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Posted by sjb on February 23, 2004, at 10:08:11
I'm so despondent. My depression and binge eating get worse every winter so I finally decided to try light box therapy. I got a SunBox from Apollo and have used it religously for the past month, 30 minutes each morning, sitting close, right in front of it as recommended. Nothing. My weight's the highest it's been for many years. I have no energy, just want to eat and sleep all the time. My excercise routine just gets harder and harder and I become more depressed afterwards 'cause it's just so hard. I cry all the time and am leaving work today. Don't even want to bother going back to PDoc or therapist, though I promised husband I would. What's the use. I have tried over 25 different meds and have had therapy up the ying yang. I just wish I'd die already. This isn't a life and I'm a sorry excuse for a human being. I take up space, more of it, is about it.
Posted by recumbent on February 23, 2004, at 11:58:26
In reply to Light Box Therapy - anyone want one cheap???, posted by sjb on February 23, 2004, at 10:08:11
SJB,
What part of the country (State) are you in? I'm in Michigan, and I can tell you that the long winter is no fun. Also, if you don't mind, do you have the opportunity to meet new people? Meeting new people can sometimes allow you to evaluate your feelings differently. I'm sure you're wary of advice, but when the meds are failing I crumble an orange peal and breath in. When I'm discouraged I watch the clouds blow overhead and understand that I have no control. I hope you feel better.> I'm so despondent. My depression and binge eating get worse every winter so I finally decided to try light box therapy. I got a SunBox from Apollo and have used it religously for the past month, 30 minutes each morning, sitting close, right in front of it as recommended. Nothing. My weight's the highest it's been for many years. I have no energy, just want to eat and sleep all the time. My excercise routine just gets harder and harder and I become more depressed afterwards 'cause it's just so hard. I cry all the time and am leaving work today. Don't even want to bother going back to PDoc or therapist, though I promised husband I would. What's the use. I have tried over 25 different meds and have had therapy up the ying yang. I just wish I'd die already. This isn't a life and I'm a sorry excuse for a human being. I take up space, more of it, is about it.
Posted by Simus on February 24, 2004, at 2:13:38
In reply to Light Box Therapy - anyone want one cheap???, posted by sjb on February 23, 2004, at 10:08:11
You are not alone. Please don't give up. Don't stop trying to get help for yourself. Someday, you will be in a better place, and someone is going to be where you are at now and only you will be able to reach them because you know what it is like yourself.
> I'm so despondent. My depression and binge eating get worse every winter so I finally decided to try light box therapy. I got a SunBox from Apollo and have used it religously for the past month, 30 minutes each morning, sitting close, right in front of it as recommended. Nothing. My weight's the highest it's been for many years. I have no energy, just want to eat and sleep all the time. My excercise routine just gets harder and harder and I become more depressed afterwards 'cause it's just so hard. I cry all the time and am leaving work today. Don't even want to bother going back to PDoc or therapist, though I promised husband I would. What's the use. I have tried over 25 different meds and have had therapy up the ying yang. I just wish I'd die already. This isn't a life and I'm a sorry excuse for a human being. I take up space, more of it, is about it.
Posted by sjb on February 24, 2004, at 14:20:29
In reply to Re: Light Box Therapy - anyone want one cheap??? » sjb, posted by Simus on February 24, 2004, at 2:13:38
Thanks. Sometimes there is a kernel of thought that maybe I can help others in similar situations someday.
Posted by sjb on February 24, 2004, at 14:24:37
In reply to Re: Light Box Therapy - anyone want one cheap???, posted by recumbent on February 23, 2004, at 11:58:26
Thank you for the kind words and advice. I will try the orange peel (hopefully I won't eat it, oh wait, an orange is a healthy food, no danger in my eating it then!) I'll watch the clouds and try to reach out, as I know my tendencies to isolate do not help.
I leave in the Northeast area, in Bucks Co. PA.
Posted by Wolf Dreamer on February 25, 2004, at 19:09:28
In reply to Re: Light Box Therapy - anyone want one cheap???, posted by sjb on February 24, 2004, at 14:24:37
Binge eating? Do you have sugar cravings and such?
