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Posted by SLS on May 17, 2014, at 21:10:59
In reply to Re: New strategy against depression » Lamdage22, posted by phidippus on May 17, 2014, at 19:00:21
> How did you expect to take Stablon without a mood stabilizer and not become unstable?
>
> There's no such thing as post-psychotic depression.
>
> Ericwww.bmj.sk/2006/10708-07.pdf
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 3:34:05
In reply to Re: New strategy against depression » Lamdage22, posted by phidippus on May 17, 2014, at 19:00:21
I beg to differ there is such a thing as post psychotic depression.
When you realize how crazy you where.. it sucks hope away...
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 3:35:11
In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 3:34:05
This forum could use an "edit" button!
I will present my Pdoc with that idea.
I took a mood-stabilizer: Seroquel!
Posted by Christ_empowered on May 18, 2014, at 9:24:14
In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 3:35:11
I read somewhere that anticonvulsants+antipsychotics= prevention of "super sensitivity psychosis," the psychosis that follows long term use of antipsychotics. I have no idea if that's true or not, but in my situation, adding trileptal (1200) and now lamictal (50, working up to 100, maybe up to 200 later) has spared me increasing my antipsychotic, adding one in, or switching to another, stronger one.
Just a thought.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 11:10:16
In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Christ_empowered on May 18, 2014, at 9:24:14
Well which one would that be? Lamictal makes me loose hair..
Yes meds are my first choice of treatment for psychosis.
Support second.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 11:15:15
In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 11:10:16
Riluzole sounds cool.
But there are so many meds going through my liver and kidney right now!
Phew
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 11:20:48
In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 11:15:15
Nah i wont be fooled into believing a pill could fix me again.
I have wasted enough of my life for that.
Posted by SLS on May 18, 2014, at 12:06:49
In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 3:34:05
> I beg to differ there is such a thing as post psychotic depression.
>
> When you realize how crazy you where.. it sucks hope away...Yes. Many suicides occur in people with schizophrenia who are brought out of a psychotic state that had lasted for years for the reasons you describe. I can't imagine.
- Scott
Posted by phidippus on May 18, 2014, at 18:11:25
In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 3:35:11
Seroquel is not a mood stabilizer.
Eric
Posted by phidippus on May 18, 2014, at 18:12:35
In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 3:34:05
Increase your effexor then.
Eric
Posted by phidippus on May 18, 2014, at 18:16:05
In reply to Re: New strategy against depression » phidippus, posted by SLS on May 17, 2014, at 21:10:59
That's psychotic depression, not post-psychotic depression.
Eric
Posted by SLS on May 18, 2014, at 21:17:21
In reply to Re: New strategy against depression » SLS, posted by phidippus on May 18, 2014, at 18:16:05
> > > There's no such thing as post-psychotic depression.
> > >
> > > Eric> > www.bmj.sk/2006/10708-07.pdf
> That's psychotic depression, not post-psychotic depression.
>
> EricI'm confused. What article were you looking at?
"Post-psychotic depression (PPD) is defined as the development of depression during the phase of remission of schizophrenia."
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02191572
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11519384
http://psychcentral.com/lib/post-schizophrenic-depression/000148
I don't know if post-psychotic depression really exists or not, but, certainly, some researchers in psychiatry believe that it does.
"Conclusions The results provided support for the validity of two of the three course patterns of depression in schizophrenia, including PPD. Post-psychotic depression occurs de novo without concomitant change in positive or negative symptoms."
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/177/6/516.short
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 6:43:40
In reply to Re: New strategy against depression » Lamdage22, posted by SLS on May 18, 2014, at 12:06:49
> > I beg to differ there is such a thing as post psychotic depression.
> >
> > When you realize how crazy you where.. it sucks hope away...
>
> Yes. Many suicides occur in people with schizophrenia who are brought out of a psychotic state that had lasted for years for the reasons you describe. I can't imagine.> - Scott
I can imagine. But how can you be psychotic for several years? People that dont have access to medical care?
