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Posted by momandwife on May 10, 2015, at 21:18:44
My husband has bipolar depression. Very rare mania episodes, and even then they are very very mild. Presently he is on:
150 mg Seroquel
225 mg Lamictal
10,000 Vitamin D
Testosterone injections
Arimidex
Vitamin B injections monthly
40 mg Adderall 4 x daily
Cal-Mag
DIM (supplement that helps metabolize estrogen)
Metformin
Saw Palmetto
I think that is it. The Seroquel was added about 2 weeks ago = swapped it for Latuda. Latuda worked great, but at 40 mg he was angry a lot. 20 mg worked ok for awhile, but then it only worked for a few hours a day(he had to take it at night). The Seroquel makes him very flat...and sleepy. We are feeling at the end of the medication train and I don't know what else to suggest he try. I know it is a little early to think about stopping the Seroquel, but it is exhausting watching him suffer. He has been on several antidepressants (before and with the ADs). Effexor was the only one that really worked long term..but then it too burned out. I would really appreciate any suggestions. Other than the Seroquel, he has been on the other meds long term - several years. Thanks!
Posted by Tomatheus on May 10, 2015, at 22:34:35
In reply to Bipolar depression - need med suggestions, posted by momandwife on May 10, 2015, at 21:18:44
Hello, momandwife. First, I'd like to welcome you to Psycho-Babble and wish you a happy Mother's Day. I'm sorry to hear about your husband's bipolar depression and about the fact that his condition seems to be rather resistant to treatment with medications. The first thing that I'm wondering about after having read your post is how much your husband's current medications seem to be helping. And if some of your husband's medications seem to be helping, which ones seem to be helping the most?
As far as recommendations for new medications to ask your husband's prescriber about, I'll briefly discuss some that I think might be helpful for bipolar depression. Please feel free to disregard any medications that your husband has already tried, because other than Effexor and the medications that your husband is currently taking, I'm not sure what he's tried and what he hasn't. So, now for my discussion of specific medications...
* Lithium - As the oldest pharmacological treatment for bipolar disorder, lithium is a "true" mood stabilizer in that it's understood to be useful in alleviating both manic and depressive states. I personally take lithium in the orotate form and have also taken lithium carbonate, and even though my current trial with lithium (orotate) is basically just under way, I'm currently noticing what seems to be some improvement in my depressive symptoms, which are part of what I'd describe as likely being a persistent mixed episode with psychotic features. Unlike other medications that are used as mood stabilizers, I've never noticed a worsening in my depressive symptoms that I could definitively attribute to lithium.
* Abilify (aripiprazole) - Even though I understand there's some research that indicates that Abilify isn't particularly effective in treating bipolar depression, I think this medication should still be up for consideration, as it's used for both bipolar disorder and for the add-on treatment of depression. Of the antipsychotics that I've stayed on for more than a day, Abilify at low doses is the only one that didn't seem to make my anergia considerably worse. Abilify might be more effective for those experiencing long-term bipolar depressions at low doses -- the doses used in the add-on treatment of depression -- but I do think that some with bipolar depression could benefit from higher doses.
* Wellbutrin (bupropion) - With a reputation as being at least somewhat more "activating" than other antidepressants, Wellbutrin seems to be used frequently for bipolar depression at least in part because of some evidence to indicate that it's less likely to cause manic "switches" than other antidepressants.
* The tricyclics (TCAs) and monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs) - I just wanted to bring these older classes of antidepressants up because doctors tend to overlook them, and I think that it would in many cases be a mistake to give up on looking for an effective antidepressant if the TCAs and MAOIs haven't been tried. I think that the MAOIs are particularly worthy of consideration in treatment-resistant cases of depression because they're understood to boost neurotransmitter levels via a mechanism that's different from those of other antidepressants. Of course, MAOIs interact with a lot of other medications and come with dietary restrictions, so they're not used very often these days.