Its candida I tell you! All sorts of problems are cured, from what I read, when people get rid of it.
I'm using Primal Defense right now, but its too early to see if there are any results, other than some farting. Some say just eat some coconut each day and that'll help you, while others take coconut oil, and a large number of other things.
Women with candida often get horrible yeast infections and other yucky female stuff I don't want to think about. I'm glad I'm a man, simply because our bodies are such lower maintainance, and we can pee standing up.
I got rid of my sugar cravings and binge junk food eating simply by giving up sugar for a significant amount of time, including orange juice, which has natural sugar, thats bad to. It feeds the candida, and causes problems.
Oh, have you tried vitamin B6, and other vitamin Bs? Get a mega complex with far more than just the 100% daily value nonsense. Candida depletes your brain of that.
Do you feel better after eating certain foods, having appeased the candida for the moment? It feeds off sugar and alcohol mostly, but also starch, almost all yeast, and other things.
Oh, tap water has chlorine in it, among other things, that along with antibiotics kill off the good bacteria that fights the evil candida and keeps it from getting out of hand.
Hope that helps.
Posted by bookgurl99 on March 8, 2004, at 20:54:53
In reply to Re: Light Box Therapy - anyone want one cheap???, posted by Wolf Dreamer on February 25, 2004, at 19:09:28
> I got rid of my sugar cravings and binge junk food eating simply by giving up sugar for a significant amount of time, including orange juice, which has natural sugar, thats bad to. It feeds the candida, and causes problems.
>
>Hey WolfDreamer --
I find that you gave up sugar for a time interesting, especially as I find that I occasionally want to binge eat -- I mean, I don't _want_ to, but my cravings become intense.
Besides the supplement, what was your method? What kind of foods did you eat?
books
Posted by Simus on March 8, 2004, at 21:30:54
In reply to Re: candida » Wolf Dreamer, posted by bookgurl99 on March 8, 2004, at 20:54:53
Chromium is great for eliminating sugar cravings.
Posted by Wolf Dreamer on March 8, 2004, at 23:26:18
In reply to Re: candida » Wolf Dreamer, posted by bookgurl99 on March 8, 2004, at 20:54:53
I live mostly off of masquete chicken, tostitos, boiled egg whites, and distilled water. From time to time something else is thrown in though. For some time I was eating brown rice as well.
I stopped taking most supplements a while ago, and then gave up my vitamins even, thinking I've been on the mega dose of vitamin B and E etc for long enough. I did have days where I felt great. Then, probably because of something I ate, I had anxiety yesterday and today. I'm thinking its the cranberry juice, which I knew I shouldn't drink, but my mom went shopping and got the wrong kind and I didn't want it to go to waste. It was juice drink, meaning only 27% cranberry juice, and had things in it which might be bad for candida. Also, its pasterized, which means all the helpful enzymes the body needs to properly digest it, have been killed off. Also I eat oranges and bannannas. That might be a mistake. Hard to tell what it is exactly, since it sometimes doesn't kick in until the next day.
I space food out throughout the day, and make sure I'm well fed, eating even when I'm not that hungry, if convieyant and I remember, because that does help, and I feel rather tired from lack of daily calorie intact also.
I only take Saw Palmetto and garlic twice a day now, and nothing else. Saw palmetto works well for inflated prostate, which is what surely made me wake up all night urinating, because I had no trouble getting it all out after I started taking it. Its one of the most widely used supplements around for that reason. I also take garlic extract I got at Sam's Wholesale Club, because it is said to kill candida, and I already had some from when I tried it a year ago. It didn't work then since I was still a sugar junky. I took Primal Defense for a few weeks, but didn't see much differance in that.
Some say just eat some coconuts and you'll make improvement. Anyway, I'm going to give up oranges, and stop drinking the juice for a time, and see if my anxiety goes away. It is far better than it was when I was having sugar cravings.
Oh, and taking naps and ignoring any possible schedule helps also. I've had some great anxiety free days recently, which are rather rare for me. I read about how someone else was having a problem with their B vitamin supplement, and gave up mine. I don't know... give up sugar and starch, and then fly on my own... not sure what works and what doesn't, and I have tried just about everything.
