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Posted by alexandra_k on September 30, 2004, at 22:02:31
I have to say that I haven't been keeping up with the admin. board particularly - things have been moving so fast there... As a consequence I may have misunderstood or failed to read something important, but I think the 3 posts rule is nice. Sure '3' is arbitrary, but it seems a reasonable number to me. Even baby babbles conform to conversational turn taking. I like the below link - without turns one doesn't have a conversation, one has a lecture. I personally don't read series of posts from just one poster as I like to read a variety of views on a topic.
http://homepage.mac.com/dcarroll2/2002/TESL2/lecture10.htm
Just my 2 cents worth...
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 30, 2004, at 22:22:14
In reply to conversational turn taking, posted by alexandra_k on September 30, 2004, at 22:02:31
alexandra_k,
I have read your post. But I believe that there are issues involved in the discussion than what is in your post.
If a "lecture" occurs, how could it be the fault of the poster, because anyone at any time can post in the thread. It would be different if posters were actually told that they can not post in the thread, but that is not the case here.
My "unique"? style of posting is a result of factors that I have no controll over and can not change. I welcome anyone to post at anytime while I am posting. Posters could ask me for clarification at any time which could have the effect of placing a post in between my posts. And I would feel honored if someone asked me to clarify something that I wrote.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 30, 2004, at 22:35:56
In reply to Lou's response to alexandra_k » alexandra_k, posted by Lou Pilder on September 30, 2004, at 22:22:14
alexandra_k,
My "unque"? style of posting has been called by some as a logical unfolding. This unfolding has the potential to reveal what others can not see. I like to think that it is like looking in a mirror in a dark room and the light slowly increases to reveal what was in a dark room. It would not matter how many posts were inserted between my posts to do this. Others may not post while I am posting because they might see the unfolding and do not want to interrupt it. Others may not post while I am posting because they may want to wait untill more light occurs. Others may not post while I am posting because they may not understand what is available to them at that time. Others may not post while I am posting because they are not interested . But whatever reason that there is not a post inserted between my posts, it is not because there is some prohibition to doing it.
The style that I use is called an apokolupsis. I did not learn it, for it is the only way that I can post because of my condition. I consider it to be a gift.
Lou
Posted by alexandra_k on September 30, 2004, at 23:53:25
In reply to Lou's response to alexandra_k » alexandra_k, posted by Lou Pilder on September 30, 2004, at 22:22:14
> If a "lecture" occurs, how could it be the fault of the poster.
I wasn't intending to blame / assign fault.
> My "unique"? style of posting is a result of factors that I have no controll over and can not change.
I am sorry, but I find it very hard to believe that you could be so dysregulated as to not have at least some control over your posting style.
Posted by alexandra_k on September 30, 2004, at 23:58:37
In reply to Lou's response to alexandra_k-2 » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on September 30, 2004, at 22:35:56
> My "unque"? style of posting has been called by some as a logical unfolding. This unfolding has the potential to reveal what others can not see. I like to think that it is like looking in a mirror in a dark room and the light slowly increases to reveal what was in a dark room. It would not matter how many posts were inserted between my posts to do this. Others may not post while I am posting because they might see the unfolding and do not want to interrupt it. Others may not post while I am posting because they may want to wait untill more light occurs. Others may not post while I am posting because they may not understand what is available to them at that time. Others may not post while I am posting because they are not interested . But whatever reason that there is not a post inserted between my posts, it is not because there is some prohibition to doing it.
> The style that I use is called an apokolupsis. I did not learn it, for it is the only way that I can post because of my condition. I consider it to be a gift.
> LouI value your contribution to the board, and did not intend my post to be a personal attack. I do think that rows of posts from one poster is a bit excessive, however, and is a monologue rather than a conversation.
I am sorry (you can disagree if you like) but I do refuse to believe that you are unable to control your posting style. What about a 'one post per ___' rule where you assign yourself a certain amount of time to try to pack all that content into a single (or even three) posts?
I appreciate that you like being able to post like that, but I also appreciate the notion that babble is intended to be a group that converses.
Posted by gardenergirl on October 1, 2004, at 0:33:22
In reply to Lou's response to alexandra_k-2 » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on September 30, 2004, at 22:35:56
Lou,
It sounds a bit as if your posting style allows us to see your thought process as it unfolds. Is that what you are referring to?
gg
Posted by Dinah on October 1, 2004, at 1:00:10
In reply to Unfolding » Lou Pilder, posted by gardenergirl on October 1, 2004, at 0:33:22
I found it very interesting to do a google search on that word. I learned something I hadn't known before. And I was touched that Lou shared something about how he considered this a gift of his.
