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Posted by poser938 on July 3, 2013, at 18:38:49
Posted by SLS on July 3, 2013, at 20:12:50
In reply to Some great articles on psychiatry/drug companies, posted by poser938 on July 3, 2013, at 18:38:49
Here are some names to follow:
Robert Whitaker
Irving Kirsch
Joseph Glenmullen
David Healy
Peter Breggin
Books:http://www.crespifamilyhope.org/books/
- Scott
Posted by polarbear206 on July 4, 2013, at 9:48:33
In reply to Re: Some great articles on psychiatry/drug companies, posted by SLS on July 3, 2013, at 20:12:50
> Here are some names to follow:
>
> Robert Whitaker
> Irving Kirsch
> Joseph Glenmullen
> David Healy
> Peter Breggin
>
>
> Books:
Scott, I'm surprised. Are you really promoting these?
>
> http://www.crespifamilyhope.org/books/
>
>
> - Scott
Posted by SLS on July 4, 2013, at 11:30:34
In reply to Re: Some great articles on psychiatry/drug companies, posted by polarbear206 on July 4, 2013, at 9:48:33
> > Here are some names to follow:
> >
> > Robert Whitaker
> > Irving Kirsch
> > Joseph Glenmullen
> > David Healy
> > Peter Breggin> Scott, I'm surprised. Are you really promoting these?
No. I just didn't want to seem oblivious to the existence of competing viewpoints.
Perhaps I made a mistake in posting this stuff.
I think these guys are charlatan opportunists who just like to make money off of writing books and seeing their names in print. Even if they believed the premise of their theses, I don't find their manipulation of information to be at all scientific, but, rather, a route to the dissemblance and disinformation necessary to support there arguments. They are good at painting pictures and selling them as photographs. They are extremely selective with the colors they choose to paint with. They reap the benefits of their good fortune that there should be such a paucity of photographs available to compare their work to.
The current state of psychiatry is primitive and far from being globally effective at treating illness. The treatments used are not without unwanted and dangerous adverse effects that are sometimes irreversible. The theories proposed for the phenomenology of mental illness are mostly inaccurate. Still, psychiatry saves lives and reduces suffering. It brings people from a state of functionless wasting to one of achievement and reward.
- Scott
Posted by polarbear206 on July 4, 2013, at 12:50:20
In reply to Re: Some great articles on psychiatry/drug companies » polarbear206, posted by SLS on July 4, 2013, at 11:30:34
> > > Here are some names to follow:
> > >
> > > Robert Whitaker
> > > Irving Kirsch
> > > Joseph Glenmullen
> > > David Healy
> > > Peter Breggin
>
> > Scott, I'm surprised. Are you really promoting these?
>
Ok, now I feel better. THANKS.
> No. I just didn't want to seem oblivious to the existence of competing viewpoints.
>
> Perhaps I made a mistake in posting this stuff.
>
> I think these guys are charlatan opportunists who just like to make money off of writing books and seeing their names in print. Even if they believed the premise of their theses, I don't find their manipulation of information to be at all scientific, but, rather, a route to the dissemblance and disinformation necessary to support there arguments. They are good at painting pictures and selling them as photographs. They are extremely selective with the colors they choose to paint with. They reap the benefits of their good fortune that there should be such a paucity of photographs available to compare their work to.
>
> The current state of psychiatry is primitive and far from being globally effective at treating illness. The treatments used are not without unwanted and dangerous adverse effects that are sometimes irreversible. The theories proposed for the phenomenology of mental illness are mostly inaccurate. Still, psychiatry saves lives and reduces suffering. It brings people from a state of functionless wasting to one of achievement and reward.
>
>
> - Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2013, at 13:38:24
In reply to Re: Some great articles on psychiatry/drug companies, posted by polarbear206 on July 4, 2013, at 12:50:20
> > > > Here are some names to follow:
> > > >
> > > > Robert Whitaker
> > > > Irving Kirsch
> > > > Joseph Glenmullen
> > > > David Healy
> > > > Peter Breggin
> >
> > > Scott, I'm surprised. Are you really promoting these?
> >
> Ok, now I feel better. THANKS.
>
>
> > No. I just didn't want to seem oblivious to the existence of competing viewpoints.
> >
> > Perhaps I made a mistake in posting this stuff.
> >
> > I think these guys are charlatan opportunists who just like to make money off of writing books and seeing their names in print. Even if they believed the premise of their theses, I don't find their manipulation of information to be at all scientific, but, rather, a route to the dissemblance and disinformation necessary to support there arguments. They are good at painting pictures and selling them as photographs. They are extremely selective with the colors they choose to paint with. They reap the benefits of their good fortune that there should be such a paucity of photographs available to compare their work to.
> >
> > The current state of psychiatry is primitive and far from being globally effective at treating illness. The treatments used are not without unwanted and dangerous adverse effects that are sometimes irreversible. The theories proposed for the phenomenology of mental illness are mostly inaccurate. Still, psychiatry saves lives and reduces suffering. It brings people from a state of functionless wasting to one of achievement and reward.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Friends,
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Lou
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Posted by poser938 on July 4, 2013, at 17:15:41
In reply to Re: Some great articles on psychiatry/drug companies » polarbear206, posted by SLS on July 4, 2013, at 11:30:34
What part of David Healy's blogs do you disagree with? Are there any parts you agree with? I didn't fact check every statement, but did you find any factual errors?
Is he more selective with the colors he uses to pain his pictures with than Eli Lilly is when painting their pictures?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/health/17depress.html?_r=0
Is the practice of drug companies withholding about 1/3 of the results of the clinical trials a more scientific approach to prove the benefits of antidepressants? Are the blatant"misunderstandings" that psychiatrists have when a patient describes their suffering a more scientifically relevant than the way David Healy describes this level of understanding that the majority of psychiatrists fail to achieve on a daily basis?
Yes, Psychiatry has saved lives and reduced suffering for many. But it has also brought lives to a state of functionless wasting and made them unable to achieve any rewards in life.
I don't know the motives of a psychiatrist like David Healy. But I do know the side of psychiatry he writes about is at least as relevant as the side of psychiatry that drug companies and your psychiatrist write about and tell their patients about.
Posted by poser938 on July 4, 2013, at 17:46:10
In reply to Re: Some great articles on psychiatry/drug companies, posted by poser938 on July 4, 2013, at 17:15:41
Example of someones life permanently hindered by antidepressants.
Here's another on David Healys website.
http://wp.rxisk.org/sos-dopamine-agonist-withdrawal-syndrome/It has a section on there where people write about there experiences with psychiatric meds as well. I was interviewed 2 weeks ago by a European news reporter over Skype about my dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome that I mentioned on that site.
Here's another on post ssri sexual dysfunction.
http://wp.rxisk.org/buried-alive-post-ssri-sexual-dysfunction-pssd/
Posted by SLS on July 4, 2013, at 23:10:34
In reply to Re: Some great articles on psychiatry/drug companies, posted by poser938 on July 4, 2013, at 17:46:10
Poser,
I said all that I intend to at this juncture. I'm not in the mood to debate this stuff again. I don't need to change your mind as you don't need to change mine. There is very little chance of either of these things happening. I thought the summation at the end of my post was balanced and fair. I have been both helped and hurt by psychiatric treatments. You can believe anything you like as long as you don't get in the way of my pursuit of mental health.
I spent a nice evening watching fireworks.
- Scott
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