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Posted by Christ_empowered on July 19, 2012, at 19:11:39
I'm 28. I passed a psych evaluation a couple months ago. I sent off a couple emails to an ex-shrink who works at a college I attended. The emails were somewhat angry, but I talked about my progress, my spirituality, and my ongoing transformation. Another shrinks tried to have me committed because I expressed anger over how he treated me.
I do take3 Abilify. 30mgs tablet, when I'm feeling agitated and the voices get to me. I also do the Orthomolecular thing--niacinamide, b-100, c, all that. Helps.
I haven't gone back to the mental health place in maybe 2, 3 months. Cancelled my appointments. I just...don't want to be a patient anymore. I'm fairly certain I've had involuntary ECT. I've experienced HIPPA violations, drug addiction, multiple diagnoses, drug-induced stupidity, and now...I'm done.
I just don't want to be a patient anymore, you know? I read about old school former patients who would get out there, do stuff, take a Thorazine or whatever they had back then when the stress got to them. Sounds good to me. And Abilify is...great. I mean, 30 is a lot--particularly for everyday--but 30 for agitation when needed calms me down w/o making me stupid.
I'm just...over it now. I honestly believe--and please don't give me flack over this one--I honestly believe that God, for whatever reason, chose to save me. I apparently have a decently high IQ and I'm able to do things and I'm more sociable and I'm not interested in more treatment and more $$$ and...I'm done.
Also, docs are done with me. I took one shrink to the medical board. For some reason, I had to fill out forms to have everybody in this state who had treated me issued subpoenas. Fine. They won't treat me, no private practice shrinks around here will treat me, even if my parents are willing to pay cash for a visit every 8-12 weeks. I don't require benzos or stimulants, so public health *was* cool, until I realized: they're paternalistic as hell. The talk therapy is about taking your meds and feeling better and...I don't know. I'm done.
Posted by Meatwood_Flack on July 19, 2012, at 19:58:41
In reply to Over psychiatry?, posted by Christ_empowered on July 19, 2012, at 19:11:39
"If many remedies are prescribed for an illness, you may be certain that the illness has no cure."--Chekhov
Posted by ceebee on July 19, 2012, at 21:39:02
In reply to Over psychiatry?, posted by Christ_empowered on July 19, 2012, at 19:11:39
Perhaps instead of seeing more doctors you could see a counselor at church? Someone who specializes in nouthetic counseling? (counseling based on biblical principals)
Posted by Phillipa on July 19, 2012, at 23:13:55
In reply to Over psychiatry?, posted by Christ_empowered on July 19, 2012, at 19:11:39
CE was thinking about you yesterday and wondering where you have been.I thought you had realized that you were going to need abilify? I also thought that you were glad to be out of the public psychiatry and were going to see a private doc? What hasn't worked out since you last posted. Why not write me? Phillipa
Posted by B2chica on July 20, 2012, at 13:37:58
In reply to Re: Over psychiatry?, posted by ceebee on July 19, 2012, at 21:39:02
ceebee. havent heard of nouthetic counseling before. i googled it. nice.
question...how do you pronounce it?
noothetic?
nowthetic
nootheetic?curious.
Posted by herpills on July 20, 2012, at 14:28:12
In reply to Over psychiatry?, posted by Christ_empowered on July 19, 2012, at 19:11:39
CE- I know what you mean about not wanting to be a patient, I also use community mental health, and although I am fairly happy with my treatment there, I've also come to realize that even though the doctor/patient should have the most weight in any treatment outline, it is more about rules, regulations, medication formularies, and administrators influencing decisions about my treatment, and I HATE that.
I think your decision is understandable, and if you feel you are stable and handling it on your own, that's great. I would just make sure to have some sort of plan in place, in case you do need some psychiatric intervention to stay safe and healthy. Good luck. herpills
Posted by brynb on July 20, 2012, at 16:05:18
In reply to Over psychiatry?, posted by Christ_empowered on July 19, 2012, at 19:11:39
It's definitely exhausting, but I imagine any long-term or incurable illness is too. I never really benefited from talk therapy myself. I have no insurance and pay out of pocket to see my current pdoc. I too dealt w/ drug addiction, and over the years had to medically detox 6 or 7 times, and was hospitalized twice due to my behavior when coming off of high amounts of benzos. It sucked--I was going through detox, severely depressed, and not sleeping for days, and if I protested or didn't act completely "normal", I was treated like I was really crazy. Unfortunately, I do think you get better treatment with private care, you pretty much get what you pay for, even w/ medicine.