Before I finish, I'd like to ask if your husband has received psychotherapy and whether he's benefited from it if he has received it. I'm not 100-percent certain if this is the case with bipolar depression, but with depression generally, it's my understanding that treatment with medications and psychotherapy together tends to be more effective than either treatment alone. I also wanted to say that your husband's vitamin D dose of 10,000 IU seems to be high. If your husband's been taking vitamin D for several years, it would be my guess that his vitamin D level is probably plenty high and might benefit from a dose reduction.
Well, I think that I've written everything that I'd like to write as far as ideas for your husband's treatment are concerned. Please remember that I'm not a medical professional and that much of what I have to say about medications is based on my own experiences with them, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I hope that others here will also chime in to give their suggestions as to what might be helpful in your husband's case, as others might pick up on something that I might have missed.
Finally, good luck to you and your husband. I hope that your husband's condition will improve.
Tomatheus
Posted by Christ_empowered on May 11, 2015, at 7:07:05
In reply to Bipolar depression - need med suggestions, posted by momandwife on May 10, 2015, at 21:18:44
hi. I'm sorry this is happening. Its good of you to reach out to try to find some additional advice for your (suffering) husband.
Ummm...well, amphetamines sometimes cause or worsen depression. Of course, they can also help depression, so its kind of a tricky situation. Just throwing that one out there.
I agree w/ Tomaetheus that Abilify, probably low dose, is something to think about...if it helps, it supposedly helps right away, so its not as if you'll be losing a lot of time on that trial.
Wellbutrin is always something to consider. I actually take 400mgs/day SR wellbutrin now, and its been the best thing ever. I supposedly have "Bipolar I," but its mostly severe depression, plus fits of agitation. Wellbutrin has helped w/ much less numbing and apathy than any other AD I've ever tried...plus, its a bit stimulating, which is helpful for a lot of folks.
Ummmm.....does he need the seroquel? Is that mostly for sleep or anxiety? At 300mgs/day, its supposed to help bipolar depression. Of course, I think that would depend on your symptoms ("depression" covers a lot of ground).
You could try 2 antidepressants at the same time. Wellbutrin+an SSRI, Wellbutrin+Remeron (if he dropped the seroquel), SSRI+Remeron, SNRI+Remeron, any AD plus BuSpar....
...whatever you decide, I'd also think you might want to ask about Deplin. Its an (unforunately, overpriced) Rx form of folate. Used w/ ongoing treatment, its supposed to help the other "real" meds work better. Side effects are minimal (I mean, its a souped-up vitamin, right?) and some people swear by it. Just a thought.
Good luck!
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 11, 2015, at 7:35:09
In reply to Bipolar depression - need med suggestions, posted by momandwife on May 10, 2015, at 21:18:44
>
> My husband has bipolar depression. Very rare mania episodes, and even then they are very very mild. Presently he is on:
> 150 mg Seroquel
> 225 mg Lamictal
> 10,000 Vitamin D
> Testosterone injections
> Arimidex
> Vitamin B injections monthly
> 40 mg Adderall 4 x daily
> Cal-Mag
> DIM (supplement that helps metabolize estrogen)
> Metformin
> Saw Palmetto
> I think that is it. The Seroquel was added about 2 weeks ago = swapped it for Latuda. Latuda worked great, but at 40 mg he was angry a lot. 20 mg worked ok for awhile, but then it only worked for a few hours a day(he had to take it at night). The Seroquel makes him very flat...and sleepy. We are feeling at the end of the medication train and I don't know what else to suggest he try. I know it is a little early to think about stopping the Seroquel, but it is exhausting watching him suffer. He has been on several antidepressants (before and with the ADs). Effexor was the only one that really worked long term..but then it too burned out. I would really appreciate any suggestions. Other than the Seroquel, he has been on the other meds long term - several years. Thanks!
>
> momandwife,
You wrote,[...My husband...taking Seroquel, Adderall, Lamictal, Metformin...very flat..feeling the end...don't know what else...watching him suffer...any suggestions appreciated...Thanks!...].