As it happens, my major gift is one that frequently causes me a lot of pain socially, Lou. My therapist has taught me to be proud of it, or maybe he's still teaching me. I'd be happy to continue the discussion on Social or Faith, if you're interested, Lou. To my knowledge, it doesn't have a name though. I'd sure like to find a name for it. (a good name - I've been given a few bad names)
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 1, 2004, at 9:50:12
In reply to Re: Unfolding, posted by Dinah on October 1, 2004, at 1:00:10
> I'd be happy to continue the discussion on Social or Faith...
How about Social? Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20041001/msgs/397821.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 1, 2004, at 9:55:52
In reply to Re: Lou » Lou Pilder, posted by alexandra_k on September 30, 2004, at 23:53:25
> > My ... style of posting is a result of factors that I have no controll over
>
> I find it very hard to believe that you could be so dysregulated as to not have at least some control over your posting style.Keeping in mind that the idea here is not to post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, could you please rephrase that?
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Susan47 on October 1, 2004, at 11:39:36
In reply to Re: Lou » Lou Pilder, posted by alexandra_k on September 30, 2004, at 23:53:25
I'm in sympathy with Lou, and what you said showed a clear lack of understanding and respect for him. Sorry. :[
Posted by Susan47 on October 1, 2004, at 11:42:05
In reply to Re: Lou's response to alexandra_k-2 » Lou Pilder, posted by alexandra_k on September 30, 2004, at 23:58:37
attempts to post because of Lou's style? Does his way of posting negate any contributions you have to make? I'm open to your clear answer.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 1, 2004, at 14:22:47
In reply to Alexandra, have you been frustrated in your, posted by Susan47 on October 1, 2004, at 11:42:05
> attempts to post because of Lou's style? Does his way of posting negate any contributions you have to make? I'm open to your clear answer.
Susan,
You have brought up a good point. Anyone at any time can post here. If I am posting, does that mean that others can not? There are many boards here. I am just a tinkling cymbal in a symphony here. How could my posts even be heard among the Frech Horns hear, or the Clarinets, or the Violins, or the Tubas, or the Baratone Saxaphones or the Percussions or the Harps or the Pianos or the Bassoons?
Susan, could you play on?
Lou
Posted by AuntieMel on October 1, 2004, at 15:28:23
In reply to Lou's response to Susan47's respons to alexandra_k, posted by Lou Pilder on October 1, 2004, at 14:22:47
Can play on and *have* played on.
But, then again, I had 3 kids. There isn't much I can't tune out....
Posted by Fi on October 1, 2004, at 17:03:57
In reply to conversational turn taking, posted by alexandra_k on September 30, 2004, at 22:02:31
I feel the same as you- and also havent read *all* the postings on this subject (there are so many).
Tho I expect its also something where there is no solution that will be acceptable to everyone, so this thread could go on for ever!
Fi
Posted by Susan47 on October 1, 2004, at 21:19:31
In reply to Re: I could play on » Lou Pilder, posted by AuntieMel on October 1, 2004, at 15:28:23
Sorry you didn't like it. :(
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 2, 2004, at 19:11:46
In reply to Alexandra-k, posted by Susan47 on October 1, 2004, at 11:39:36
> what you said showed a clear lack of understanding and respect for him.
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused. The last time you were blocked it was for 1 week; this time I'm making it for 2.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by alexandra_k on October 3, 2004, at 2:21:11
In reply to Re: please rephrase that » alexandra_k, posted by Dr. Bob on October 1, 2004, at 9:55:52
> > > My ... style of posting is a result of factors that I have no controll over
> >
> > I find it very hard to believe that you could be so dysregulated as to not have at least some control over your posting style.> Keeping in mind that the idea here is not to post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, could you please rephrase that?
I apologise if anyone felt accused or put down at the above statement. I was intending to express faith that people are responsible for their posts in the sense that they have some control over them and can be held accountable for them. I choose not to believe otherwise, that is true.
I did not understand about the 'unfolding' - as I said, I hadn't read much of the posts. If this is a stylistic variation - as it seems it was, then I do have sympathy for the idea. I just also felt sympathy for those who feel overwhelmed by the number of posts on occasions. I like the notion of your posts being like music and revise my initial thought that you could unfold in word and post the edited and revised version in babble.
I am sorry if I caused offence,
and I am sorry Lou, for not understanding your style before I commented on it. I did say that I hadn't read much - and I see now that I should have at least tried before commenting.
Posted by alexandra_k on October 3, 2004, at 2:22:48
In reply to Alexandra, have you been frustrated in your, posted by Susan47 on October 1, 2004, at 11:42:05
> attempts to post because of Lou's style? Does his way of posting negate any contributions you have to make? I'm open to your clear answer.
No, not at all. It wasn't about Lou - it was about the three posts rule.
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 5, 2004, at 2:36:39
In reply to Re: please rephrase that » Dr. Bob, posted by alexandra_k on October 3, 2004, at 2:21:11
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