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Posted by gilmourr on December 4, 2012, at 11:28:43
So I've been reading dr-bob past discussions and talking to nardil users. Most use 10 mg MAX or 25 even thats high to supplement nardil.
I was using 100 mg sometimes even 125 daily for 2 months to supplement nardil. I NEVER KNEW TOO MUCH B6 RENDERS NARDIL USELESS. THATS RIDICULOUS.
It also makes sense why after a 4 days stoppage nothing changed because if it's bound to my proteins it's going to take 15 days for the half life of B6 to excrete.
This is utterly ridiculous. So now I'm drinking 8 glasses of water a day praying that this sh*t speeds up. Because it makes sense why last time (when I didnt take vitamins) I felt great and this time (everyday) I feel like crap.
I still am not sure why the bran flakes made me so happy 1 day, but it didn't do it again.
If I took 100 mg of B6 for like 2 months, how long do you think it'll take to excrete? I'm hoping 1 half life will make a HUGE difference because 5 half lives are 75 days...
F*ck, I just wanted to be happy and energetic and with it for christmas events.
Posted by Phillipa on December 4, 2012, at 11:36:24
In reply to F*CK, NARDIL WHY, too much b6 = doesnt work, posted by gilmourr on December 4, 2012, at 11:28:43
B6 should be gone. I don't think they are like meds with half lives. I pee my B6 out and one at night also. Phillipa
Posted by gilmourr on December 4, 2012, at 11:41:56
In reply to F*CK, NARDIL WHY, too much b6 = doesnt work, posted by gilmourr on December 4, 2012, at 11:28:43
Is there a way I can burn or excrete proteins quicker? To speed up the half life? Or is that retarded?
It's just I think this makes sense now why after 2 months of 100 mg I feel like sh*t. It was too much and nardil isn't working.
I read that proteins can only be digested, so is there a way I can speed up digestion? Should I exercise or something? I want to get this sh*t out of my system
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on December 4, 2012, at 16:52:27
In reply to F*CK, NARDIL WHY, too much b6 = doesnt work, posted by gilmourr on December 4, 2012, at 11:28:43
Your body excreetes excess B vitamins very quickly (thats why your urine turns fluro yellow within a couple of hours of taking a mega B tablet) - assuming the body needs 2mg of B6 a day, it would hang onto 2mg, and the other 98mg would be quickly excreted, I'd think the vast majority of it would be gone in 48 hours.
Posted by gilmourr on December 4, 2012, at 22:55:52
In reply to Re: F*CK, NARDIL WHY, too much b6 = doesnt work, posted by jono_in_adelaide on December 4, 2012, at 16:52:27
There's no way this is true. Then why do people have B6 toxicity? If it left after 48 hours or something then they'd be fine. But many people who have taken B6 supplements for years take YEARS to recover. Some even have taken large doses for a year and require 3 years to recover.
I took 50-100 mg for about a month and a half and I believe this is the cause behind my symptoms. I'm certain there is a huge misconception behind B6. Many other B vitamins are fine in loads, but B6 is f*ck*ng dangerous.
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on December 5, 2012, at 16:43:36
In reply to Re: F*CK, NARDIL WHY, too much b6 = doesnt work, posted by gilmourr on December 4, 2012, at 22:55:52
Well, you might be right gilmore, I had assumed that the 15 day half life was only for physiological soses - but maybe it is two weeks even in superphysiological dose.
This is why I avoid super high doses of vitamins, when you multiply the dose by a factor of 50, they no longer function the way they do from the diet, they can start acting like drugs or poisons.
Posted by gilmourr on December 5, 2012, at 18:20:45
In reply to Re: F*CK, NARDIL WHY, too much b6 = doesnt work, posted by jono_in_adelaide on December 5, 2012, at 16:43:36
EXACTLY! So why do vitamin companies off vitamins in doses of 100 mg and EVEN 250 mg!!
This is retarded. Sending a letter to the relevant health board/health agency regarding this b*llsh*t. These products need to be regulated or at least not allowed in ridiculous doses without a warning.
I'd send an email but I know that phone calls > letter > e-mail
So the letter might actually reach somebody. I'd phone but I'm not big on yelling at people getting paid $12/hour taking phone calls for the health board as it's not them f*ck*ng up.
But yeah, when I get my B6 test back, WATCH it be over the limit. Hopefully it's not too high, then I will rebound quicker. I'm thinking a week off the vitamins will be enough since I was really only on them for about a month and a half.
Posted by Phillipa on December 6, 2012, at 20:16:08
In reply to Re: F*CK, NARDIL WHY, too much b6 = doesnt work, posted by gilmourr on December 5, 2012, at 18:20:45
I've taken 200mg of B6 for years? What should have happened to me? Phillipa
Posted by gilmourr on December 6, 2012, at 21:27:38
In reply to Re: F*CK, NARDIL WHY, too much b6 = doesnt work » gilmourr, posted by Phillipa on December 6, 2012, at 20:16:08
I'd seriously stop taking 200 mg of B6, you don't need that much ever.