Posted by spoc on March 31, 2004, at 3:35:06
In reply to Re: Light Box Therapy - anyone want one cheap???, posted by sjb on February 24, 2004, at 14:24:37
Sjb, it's late so I'm unusually brief here, but wanted to ask if Apollo still has the 60 day return policy. Maybe you're already beyond 60 days or maybe you didn't mean your title seriously...But otherwise, get the thing in the mail and save that considerable chunk of change! Apollo may even be flexible -- I tried one of their lightboxes too and it didn't work for me. But their customer service was great. Good luck to you with all of this and feel better!
Posted by Magee on April 4, 2004, at 1:48:48
In reply to Re: Light Box Therapy - anyone want one cheap??? » sjb, posted by spoc on March 31, 2004, at 3:35:06
Hey, do you still want to unload your light box?
I need one but can't afford a new one.
Let me know. I'm on the East Coast.
Thanks
Magee
Sjb, it's late so I'm unusually brief here, but wanted to ask if Apollo still has the 60 day return policy. Maybe you're already beyond 60 days or maybe you didn't mean your title seriously...But otherwise, get the thing in the mail and save that considerable chunk of change! Apollo may even be flexible -- I tried one of their lightboxes too and it didn't work for me. But their customer service was great. Good luck to you with all of this and feel better!
Posted by spoc on April 4, 2004, at 8:48:03
In reply to Re: Light Box Therapy - anyone want one cheap???, posted by sjb on February 24, 2004, at 14:24:37
>Hey, do you still want to unload your light box?
I need one but can't afford a new one.
Let me know. I'm on the East Coast.
>Thanks
>Magee
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Sjb, I think this message was for you....Maggie, hi! I am the one who mentioned having returned mine within the 60 day free trial period. I don't know if Sjb is watching this thread anymore! Anyway, I know they are expensive and given all the rip-offs possible in this industry (inadequate lumen or distance ranges, etc.), unfortunately it could be risky to bargain hunt. At least if you do get the money together, Apollo is probably still giving the 60 day trial. Not that they are the only acceptable brand, but may have one of the longest trial periods. So -- maybe if you can see that it really does work for you, the expense will be easier to swallow? It'll still be cheaper than therapy or psy meds! : )
Of course for SAD this will not be the ideal time of year to be assessing its effectiveness. But some do feel it helps with year-round depression too.
I bet you could find one on ebay for sure!!! Just know the model you want and don't settle! I had the same one Sbj had, and arrived at that after a ton of research. (Everyone's different so the fact that it wasn't effective for us isn't relevant.)
You know, if its use is prescribed by a doctor in reference to *sleep regulation,* I hear some insurance companies will cover it. That was why I was originally told at a reputable sleep disorders center to get one. But my own insurance company classified it as "experimental" at that time and wouldn't cover it.
Anyway, good luck!
Posted by Magee on April 4, 2004, at 13:03:15
In reply to Re: Light Box - want one cheap? To Maggie and » sjb, posted by spoc on April 4, 2004, at 8:48:03
> Thanks. Can you tell me the name of the brand and model you like? (I know you said Apollo) I could benefit I'm sure from your research. I am a LIGHT RESPONDER BIG TIME. Which is why I need to move back to California immediately. I know this last slump of depression was caused by lack of sun in New England. I was out there for the winter, and with my daily sunbaths I was feeling great. New England sucks! At least this time of year, for ME.
Thanks
MAGEE>Hey, do you still want to unload your light box?
> I need one but can't afford a new one.
> Let me know. I'm on the East Coast.
> >Thanks
> >Magee
> ------------
> Sjb, I think this message was for you....
>
> Maggie, hi! I am the one who mentioned having returned mine within the 60 day free trial period. I don't know if Sjb is watching this thread anymore! Anyway, I know they are expensive and given all the rip-offs possible in this industry (inadequate lumen or distance ranges, etc.), unfortunately it could be risky to bargain hunt. At least if you do get the money together, Apollo is probably still giving the 60 day trial. Not that they are the only acceptable brand, but may have one of the longest trial periods. So -- maybe if you can see that it really does work for you, the expense will be easier to swallow? It'll still be cheaper than therapy or psy meds! : )
>
> Of course for SAD this will not be the ideal time of year to be assessing its effectiveness. But some do feel it helps with year-round depression too.
