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Posted by bleauberry on April 17, 2018, at 8:27:03
So this happened to someone I know last week.
The person is healthy and productive. They've had some random 'crashes' before. They resolve in a few weeks and then return at random. The crashes are a mixture of dark depression, suicidal thoughts, feelings of worthlessness, unexplained fear, dread, easily agitated, and panic.
Everyone here who knows me probably can guess what I was thinking as I observed this person. They do have other symptoms - most of us do - besides just psychiatric. And it paints a picture.
The person was asked if they would try an experiment. They said they would do anything. The person took one pill of Rifampin and one pill of Doxycycline.
Within 24 hours the person was about 70% improved, engaged in life again, and clearly not in the crash anymore. And totally exhausted from it all. Again 2 more pills. The next day 80% improved.
That person has since hooked up with an LLNP (Lyme Literate Nurse Practitioner). The person may have more crashes before remission - Herxing or 'die-off' is as nasty as the original symptoms. But they are clearly on a path to restoring wellness, not merely managing disease.
Managing disease would mean psychiatric meds for the symptoms, with no regard to why the symptoms exist in the first place. Any other doctor would have diagnosed this person as bipolar. I know this person. They are not bipolar. But it sure looks bipolar. It isn't. It is an unsuspected stealth infection impacting the brain. The rapid response to ABX was the confirmation.
In my case, years ago, my initial response to ABX (antibiotics) was nowhere near that dramatic. But I definitely felt a few hours on day 2 and day 3 where I could honestly say, "I still feel like crap but I feel better than I have in longer than I can remember."
FYI
Posted by Jeroen on April 17, 2018, at 10:57:38
In reply to Antibiotic Arrests A Crash, posted by bleauberry on April 17, 2018, at 8:27:03
its CBD or doxycycline for me bleauberry, please help me bleauberry i dont know what to do.
Posted by Jeroen on April 17, 2018, at 10:58:51
In reply to its CBD or doxycycline for me bleauberry, please h, posted by Jeroen on April 17, 2018, at 10:57:38
Ed_Uk can you also please advice on what to do
my shrink is suggesting CBD for schizophrenia altough i respond to mino ABX 50 mg, what should i do?
Posted by bleauberry on April 17, 2018, at 13:09:10
In reply to its CBD or doxycycline for me bleauberry, please h, posted by Jeroen on April 17, 2018, at 10:57:38
> its CBD or doxycycline for me bleauberry, please help me bleauberry i dont know what to do.
Jereon I think CBD offers the most potential for you.
That's because Doxy by itself - without 2 other antibiotics to go with it - will never get you to the finish line. It will get you part way through the journey but end up making things worse eventually - if it is the only antibiotic. That's because the spirochete Borellia morphs into 3 different forms when under attack. Doxy only covers 2 of those. Over time Doxy will cause all the remaining live Borellia to morph into their cystic form where Doxy is ineffective.
You would need Flagyl for the cystic form and you would need Ceftin for the cell-wall deficient form. Or other choices. But the different forms require different treatments and they have to happen at the same time.
If there is a co-infection of Bartonella - common - then you would need Rifampin added to all that.
I am on 4 antibiotics right now. Doxy-Ceftin-Rifampin-and Flagyl on weekends. I was on Doxy for a long time - the first couple months I got a little better - but things got worse and worse after that - until adding the other antibiotics which caused rapid improvement.
CBD offers a wide spectrum potential of improving your symptoms and quality of life. It may or may not be effective against the actual underlying problem (assuming infection). But returning to our best functional selves should be the goal and we are limited by what tools we can get our hands on.
If I was in your shoes and I could choose one of 2 tools, knowing what I know now, I would choose CBD over Doxy.
I would also be consuming as much raw garlic as I could possibly do, with respect to my lifestyle and social contact. Garlic covers all the different forms of Borellia and co-infections. It requires high dosing (think stink) and several months. Take breaks to not smell all the time.
In my own experience, CBD sometimes needs high dosing to be effective. I tried it a few weeks ago for a strong anxiety attack from lyme - it worked fairly well at 1 dropper but noticeably better at 2 droppers. It helped mood and peace. Also good for pain and sometimes fatigue.
Feeling better is always the goal and I think CBD does that better than Doxy. imo
Posted by ed_uk2010 on April 17, 2018, at 14:42:32
In reply to Ed_Uk can you also please advice on what to do, posted by Jeroen on April 17, 2018, at 10:58:51
> Ed_Uk can you also please advice on what to do
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> my shrink is suggesting CBD for schizophreniaIs he going to prescribe this for you?
Posted by Jeroen on April 17, 2018, at 16:08:32
In reply to Re: Ed_Uk can you also please advice on what to do » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk2010 on April 17, 2018, at 14:42:32
Yes, maybe but i dont know what is a safe dose of CBD
Posted by SLS on April 17, 2018, at 17:37:35
In reply to Re: Ed_Uk can you also please advice on what to do, posted by Jeroen on April 17, 2018, at 16:08:32
Hi, Jeroen
Cannabidiol (CBD) is good for some things and not for others. For instance, cancer patients smoke marijuana to increase their appetite and prevent weight loss. However, it is the THC that is responsible for this. CBD by itself suppresses appetite. On the other hand, THC promotes psychosis while CBD suppresses it.
Specifically, what do YOU need CBD to do for you?
- Scott
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