"Permanent nerve damage from severe pyridoxine toxicity is more serious than nerve irritation. In addition to numbness in the arms and legs, nerve damage affects coordination, balance, muscle strength, temperature and vibration senses and causes burning or shooting pain. Due to lack of balance, leg pains and weakness, walking may become unstable and labored. Patients with nerve damage from pyridoxine toxicity may take several months to recover once they discontinue supplementation, although some never fully recover."
Usually you get pins and needles in your feet, leg numbness then you lose the ability to walk, disoriented, clumsy, then you just become a mess. And when it has already begun it's already game over I believe. You'd have to stop B6 immediately and wait months-years for the damage to reverse since nerve damage takes a long time to repair/regenerate
Posted by Phillipa on December 6, 2012, at 22:54:34
In reply to Re: F*CK, NARDIL WHY, too much b6 = doesnt work, posted by gilmourr on December 6, 2012, at 21:27:38
I"ve taken it for years and so far this hasn't happened. I could cut to l00mg. It just helps me pee. Phillipa
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on December 7, 2012, at 22:35:24
In reply to Re: F*CK, NARDIL WHY, too much b6 = doesnt work, posted by gilmourr on December 6, 2012, at 21:27:38
In Australia, the TGA (equivelent to the American FDA) limits B6 supplements to a maximum of 50mg/day for this reason.
Posted by Phillipa on December 7, 2012, at 23:39:27
In reply to Re: F*CK, NARDIL WHY, too much b6 = doesnt work, posted by jono_in_adelaide on December 7, 2012, at 22:35:24
Really so what's this 200mg a day doing to me? Seriously. Thanks Phillipa
Posted by Cee on December 8, 2012, at 17:47:23
In reply to Re: F*CK, NARDIL WHY, too much b6 = doesnt work » jono_in_adelaide, posted by Phillipa on December 7, 2012, at 23:39:27
So can someone tell me how the b vitamins relate to Nardil
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Posted by Phillipa on December 8, 2012, at 21:08:49
In reply to Re: F*CK, NARDIL WHY, too much b6 = doesnt work, posted by Cee on December 8, 2012, at 17:47:23
Cee a great question. Phillipa
Posted by gilmourr on December 9, 2012, at 14:16:38
In reply to Re: F*CK, NARDIL WHY, too much b6 = doesnt work » Cee, posted by Phillipa on December 8, 2012, at 21:08:49
Too little B6 = not enough neurotransmitter synthesis.
Less likely to disrupt Nardil and it's efficacy.Too much B6 = inhibits Nardil and it stops working. Hasn't quite been explained but there's an entry on wiki along with testimonials by past users of Nardil for a long time.
Hydrazines (Nardil) depletes vitamin B6 greatly (but it's better to use less B6 than more).
The reason why too a lot of B6 is dangerous is because it can lead to neuropathy. Pins and needles in your legs, hands, feet. Doses of 100 mg for years has shown to do this. 200 mg is a high dose as well. Most of this is usually reversible but it takes months. Doses of 500 mg or greater daily leads to effects that take years to reverse or it may be permanent.
It causes nerve damage. If you are eating a well balanced diet you should be getting a large amount of your vitamins/minerals/amino acids. You can take a multivitamin shake but you really should limit B6 to 25 mg/day. Or under 50 mg max.
Also, shivers are still not gone yet. 6 days off of vitamin B6. I'm guessing it will take 9-12 days. I also get back my B6 test tmmr so lets see if my levels are elevated. If not, then the shivers are from something else.
If you've taken 200 mg for years phillipa you should test your B6 serum levels to make sure you're not dangerously outside the normal range. Or you can just cut back.
Posted by Phillipa on December 9, 2012, at 20:45:26
In reply to Re: F*CK, NARDIL WHY, too much b6 = doesnt work, posted by gilmourr on December 9, 2012, at 14:16:38
Cut back to l00mg. See the thread I posted today on B6 as it's supposed to help all the neurotransmitters. Phillipa
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 12, 2012, at 22:58:53
In reply to Re: F*CK, NARDIL WHY, too much b6 = doesnt work, posted by gilmourr on December 9, 2012, at 14:16:38
Im happy that i will prolly switch to parnate for that very reason.
I can take it with multitamin and some food and not have to wait hours.Regards,
Julian
Posted by gilmourr on December 14, 2012, at 11:12:10
In reply to Re: F*CK, NARDIL WHY, too much b6 = doesnt work, posted by Lamdage22 on December 12, 2012, at 22:58:53
All I know is Parnate sucked for me. Nothing like Nardil. Awful stuff.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 17, 2012, at 2:08:47
In reply to Re: F*CK, NARDIL WHY, too much b6 = doesnt work, posted by gilmourr on December 14, 2012, at 11:12:10
> All I know is Parnate sucked for me. Nothing like Nardil. Awful stuff.
Well i find the sexual side effects, weight gain and this B6 story have led me to try parnate.
I tried once for a week and i was very jittery. I believe this will pass.Im on 20mg and 60mg T3 and two antipsychotics including Geodon in the evening.
I am thinking about Abilify in the morning as i still feel persecuted.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 17, 2012, at 2:09:07
In reply to Re: F*CK, NARDIL WHY, too much b6 = doesnt work, posted by Lamdage22 on December 17, 2012, at 2:08:47
Or Geodon, morning and evening.
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