>
> I bet you could find one on ebay for sure!!! Just know the model you want and don't settle! I had the same one Sbj had, and arrived at that after a ton of research. (Everyone's different so the fact that it wasn't effective for us isn't relevant.)
>
> You know, if its use is prescribed by a doctor in reference to *sleep regulation,* I hear some insurance companies will cover it. That was why I was originally told at a reputable sleep disorders center to get one. But my own insurance company classified it as "experimental" at that time and wouldn't cover it.
>
> Anyway, good luck!
Posted by spoc on April 4, 2004, at 13:58:51
In reply to Re: Light Box - want one cheap? To Maggie and » spoc, posted by Magee on April 4, 2004, at 13:03:15
> > Thanks. Can you tell me the name of the brand and model you like? (I know you said Apollo) I could benefit I'm sure from your research. I am a LIGHT RESPONDER BIG TIME. Which is why I need to move back to California immediately. I know this last slump of depression was caused by lack of sun in New England. I was out there for the winter, and with my daily sunbaths I was feeling great. New England sucks! At least this time of year, for ME.
> Thanks
> MAGEE
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I just went to the site (apollolight.com) to be sure if I was remembering the model correctly, and I was -- it was the Bright Light III. The only real difference between it and their other full-size models is that it is aluminum rather than two-ton oak or something, and therefore less expensive.I wanted to mention some things but didn't get as far as I wanted because there seems to be some trouble at the site at the moment. I couldn't click more than a couple links without it totally freezing up, whereas I'm not having trouble at any other site right now. But anyway, wow, they've totally reworked it since over a year ago when I was perusing it. Here's something I noticed -- right now they are offering a special on something new called the Golight, that is tiny but is supposed to provide the correct light even at a distant sitting position (important -- you don't want to have to be six inches from the thing while using it, as is the case with other small ones). It is only $199, whereas the Brite Lite III and others are $279 and up.
So why would anyone want a full-size one?? To tell you the truth this makes me nervous, but that's just how I am. I had documented (in my mind) Apollo to be one of -- if not the -- most reputable at the time I was in the market. And they were involved in the original research and testing. But size and potential sitting distance have been such huge obstacles in the industry that if this little one really can do the same job, it would be positively revolutionary.
Previously it was a matter not only of getting a small unit to be powerful enough that you didn't have to sit in front of it 2 or more times as long; and also that the light field had to encompass a lot of you. So I don't know how they overcame these things. There are so many traps you can fall into in this market -- people are undoubtedly buying inexpensive and/or convenient-looking lamps or boxes all the time and never realizing they won't be able to get the proper treatment from them. I have no reason to suspect Apollo, but if I were you I'd do one of two things first: if you're a good Internet researcher, do some searches on how this new size development came to be. Apollo may list the research on their own site in that area, but make sure it's unbiased. And/or, call and grill them on how this was possible, and ask for an explanation beyond use of the word "bandwidth," as appears on the site under the description of the Golight. You might not understand a word they are saying, but you can see if they have something quick and scientific-sounding to answer with.
I had also wanted to check whether they still offer the 60 day trial period, and it wasn't immediately apparent where that answer would be -- I was going to look under "Terms of use" at the bottom, but the site kept freezing up. (But I believe I read somewhere else that if a lightbox is going to work for you, you'll know within days, so a shorter trial may actually be fine.) Also, note that they have a running monthly drawing to give away a unit of some kind that you can sign up for.
Hope some of this helps! At the price of $199 -- if the Golight does end up sounding legit -- if I were you I'd buy one new through Apollo rather than ebay or something, so you have the option to evaluate and return it. : )
Posted by Magee on April 4, 2004, at 14:27:55
In reply to Re: Light Box - recommendation » Magee, posted by spoc on April 4, 2004, at 13:58:51
> > >Dear Spoc,
Thank you so much for all your effort and good suggestions. I am going to look into it. There is a guy where I live who has one for sale. I wonder if he might consider allowing me to try it out for a few days. A smaller one (his is 2 ft long (and that seems BIG to me!) would be more convenient for me. if I could get the same results out of a smaller one (GOLIGHT) I'd chose that over BIG. Anyway, I really really appreciate the support.