The road that your husband is on could lead to death. The drugs that you list are chemicals that have been developed as nerve agents that seize or grab the nerves that can increase or depress the entire nervous system and have been used to kill insects and rats and used in chemical warfare. The amphetamine as called Adderall, was used in both world wars to keep soldiers awake and can be addicting. Seroquel is what is developed from what is known as a dibenzo. That drug can increase suicidal thinking as one of the ways these drugs can kill your husband. It also will aggravate diabetes and could cause your husband to go into a diabetic coma as another way these drugs can kill your husband. The risk of seizures from the combination of Lamictal and Adderall could also result in your husband's death.
You could continue to go to the psychiatrist/doctor that prescribes the concoction that your husband takes and continue to think that these drugs are "medicines". But what if your husband dies before the next combination of drugs is experimented on him?
But it is much worse than that. The drugs can induce a a destroying of the brain cells and nervous system showing itself in the form of a hideous movement disorder that could never go away called akathisia and then tardive dyskinesia/dystonia.
Thousands of people die each year from these drugs, many by suicide, heart attack, blood disease, liver and kidney failure, and confusion from disorientation that the drugs can induce. A person could go into a state where they do not what they are doing and I would keep your husband away from train stations subways, bridges and high cliffs and such.
You could be influenced by people advocating for you to have your husband take this drug or that drug. But I say to you, be aware of false doctors, for they can come to you in sheep's clothing but could be ravening wolves.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 11, 2015, at 8:07:50
In reply to Lou's response-puldhawul » momandwife, posted by Lou Pilder on May 11, 2015, at 7:35:09
> >
> > My husband has bipolar depression. Very rare mania episodes, and even then they are very very mild. Presently he is on:
> > 150 mg Seroquel
> > 225 mg Lamictal
> > 10,000 Vitamin D
> > Testosterone injections
> > Arimidex
> > Vitamin B injections monthly
> > 40 mg Adderall 4 x daily
> > Cal-Mag
> > DIM (supplement that helps metabolize estrogen)
> > Metformin
> > Saw Palmetto
> > I think that is it. The Seroquel was added about 2 weeks ago = swapped it for Latuda. Latuda worked great, but at 40 mg he was angry a lot. 20 mg worked ok for awhile, but then it only worked for a few hours a day(he had to take it at night). The Seroquel makes him very flat...and sleepy. We are feeling at the end of the medication train and I don't know what else to suggest he try. I know it is a little early to think about stopping the Seroquel, but it is exhausting watching him suffer. He has been on several antidepressants (before and with the ADs). Effexor was the only one that really worked long term..but then it too burned out. I would really appreciate any suggestions. Other than the Seroquel, he has been on the other meds long term - several years. Thanks!
> >
> > momandwife,
> You wrote,[...My husband...taking Seroquel, Adderall, Lamictal, Metformin...very flat..feeling the end...don't know what else...watching him suffer...any suggestions appreciated...Thanks!...].
> The road that your husband is on could lead to death. The drugs that you list are chemicals that have been developed as nerve agents that seize or grab the nerves that can increase or depress the entire nervous system and have been used to kill insects and rats and used in chemical warfare. The amphetamine as called Adderall, was used in both world wars to keep soldiers awake and can be addicting. Seroquel is what is developed from what is known as a dibenzo. That drug can increase suicidal thinking as one of the ways these drugs can kill your husband. It also will aggravate diabetes and could cause your husband to go into a diabetic coma as another way these drugs can kill your husband. The risk of seizures from the combination of Lamictal and Adderall could also result in your husband's death.
> You could continue to go to the psychiatrist/doctor that prescribes the concoction that your husband takes and continue to think that these drugs are "medicines". But what if your husband dies before the next combination of drugs is experimented on him?
> But it is much worse than that. The drugs can induce a a destroying of the brain cells and nervous system showing itself in the form of a hideous movement disorder that could never go away called akathisia and then tardive dyskinesia/dystonia.
> Thousands of people die each year from these drugs, many by suicide, heart attack, blood disease, liver and kidney failure, and confusion from disorientation that the drugs can induce. A person could go into a state where they do not what they are doing and I would keep your husband away from train stations subways, bridges and high cliffs and such.