I believe it's important to work w/ one private doc that you really trust, and to be self-aware and educated.
Frances Farmer, an actress from way back in the day who had a very public battle w/ mental illness is quoted as saying "if you get treated like a patient, you're apt to act like one." Touche.
Posted by linkadge on July 20, 2012, at 16:27:32
In reply to Over psychiatry?, posted by Christ_empowered on July 19, 2012, at 19:11:39
>I'm fairly certain I've had involuntary ECT.
Huh? Empowered...usually you make sense, but what makes you think they gave you 'involuntary ECT'?
Most docs I know would't risk losing their medical licence to 'punish (?)' somebody they don't like.
Linkadge
Posted by SLS on July 21, 2012, at 23:53:40
In reply to Over psychiatry?, posted by Christ_empowered on July 19, 2012, at 19:11:39
I think that in order for you to gain and maintain stability, you are going to need to discover and maintain a stable treatment regimen - homeostasis. I don't believe that dosing Abilify 30 mg intermittently will produce this homeostasis. I am somewhat baffled why you don't give 10 - 20 mg/day (every day) a fair trial.
I would rather see you have no need of treatment. I would rather see me have no need of treatment. Oh, well.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on July 22, 2012, at 6:07:35
In reply to Over psychiatry?, posted by Christ_empowered on July 19, 2012, at 19:11:39
Perhaps another AP like Latuda (lurasidone) would be better for you than Abilify. It might not produce the cognitive dulling that causes you to avoid taking Abilify regularly. Of course, Latuda might not be the right drug for you at all. I don't happen to know of any doctors who would be able to predict such things, although I imagine there are some who can come close. Still, your idiosyncratic reactions to drugs makes it difficult to know for sure without performing a clinical trial.
I hope cariprazine produces less cognitive and affective dulling at higher dosages than does Abilify.
- Scott
Posted by Christ_empowered on July 22, 2012, at 13:10:16
In reply to Re: Over psychiatry? » Christ_empowered, posted by SLS on July 22, 2012, at 6:07:35
I just don't think I can get a private practice doc. I took 1 shrink to the state medical board a couple years ago. As part of the process, I had to have all my mental health providers subpoenad. Now, I can't get a shrink, except at the public health place.
I dropped out of treatment at the public health place because I felt like a patient...probably because (guess what), I am a patient. Also, a shrink from back in the day tried (and failed) to have me forcibly treated through a "detention order."
I get that there are other drugs out there, but I kinda just want to try a lower dose of Abilify sans the anticonvulsant and see what happens. SLS, you're advice is spot on: low(ish) dosing the Abilify might be the way to go. I'm not really troubled by psych meds so much as I am by shrinks themselves and the psychiatric establishment. Maybe I'll go to a family doctor.
Posted by SLS on July 22, 2012, at 13:30:18
In reply to Re: Over psychiatry?, posted by Christ_empowered on July 22, 2012, at 13:10:16
> I just don't think I can get a private practice doc. I took 1 shrink to the state medical board a couple years ago. As part of the process, I had to have all my mental health providers subpoenad. Now, I can't get a shrink, except at the public health place.
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> I dropped out of treatment at the public health place because I felt like a patient...probably because (guess what), I am a patient. Also, a shrink from back in the day tried (and failed) to have me forcibly treated through a "detention order."
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> I get that there are other drugs out there, but I kinda just want to try a lower dose of Abilify sans the anticonvulsant and see what happens. SLS, you're advice is spot on: low(ish) dosing the Abilify might be the way to go. I'm not really troubled by psych meds so much as I am by shrinks themselves and the psychiatric establishment.I don't blame you. You have had a horrific time with those people.
> Maybe I'll go to a family doctor.
That sounds like a good plan.I wish you nothing but success!
- Scott
Posted by ceebee on July 28, 2012, at 13:30:18
In reply to Re: Over psychiatry? » ceebee, posted by B2chica on July 20, 2012, at 13:37:58
> ceebee. havent heard of nouthetic counseling before. i googled it. nice.
> question...how do you pronounce it?
> noothetic?
> nowthetic
> nootheetic?
>
> curious.I believe it is noe-the-tick
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