Thanks
MageeThanks. Can you tell me the name of the brand and model you like? (I know you said Apollo) I could benefit I'm sure from your research. I am a LIGHT RESPONDER BIG TIME. Which is why I need to move back to California immediately. I know this last slump of depression was caused by lack of sun in New England. I was out there for the winter, and with my daily sunbaths I was feeling great. New England sucks! At least this time of year, for ME.
> > Thanks
> > MAGEE
> ------------
> I just went to the site (apollolight.com) to be sure if I was remembering the model correctly, and I was -- it was the Bright Light III. The only real difference between it and their other full-size models is that it is aluminum rather than two-ton oak or something, and therefore less expensive.
>
> I wanted to mention some things but didn't get as far as I wanted because there seems to be some trouble at the site at the moment. I couldn't click more than a couple links without it totally freezing up, whereas I'm not having trouble at any other site right now. But anyway, wow, they've totally reworked it since over a year ago when I was perusing it. Here's something I noticed -- right now they are offering a special on something new called the Golight, that is tiny but is supposed to provide the correct light even at a distant sitting position (important -- you don't want to have to be six inches from the thing while using it, as is the case with other small ones). It is only $199, whereas the Brite Lite III and others are $279 and up.
>
> So why would anyone want a full-size one?? To tell you the truth this makes me nervous, but that's just how I am. I had documented (in my mind) Apollo to be one of -- if not the -- most reputable at the time I was in the market. And they were involved in the original research and testing. But size and potential sitting distance have been such huge obstacles in the industry that if this little one really can do the same job, it would be positively revolutionary.
>
> Previously it was a matter not only of getting a small unit to be powerful enough that you didn't have to sit in front of it 2 or more times as long; and also that the light field had to encompass a lot of you. So I don't know how they overcame these things. There are so many traps you can fall into in this market -- people are undoubtedly buying inexpensive and/or convenient-looking lamps or boxes all the time and never realizing they won't be able to get the proper treatment from them. I have no reason to suspect Apollo, but if I were you I'd do one of two things first: if you're a good Internet researcher, do some searches on how this new size development came to be. Apollo may list the research on their own site in that area, but make sure it's unbiased. And/or, call and grill them on how this was possible, and ask for an explanation beyond use of the word "bandwidth," as appears on the site under the description of the Golight. You might not understand a word they are saying, but you can see if they have something quick and scientific-sounding to answer with.
>
> I had also wanted to check whether they still offer the 60 day trial period, and it wasn't immediately apparent where that answer would be -- I was going to look under "Terms of use" at the bottom, but the site kept freezing up. (But I believe I read somewhere else that if a lightbox is going to work for you, you'll know within days, so a shorter trial may actually be fine.) Also, note that they have a running monthly drawing to give away a unit of some kind that you can sign up for.
>
> Hope some of this helps! At the price of $199 -- if the Golight does end up sounding legit -- if I were you I'd buy one new through Apollo rather than ebay or something, so you have the option to evaluate and return it. : )
Posted by spoc on April 4, 2004, at 15:09:12
In reply to Re: Light Box - recommendation » spoc, posted by Magee on April 4, 2004, at 14:27:55
Posted by sjb on April 5, 2004, at 13:47:26
In reply to Re: Don't mention it! Let me know how it goes! : ) (nm) » Magee, posted by spoc on April 4, 2004, at 15:09:12
Thanks, all. I had stopped looking here for a while 'cause I wasn't getting much of a response. Although I'm grateful to WolfDreamer for suggesting Candida as my problem, I don't think it is. In fact, I am highly skeptical of that dx, but I could be entirely wrong (not the first time.) It just seems to me that everyone would have this condition and besides, I wouldn't have the will power to stay on such a restrictive diet.