> You could be influenced by people advocating for you to have your husband take this drug or that drug. But I say to you, be aware of false doctors, for they can come to you in sheep's clothing but could be ravening wolves.
> Lou
>
momandwife,
Here is a short video about Seroquel.
Lou
To see this video go to Google and type in:
[ youtube, u_4GK3r8yBE ]
Posted by SLS on May 11, 2015, at 9:28:48
In reply to Bipolar depression - need med suggestions, posted by momandwife on May 10, 2015, at 21:18:44
I don't think Seroquel at such a low dose would function as an antidepressant nor an antimanic drug. You might consider switchiing to Abilify, a drug which is generally deemed to have antidepressant effects. From my own experience, Saphris has antidepressant potential. I take both for bipolar depression. Each drug has different properties that, for me, seem to be complementary. Neither drug has produced flattened affect.
Latuda has been a disappointing drug for the most part. Although your husband experienced unacceptable anger episodes with it, I am encouraged for others that it might have antidepressant properties after all.
Some people need 300 mg/day of Lamictal to receive benefit for depression. As important as Lamictal can be in one's treatment, it is my impression that it seldom works by itself.
I would like to suggest Trileptal as a mood stabilizer since it has anti-manic, anti-impulsive, and ant-anger effects. I don't know if it would allow you to return to Latuda and prevent anger as a side effect, but that might be something to keep in mind if you become frustrated with future drug trials.
Some people with bipolar depression respond to a combination of Wellbutrin, Lamictal, and Abilify. Wellbutrin makes my bipolar depression worse, so other drugs are being used in its place. Also, a combination of Lamictal and Trileptal can be helpful for bipolar mixed states.
Regarding vitamin D:
"The main consequence of vitamin D toxicity is a buildup of calcium in your blood (hypercalcemia), which can cause poor appetite, nausea and vomiting. Weakness, frequent urination and kidney problems also may occur.
Treatment includes the stopping of excessive vitamin D intake. Your doctor also may prescribe intravenous fluids and medications, such as corticosteroids or bisphosphonates.
Taking 50,000 international units (IU) a day of vitamin D for several months has been shown to cause toxicity. This level is many times higher than the Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) for most adults of 600 IU of vitamin D a day."
Have you tried Pristiq in combination with Wellbutrin and Trileptal?
As you can see, people here have offered alternative treatments. I hope that gives you hope.
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 11, 2015, at 11:22:13
In reply to Re: Bipolar depression - need med suggestions » momandwife, posted by SLS on May 11, 2015, at 9:28:48
That seems like an awful lot.
Just saying.
Posted by PeterMartin on May 11, 2015, at 11:39:19
In reply to Re: Bipolar depression - need med suggestions » momandwife, posted by SLS on May 11, 2015, at 9:28:48
Vitamin D supplements actually makes me depressed - Just throwing that out there. I think they very recently found depressed people have low levels but it's more an effect of being depressed vs a cause of depression.
Im not huge on Seroquel (I take 50/100 for sleep). If it's making him flat tell the doc.....it's definitely sedating.
Good luck.
Posted by momandwife on May 11, 2015, at 13:28:49
In reply to Re: Bipolar depression - need med suggestions, posted by Christ_empowered on May 11, 2015, at 7:07:05
Thank you for all of your suggestions. To give a little more info:
He has had two trials of Abilify. At first it was a miracle....but then the muscle twitches started and rapidly moved to large involuntary movements. Also he had to take Cogentin with it just to get past the anxiety.
He tried Deplin - no reaction whatsoever.
Vitamin D - he was very low for years...do you think it would be worth just stopping it for a time to see what happens? I don't remember any great reaction when he started it...just that the doc (at the time) said he needed it due to his levels being so low.
He tried Lamictal at 300 - interfered with sleep and just didn't seem to do much so we reduced it back down.
He was on Pristiq for a long time and was stable ....but then plunged in to a deep depression so the doc stopped it thinking it may be doing more harm than good.
He hasn't tried any of the MOAI's or Wellbutrin, so we'll discuss those at his next appt.