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 6:46:06
In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 6:43:40
I can certainly say i will not try another antidepressant for a long time unless they say its specifically good for people with schizophrenia or it is an antipsychotic in the first place!
Im back to 25mg Zyprexa and 700 Seroquel because of Stablon!!
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 6:49:55
In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 6:46:06
In retrospect, the point were i became really "crazy" was when i tried Nardil.
Who knows how much it was me and how much it was ADs.
One thing is for certain: This isnt your typical onset of Schizophrenia.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 7:15:10
In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 6:43:40
> > > I beg to differ there is such a thing as post psychotic depression.
> > >
> > > When you realize how crazy you where.. it sucks hope away...
> >
> > Yes. Many suicides occur in people with schizophrenia who are brought out of a psychotic state that had lasted for years for the reasons you describe. I can't imagine.
>
> > - Scott
>
> I can imagine. But how can you be psychotic for several years? People that dont have access to medical care?
>This is one of the reasons im staying in Germany. Basic needs and healthcare are covered. Living here doesnt have this "make it or break" flavor to it.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 7:21:03
In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 7:15:10
> > > > I beg to differ there is such a thing as post psychotic depression.
> > > >
> > > > When you realize how crazy you where.. it sucks hope away...
> > >
> > > Yes. Many suicides occur in people with schizophrenia who are brought out of a psychotic state that had lasted for years for the reasons you describe. I can't imagine.
> >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > I can imagine. But how can you be psychotic for several years? People that dont have access to medical care?
> >
>
> This is one of the reasons im staying in Germany. Basic needs and healthcare are covered. Living here doesnt have this "make it or break" flavor to it.Even though i wouldnt be affected by it, i just dont like it very much. Jeez babble really lacks an "edit" option.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 7:39:25
In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 7:21:03
Its not like all these people you see on the streets are there because of their own wrongdoing.
We have homeless people here, too.
But thats because they have chosen it.
Posted by SLS on May 19, 2014, at 13:16:35
In reply to Dubious onset of schizophrenic illness, posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 6:49:55
If you have schizoaffective disorder, the Nardil may have triggered a mania which then led to psychosis. Just a guess.
- Scott
Posted by phidippus on May 19, 2014, at 14:24:17
In reply to Dubious onset of schizophrenic illness, posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 6:49:55
Sounds like you're schizoaffective, hence my pleas that you get on a mood stabilizer.
Carbamazapine
Depakote
Trileptal
Lamictal
LithiumOne you're on a mood stabilizer you can take on an AD.
Eric
Posted by phidippus on May 19, 2014, at 14:28:42
In reply to Re: New strategy against depression » phidippus, posted by SLS on May 18, 2014, at 21:17:21
I stand corrected. :)
Lamdage22 is having problems with antidepressants, which leads me to believe he is schizoaffective.
Eric
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 22:47:32
In reply to Re: New strategy against depression » SLS, posted by phidippus on May 19, 2014, at 14:28:42
Or straight schizophrenic..
I don't know. Sure enough i need something strong against psychosis.
At night, i get psychotic type thoughts and fears. I want to keep it at bay.
Any recommendations greatly appreciated.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 20, 2014, at 5:51:32
In reply to I need a strong antipsychotic for now, posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 22:47:32
Like this:
Lithium Orotate Tab-0-Tab-0
Seroquel 0-0-0-400
Seroquel Prolong 100-100-100-0
Zyprexa 5-0-5-15
Effexor 0-0-0-75
Haldol 0-0-0-2
Posted by phidippus on May 20, 2014, at 13:21:51
In reply to I need a strong antipsychotic for now, posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 22:47:32
>i get psychotic type thoughts and fears.
What is the nature of these thoughts and fears?
Eric
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 22, 2014, at 23:39:40
In reply to Re: I need a strong antipsychotic for now » Lamdage22, posted by phidippus on May 20, 2014, at 13:21:51
Those are "im lost and cant take care of myself" type thoughts.
Im now on:
Zyprexa 5-5-5-5
Seroquel 0-0-0-400
Seroquel Prolong 100-0-100-0
Haldol 0-0-2-0Doing its job. Thank God
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