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Posted by stjames on December 1, 2003, at 20:18:51
In reply to Re: Homeopathic Remedies » stjames, posted by Larry Hoover on December 1, 2003, at 6:39:19
> Although I steadfastly agree that homeopathy is based on what I can only call irrational principles, it is apparently used with some success in veterinary practise. I couldn't find the abstract I was looking for (it had better data). I offer this for interest only.
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> Lar
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> Br Homeopath J. 2001 Jan;90(1):33-6.
So, you are arguing both sides now ?By default I do not trust "Br Homeopath J".
The fact that you can copy and paste a study
proves nothing.If I give a hourse an M&M and it dies, then the M&M killed the house. Poor logic, confusing cause and effect.
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 2, 2003, at 9:28:10
In reply to Re: Homeopathic Remedies, posted by stjames on December 1, 2003, at 20:18:51
> > Although I steadfastly agree that homeopathy is based on what I can only call irrational principles, it is apparently used with some success in veterinary practise. I couldn't find the abstract I was looking for (it had better data). I offer this for interest only.
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> > Lar
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> > Br Homeopath J. 2001 Jan;90(1):33-6.
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> So, you are arguing both sides now ?No. I find it intriguing that homeopathy is used in veterinary medicine.....as there is unlikely to be any possibility of placebo effect, due to the inability to communicate the nature of the treatment to the creature in receipt thereof.
> By default I do not trust "Br Homeopath J".
> The fact that you can copy and paste a study
> proves nothing.I wasn't trying to prove anything....merely expanding the discussion.
> If I give a hourse an M&M and it dies, then the M&M killed the house. Poor logic, confusing cause and effect.That's one valid explanation, coincidental correlation.....
....I can assure you I was not implying causation. I do know better than that. ;-)
I came across a more thought-provoking abstract on Pubmed, once upon a time, showing a very robust homeopathic treatment effect in a veterinary application, but I was unable to find it again this time.
There is no scientific explanation for telepathy, but I do it, so I believe in it. That doesn't mean I have the slightest idea what "causes" it.
The doctors who do homeopathy believe in it (as do the veterinarians). Not being able to explain it scientifically does not disprove it, nor does the invocation of scientific arguments arguments why it could not work. I think it's hocus-pocus, but I don't know that it is.
Lar
Posted by tealady on December 4, 2003, at 9:20:51
In reply to Re: Homeopathic Remedies » stjames, posted by Larry Hoover on December 2, 2003, at 9:28:10
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> ....I can assure you I was not implying causation. I do know better than that. ;-)
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> There is no scientific explanation for telepathy, but I do it, so I believe in it.
:) ..That doesn't mean I have the slightest idea what "causes" it.
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> The doctors who do homeopathy believe in it (as do the veterinarians). Not being able to explain it scientifically does not disprove it, nor does the invocation of scientific arguments arguments why it could not work. I think it's hocus-pocus, but I don't know that it is.
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> Lar
I tried homeopathy for I think a couple of years a while ago.
The whole family used to go.
I didn't notice any improvement..the problem here being the practioner liked to treat when you were well to strengthen the immune system.
This practioner liked to see you all monthly even when well...so he never treated anything when we were actually sick.
I thought perhaps I was made worse with migraines etc.The kids reactions were interesting (if you step back and view coldly and scientifically only)
They were 6 and under at the time and they usually had negative reactions to the drops.This homeopath made up his own drops..he was also a lecturer at the college at the time and was also a herbalist...but I was only using the drops.
I ended up with so many bottles of drops.
Perhaps it was the practioner (like not as good as others) in the case of all treatments I guess and I admit I only tried the one homeopath.The kids , I thought, had some bad reactions to the drops. The most obvious one being lumps all over palms of hand and inside mouth. I gave up after that.
There was definitely an effect, but was it just contaminated drops?I do know the argument is that "stuff" has to come to the surface through the skin (I think) but I didn't think there was a problem to start with.
Jan
Posted by TeeJay on December 4, 2003, at 11:20:49
In reply to Re: Homeopathic Remedies » Larry Hoover, posted by tealady on December 4, 2003, at 9:20:51
<i>I do know the argument is that "stuff" has to come to the surface through the skin (I think) but I didn't think there was a problem to start with. </i>
Therein lies the problem, IE there are many problems we cant see. Did the homeopath help or hinder you? Well, how long is a piece of string?
I've often considered this myself after seeing Jan de Vries, a well respected homeopath and herbalist for some years. Some people said he didnt help me, but I think my health has deteriorated faster since I stopped seeing him. Is that my imagination, or did his remedies help me to some degree? Without being able to go back and do it all again differently and measure the differences, its almost impossible to know.
Having said all that, I went to get a few more vits today and the lady inthe shop recommended some Gelsemium for my hand tremors, so I thought I'd give them a try.
I try to keep an open mind on all all these various alternative treatments....after all, just because we dont understand it doesnt mean it doesnt work. Of course the opposite is also true.
Regards
Phil
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