Seroquel replaced Latuda since Latuda at any dose higher than 20 was causing anger issues.
Right now he functions but that is it. I am so worried. The "flatness" is scarier than anger.
Posted by SilentScream on May 11, 2015, at 16:43:11
In reply to Re: Bipolar depression - need med suggestions » momandwife, posted by Tomatheus on May 10, 2015, at 22:34:35
Ginkgo biloba worked like a charm, for me. I honestly never felt so positively motivated since my 13 years of age.
No mania, either.
I take lithium 950mg a day, plus l-theanine.Howver, I'm like your husband, I have almost no mania. Just mild hypomania that is mostly anxiety or anger.
Posted by Tomatheus on May 11, 2015, at 20:41:36
In reply to Re: Bipolar depression - need med suggestions, posted by momandwife on May 11, 2015, at 13:28:49
Regarding vitamin D, briefly stopping supplementation to see what happens might not be a bad idea, but there is, of course, a risk that your husband's vitamin D level might drop back into the insufficient or deficient range if he stays off of the vitamin for an extended period of time. I'd recommend seeking a medical professional's advice on what maintenance dose to use for vitamin D supplementation. Getting your husband's vitamin D level tested again might also be a good idea. As I said in my last post, 10,000 IU daily for an extended period of time seems to me to be more than enough, but you and your husband can get a better idea as to whether your husband has too much vitamin D in his system by getting his level retested.
Tomatheus
Posted by 10derheart on May 13, 2015, at 1:47:38
In reply to Lou's response-puldhawul » momandwife, posted by Lou Pilder on May 11, 2015, at 7:35:09
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 13, 2015, at 6:27:58
In reply to Re: Bipolar depression - need med suggestions, posted by momandwife on May 11, 2015, at 13:28:49
> Thank you for all of your suggestions. To give a little more info:
> He has had two trials of Abilify. At first it was a miracle....but then the muscle twitches started and rapidly moved to large involuntary movements. Also he had to take Cogentin with it just to get past the anxiety.
> He tried Deplin - no reaction whatsoever.
> Vitamin D - he was very low for years...do you think it would be worth just stopping it for a time to see what happens? I don't remember any great reaction when he started it...just that the doc (at the time) said he needed it due to his levels being so low.
> He tried Lamictal at 300 - interfered with sleep and just didn't seem to do much so we reduced it back down.
> He was on Pristiq for a long time and was stable ....but then plunged in to a deep depression so the doc stopped it thinking it may be doing more harm than good.
> He hasn't tried any of the MOAI's or Wellbutrin, so we'll discuss those at his next appt.
> Seroquel replaced Latuda since Latuda at any dose higher than 20 was causing anger issues.
> Right now he functions but that is it. I am so worried. The "flatness" is scarier than anger.momandwife,
You wrote,[...need med suggestions...I am so worried, The "flatness" is scarier than anger...].
The list of mind-altering chemicals, that are promoted here as "medicines", that your husband has been subjected to by the prescribing psychiatrist/doctor, could be the precipitator of what you describe as "flatness" that is scary to you. I do not think one has to be a mastermind to make a connection that the chemicals in the drugs could have caused this condition that your husband is in. And if you think that another drug will change that, I ask you what basis could you have to think that if the drugs already taken have caused the flatness?
Many here could tell you to take another drug and your prescriber could tell you that also. But where is the evidence that inundating your husband's brain and nervous system with chemicals that some have been used in the commission of mass-murder, and that could lead to life-ruining conditions and addiction and death, reverse what the drugs already taken could have done to your husband?
You see, I could post here what I think could save your husband's life and have him be led out of the raging sea of depression to be beside the still waters for a new life of peace and joy. Gone could be the dark clouds and the cold winds to return to the green fields to see the flowers kissed by the sun that you could have known.
But I am prevented from posting that here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung. It would come from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me that contains the foundation of Judaism which he prohibits me to post here. Yet the foundation of hatred toward the Jews is openly standing here to be seen as supportive, over and over, despite my continual pleas to him and up to six deputies to stop it. There are other prohibition to me of which one prevents me from posting here the historical relation between psychiatry and mass-murder.
