Eli Lilly with Prozac, comes to mind that covered up studies that showed prozac increased suicidal ideation. The same company also got sued for diabetes caused by zyprexa.
It can be good to have someone watching out because the drug companies sure aren't.
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 3, 2010, at 8:44:45
In reply to Re: Lou;s request-bobdyl » Lou Pilder, posted by conundrum on May 3, 2010, at 7:47:29
> I can't say I totally disagree with what lou is doing, though the coding I don't understand. There is a black box warning on all antidepressants stating that they can make people suicidal for a reason. It isn't something Lou made up, also companies, Eli Lilly with Prozac, comes to mind that covered up studies that showed prozac increased suicidal ideation. The same company also got sued for diabetes caused by zyprexa.
>
> It can be good to have someone watching out because the drug companies sure aren't.cunundrum,
You wrote,[...it could be good...]
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/health/20100104/msgs/944131.html
Posted by floatingbridge on May 3, 2010, at 14:21:20
In reply to Re: Lou;s request-bobdyl » Lou Pilder, posted by conundrum on May 3, 2010, at 7:47:29
emmaneul 98 is requesting input about his or her meds, not whether they should be taken.
respectfully,
fb
Posted by conundrum on May 3, 2010, at 15:03:18
In reply to Lou;s response-itkuhdbeegud » conundrum, posted by Lou Pilder on May 3, 2010, at 8:44:45
Well I've never taken parnate but from what everyone is saying that is a low dose. I don't think it should be given up until you've gone higher. I think its important to communicate with your pdoc about how you are feeling at this point.
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 4, 2010, at 0:51:27
In reply to Re: Lou;s response-bniftzowtwheydariskz?, posted by emmanuel98 on May 2, 2010, at 22:36:55
> I resent Lou'sposts.
>
> emmanuel98Please be sensitive to the feelings of others even if yours are hurt.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
Lou, I'm also sorry if you felt hurt.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express oneself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce> emmaneul 98 is requesting input about his or her meds, not whether they should be taken.
>
> fbThat's an great point, if someone's interested in only certain types of replies, or isn't interested in certain other types of replies, they can make that explicit, which may help others be helpful to them.
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 4, 2010, at 23:57:40
In reply to Re: requesting input » emmanuel98, posted by Dr. Bob on May 4, 2010, at 0:51:27
> Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20100321/msgs/946373.html
Thanks,
Bob
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