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Posted by hundredhugs on March 30, 2004, at 18:19:29
I have heard that there are some alternative "natural" approaches that can cause mania, like sam-e. Are there any others and where would I find this information as I am interested in trying to go natural and get off as many Rx as possible.
Hundredhugs
Posted by Ed O`Flaherty on March 31, 2004, at 4:23:02
In reply to Alternative approaches that can cause mania?, posted by hundredhugs on March 30, 2004, at 18:19:29
Andrew Stoll M.D. found in his research on omega-3 fatty acids in bipolar disorder that it can very occasionally induce mania.This is more likely to happen in those who take e.g. flaxseed oil rather than fish oil though.Recent work in the Pfeiffer Center in Chicago shows that pyroluric bipolar patients benefit from omega-6 fatty acids rather than omega-3.They also need vit B6 and zinc and can do very well.A urine test for kryptopyrroles can be used to determine who are pyroluric.I routinely do that test and a histamine test on my patients with schizophrenia,bipolar and sometimes depression.See www.omega3.20megsfree.com for more info.
Posted by hundredhugs on March 31, 2004, at 4:34:05
In reply to Re: Alternative approaches that can cause mania?, posted by Ed O`Flaherty on March 31, 2004, at 4:23:02
Thank you Ed I will Check out the link you gave me. I have heard that Omgea 3 was good for bipolar but didn't know how (I don't even know where to start with this)but did't kow there were bad forms. I wanted to make sure to know which ones to avoid as to not cause any mania.
Thank you for your help.
Hundredhugs
Posted by hundredhugs on March 31, 2004, at 5:45:19
In reply to Re: Alternative approaches that can cause mania?, posted by Ed O`Flaherty on March 31, 2004, at 4:23:02
Ed,
After reading your website (which I found very informative), I am confused as to what amount of omega 3 fish oil to try...1 or 5 for bipolar?
Thanks again,
Hundredhugs
Posted by Jai Narayan on March 31, 2004, at 21:12:31
In reply to Re: Alternative approaches that can cause mania?, posted by Ed O`Flaherty on March 31, 2004, at 4:23:02
Are you really that name you say and are you a Doctor?
I know that my family have had both BiPola and other disorders....Your suggestion has implications.
I think you are on the right track for these disorders.
Posted by Ed O`Flaherty on April 1, 2004, at 3:54:40
In reply to Re: Alternative approaches that can cause mania? » Ed O`Flaherty, posted by hundredhugs on March 31, 2004, at 5:45:19
> Ed,
>
> After reading your website (which I found very informative), I am confused as to what amount of omega 3 fish oil to try...1 or 5 for bipolar?
>
> Thanks again,
> HundredhugsThe dose used by Stoll in his famous article in Archives of General Psychiatry in 1999 was 9.6g of fish oil daily.This is the total of EPA and DHA,not the actual weight of the capsules themselves.Typically 1000mg capsules contain 180mg of EPA and 120 DHA giving 300 mg of omega-3.In that case the dose would be 9.6 divided by 0.3 giving you 32 capsules per day.In practice a much smaller amount of about 5g works for many,so if you start on 9.6g then reduce it quite soon if you feel well.Do not come off the medication prescribed by your psychiatrist-simply add the fish oil. If you have symptoms of pyroluria as described on my site then omega-3 would probably not be a good idea.Neither would it be a good idea if you have a blood clotting problem.Stoll favors high concentration of EPA such as Omegabrite (www.omegabrite.com)as the best type of fish oil.I think it is worthwhile doing tests for kryptopyrroles and histamine as described on my site for bipolar as well as schizophrenic and even depressed patients as there appears to be different biochemical types not recognised by most psychiatrists-I am a family doctor in Ireland and not a psychiatrist.The pyrolurics do well on zinc, primrose oil and vit B6.Many rapid cycling bipolar patients in particular are pyroluric and the change seen in some cases is dramatic.
Posted by hundredhugs on April 1, 2004, at 5:37:43
In reply to Is this your real name?, posted by Jai Narayan on March 31, 2004, at 21:12:31
I am not a Dr. I am just interested in looking into getting off some of my meds. I do have a background in the medical feild as an Occupational Therapist though, but I am not a dr.
Hundredhugs
Posted by hundredhugs on April 1, 2004, at 5:47:02
In reply to Re: Alternative approaches that can cause mania?, posted by Ed O`Flaherty on April 1, 2004, at 3:54:40
I will copy this post for my psychiatrist and see what she thinks ( if that is ok with you ) and part of your site to explain the tests, ect. I am a rapid seasonal cycler and am VERY tired of cycling! Plus, I am so SICK of meds, what will they do to me 10 or 20 years down the road??
Thank you for your help,
Hundredhugs
Posted by joebob on April 1, 2004, at 9:53:31
In reply to Re: Alternative approaches that can cause mania?, posted by Ed O`Flaherty on April 1, 2004, at 3:54:40
maintenance, due to the proper ratio of epa to dha...
anecdotal reports have led me to beleive they are better than omega brite....
the dose i use and have researched is 1gm of epa, regardless of dha, as long as the ratio is 3:1 or greater.....
recent research has confirmed this protocolwhere in ireland? i have good friends who are psychiatrists outside of dublin....see the book 'going mad'
love your posts and site
best
Posted by joebob on April 1, 2004, at 10:12:58
In reply to Re: Alternative approaches that can cause mania?, posted by Ed O`Flaherty on April 1, 2004, at 3:54:40
by d. horrobin and dr. peet, i think they were the pregenetors of stoll and have done better work
best
Posted by bookgurl99 on April 5, 2004, at 16:57:55
In reply to Alternative approaches that can cause mania?, posted by hundredhugs on March 30, 2004, at 18:19:29
In my own personal experience, I had hypomanic symptoms when I tried NADH and L-Tyrosine around the same time. These both went away when I stopped them.
Posted by hundredhugs on April 6, 2004, at 8:09:44
In reply to Re: Alternative approaches that can cause mania?, posted by bookgurl99 on April 5, 2004, at 16:57:55
Thank you for your input, I have a tendency to get manic easily and want to avoid anything that may make me manic. I will remember these two.
Thank you much!
Hundredhugs
Posted by hundredhugs on April 6, 2004, at 8:14:03
In reply to Re: Alternative approaches that can cause mania?, posted by bookgurl99 on April 5, 2004, at 16:57:55
Does anyone know of a good book on alternative approaches and bipolar? I really don't know WHERE to start with this. I think I am going to start with the omega 3 fish oil but from there I don't know and what to do. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Hundredhugs
Posted by mistermindmasta on April 7, 2004, at 22:39:59
In reply to Books on alternative treatment for bipolar?, posted by hundredhugs on April 6, 2004, at 8:14:03
I feel that food can cause mania! Mostly, foods that react with the immune system can react in genetically susceptible people to cause mania. I get mania like symptoms from rice + peanuts from (i assume) excess NE production. I get very hyper. Not actual MANIA, more like hypomania. I feel VERY VERY hyper. I can go into detail w. this if you want... let me know if you're interested in changing your diet so as to help your particular mental issue. I have a lot of dietary experience.
Posted by joebob on April 8, 2004, at 11:11:55
In reply to Re: Books on alternative treatment for bipolar?, posted by mistermindmasta on April 7, 2004, at 22:39:59
number of symptoms.....
rice on the other hand is farily benign, but use only organic rice, esp. lundberg which uses its own water supply, hence less pollution in the rice itself
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