But there is way for me to post that here. It could be done by you having your prescriber enter this forum and have dialog with me here. I could use the dialog to bring this out. The dialog could expose what could cause your husband's death and if we could have this dialog, or even if we do not, the blood of your husband will not be upon me if he is killed by the drugs, for I think that I have a duty to try and save lives and have done what I could while honoring Mr. Hsiung's prohibitions to me here.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 13, 2015, at 6:53:32
In reply to Lou's response-ask the prescriber » momandwife, posted by Lou Pilder on May 13, 2015, at 6:27:58
> > Thank you for all of your suggestions. To give a little more info:
> > He has had two trials of Abilify. At first it was a miracle....but then the muscle twitches started and rapidly moved to large involuntary movements. Also he had to take Cogentin with it just to get past the anxiety.
> > He tried Deplin - no reaction whatsoever.
> > Vitamin D - he was very low for years...do you think it would be worth just stopping it for a time to see what happens? I don't remember any great reaction when he started it...just that the doc (at the time) said he needed it due to his levels being so low.
> > He tried Lamictal at 300 - interfered with sleep and just didn't seem to do much so we reduced it back down.
> > He was on Pristiq for a long time and was stable ....but then plunged in to a deep depression so the doc stopped it thinking it may be doing more harm than good.
> > He hasn't tried any of the MOAI's or Wellbutrin, so we'll discuss those at his next appt.
> > Seroquel replaced Latuda since Latuda at any dose higher than 20 was causing anger issues.
> > Right now he functions but that is it. I am so worried. The "flatness" is scarier than anger.
>
> momandwife,
> You wrote,[...need med suggestions...I am so worried, The "flatness" is scarier than anger...].
> The list of mind-altering chemicals, that are promoted here as "medicines", that your husband has been subjected to by the prescribing psychiatrist/doctor, could be the precipitator of what you describe as "flatness" that is scary to you. I do not think one has to be a mastermind to make a connection that the chemicals in the drugs could have caused this condition that your husband is in. And if you think that another drug will change that, I ask you what basis could you have to think that if the drugs already taken have caused the flatness?
> Many here could tell you to take another drug and your prescriber could tell you that also. But where is the evidence that inundating your husband's brain and nervous system with chemicals that some have been used in the commission of mass-murder, and that could lead to life-ruining conditions and addiction and death, reverse what the drugs already taken could have done to your husband?
> You see, I could post here what I think could save your husband's life and have him be led out of the raging sea of depression to be beside the still waters for a new life of peace and joy. Gone could be the dark clouds and the cold winds to return to the green fields to see the flowers kissed by the sun that you could have known.
> But I am prevented from posting that here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung. It would come from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me that contains the foundation of Judaism which he prohibits me to post here. Yet the foundation of hatred toward the Jews is openly standing here to be seen as supportive, over and over, despite my continual pleas to him and up to six deputies to stop it. There are other prohibition to me of which one prevents me from posting here the historical relation between psychiatry and mass-murder.
> But there is way for me to post that here. It could be done by you having your prescriber enter this forum and have dialog with me here. I could use the dialog to bring this out. The dialog could expose what could cause your husband's death and if we could have this dialog, or even if we do not, the blood of your husband will not be upon me if he is killed by the drugs, for I think that I have a duty to try and save lives and have done what I could while honoring Mr. Hsiung's prohibitions to me here.
> Loumomandwife,
You wrote,[...I would appreciate any suggestions...].
The chemicals in the drugs live after they are stopped in that the body could react when the drugs are stopped to induce a mind-altered state to compel your husband to kill himself and or others and even commit mass-murder.
I could show you and your husband how to get through this state if he stops the drugs. For you list that he has taken some for a long time which could cause addiction. But since there are prohibitions to me here by Mr. Hsiung that prevent me from doing that, I have the following suggestion if you want to post with me.
First, I would like for you to do a search using Google to bring up:
[ I.G. Farben ]
and then:
[ T4 ]
If you could do that, and then post here, I could know that you have that knowledge and have dialog with you here to lead you and your husband to truth that IMHHHO could save your husband's life.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 13, 2015, at 6:59:37
In reply to Lou's response to momandwife-appreciate any, posted by Lou Pilder on May 13, 2015, at 6:53:32
> > > Thank you for all of your suggestions. To give a little more info:
> > > He has had two trials of Abilify. At first it was a miracle....but then the muscle twitches started and rapidly moved to large involuntary movements. Also he had to take Cogentin with it just to get past the anxiety.
> > > He tried Deplin - no reaction whatsoever.
> > > Vitamin D - he was very low for years...do you think it would be worth just stopping it for a time to see what happens? I don't remember any great reaction when he started it...just that the doc (at the time) said he needed it due to his levels being so low.
> > > He tried Lamictal at 300 - interfered with sleep and just didn't seem to do much so we reduced it back down.
> > > He was on Pristiq for a long time and was stable ....but then plunged in to a deep depression so the doc stopped it thinking it may be doing more harm than good.
> > > He hasn't tried any of the MOAI's or Wellbutrin, so we'll discuss those at his next appt.
> > > Seroquel replaced Latuda since Latuda at any dose higher than 20 was causing anger issues.
> > > Right now he functions but that is it. I am so worried. The "flatness" is scarier than anger.
> >
> > momandwife,
> > You wrote,[...need med suggestions...I am so worried, The "flatness" is scarier than anger...].
> > The list of mind-altering chemicals, that are promoted here as "medicines", that your husband has been subjected to by the prescribing psychiatrist/doctor, could be the precipitator of what you describe as "flatness" that is scary to you. I do not think one has to be a mastermind to make a connection that the chemicals in the drugs could have caused this condition that your husband is in. And if you think that another drug will change that, I ask you what basis could you have to think that if the drugs already taken have caused the flatness?
> > Many here could tell you to take another drug and your prescriber could tell you that also. But where is the evidence that inundating your husband's brain and nervous system with chemicals that some have been used in the commission of mass-murder, and that could lead to life-ruining conditions and addiction and death, reverse what the drugs already taken could have done to your husband?
> > You see, I could post here what I think could save your husband's life and have him be led out of the raging sea of depression to be beside the still waters for a new life of peace and joy. Gone could be the dark clouds and the cold winds to return to the green fields to see the flowers kissed by the sun that you could have known.
> > But I am prevented from posting that here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung. It would come from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me that contains the foundation of Judaism which he prohibits me to post here. Yet the foundation of hatred toward the Jews is openly standing here to be seen as supportive, over and over, despite my continual pleas to him and up to six deputies to stop it. There are other prohibition to me of which one prevents me from posting here the historical relation between psychiatry and mass-murder.
> > But there is way for me to post that here. It could be done by you having your prescriber enter this forum and have dialog with me here. I could use the dialog to bring this out. The dialog could expose what could cause your husband's death and if we could have this dialog, or even if we do not, the blood of your husband will not be upon me if he is killed by the drugs, for I think that I have a duty to try and save lives and have done what I could while honoring Mr. Hsiung's prohibitions to me here.
> > Lou
>
> momandwife,
> You wrote,[...I would appreciate any suggestions...].
> The chemicals in the drugs live after they are stopped in that the body could react when the drugs are stopped to induce a mind-altered state to compel your husband to kill himself and or others and even commit mass-murder.
> I could show you and your husband how to get through this state if he stops the drugs. For you list that he has taken some for a long time which could cause addiction. But since there are prohibitions to me here by Mr. Hsiung that prevent me from doing that, I have the following suggestion if you want to post with me.
> First, I would like for you to do a search using Google to bring up:
> [ I.G. Farben ]
> and then:
> [ T4 ]
> If you could do that, and then post here, I could know that you have that knowledge and have dialog with you here to lead you and your husband to truth that IMHHHO could save your husband's life.
> Lou
>
Friends,
A correction in the search involving T4 is:
[ action T4 ] instead of just [ T4 ]
Lou
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