As for the lightbox, I was not entirely serious, just very frustrated. I've tried so many things for such a long period, I was REALLY hoping this would work. I've decided to keep it and will try again, esp. early next fall. I may try twice a day (as opposed to just 30 minutes every morning which I did RELIGIOUSLY for 4 weeks to NO avail.)
I forget what model I have but I know it cost $249. BTW- my insurance did pick up $200 of it! (It took a while. I submitted a claim back in Jan. and just received a check last week. I had to call a couple of times, needed a Dr's note, etc, etc but they came through.)
Thanks to all for responding.
Posted by spoc on April 5, 2004, at 14:14:26
In reply to Re: Don't mention it! Let me know how it goes! : ), posted by sjb on April 5, 2004, at 13:47:26
> Thanks, all. I had stopped looking here for a while 'cause I wasn't getting much of a response. Although I'm grateful to WolfDreamer for suggesting Candida as my problem, I don't think it is. In fact, I am highly skeptical of that dx, but I could be entirely wrong (not the first time.) It just seems to me that everyone would have this condition and besides, I wouldn't have the will power to stay on such a restrictive diet.>
> As for the lightbox, I was not entirely serious, just very frustrated. I've tried so many things for such a long period, I was REALLY hoping this would work....
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I hear ya sister! (?)I am more the Western than Eastern medicine type, but may embark down the candidiasis-investigation road soon. NOT looking forward to it. But in my case I do see some things that make me believe not just anyone would have it -- like decades of indiscriminate antibiotic use ("ooooh, I'm getting a zit!!!") and subsisting almost entirely on sugar and refined carbs.....
It may be a while -- even a long while -- but I'll post back here or start a new thread if I do look into factors surrounding the legitimacy of the candidiasis thing. I still have a wealth of data here I will first read through by doing Babble/Google searches so I don't reinvent the wheel.
I've heard it said that only someone hospitalized and with an extremely weak immune system could have a bad (or at least detectable) fungal problem. BUT!!! Someone on this board made a comment in reference to that or something similar that made sense to me: there HAS to be a gray area in between having normal "flora (fauna??)" and having it be so overgrown that you could die of it.
Oh, and Maggie, I wanted to mention that in his Links page Dr. Bob has a link to northernlighttechnologies.com, another light box brand, so that must be a company he has no objection to.... Recall the name but not why I didn't go with it myself...
Ok, good luck to us all! : )
Posted by Magee on April 5, 2004, at 18:23:11
In reply to Re: Unpaved, bumpy roads.... Maggie and » sjb, posted by spoc on April 5, 2004, at 14:14:26
Hi sjb,
CANDIDA is REAL! TRUST me! I've had it and probably still do. You might want to check out George Eby's website. He's done extensive research on it and has good cutting edge information on many topics. He's a genius!
It's:
www.coldcure.com I think. Then download Candia. Also has some radical treatments for depression/manic depression.
Sister Magee (Jeeez! I sound like a nun!)
Posted by spoc on April 5, 2004, at 19:19:51
In reply to Re: Unpaved, bumpy roads.... Maggie and » sjb, posted by spoc on April 5, 2004, at 14:14:26
Magee (sorry I keep getting that wrong!), thanks for the website, I will definitely check it out! Please let me know if you or anyone you know has tried the principles, or any of those products like Three Lac. : )
Sjb:
> I wouldn't have the will power to stay on such a restrictive diet
Oh, me neither. I could do a lot better with any change at all, but in addition to that I hope that some of the "probiotic" mixtures that are sold have some validity. Another thing to keep in mind about the existence of candida afflictions is that, like even a doc said to me, it was only discovered pretty recently that a bug (virus, bacteria, whatever) causes ulcers. That was snickered at previously too. He was acknowledging that surely many low-level chronic infections exist, as yet unexamined. I think I read that the main reason they haven't been examined has to do with parties fearing not much of a profit could be made at this stage in the game (strong prescription anti-fungals already exist of course, but are used cautiously due to liver risks).
I think that's often the case when a treatment already falls in the supplement/health food store domains...? I was in an NIH study on melatonin for sleep years ago, and that's what they told me about why money hadn't been poured into that sooner. Too late to make it a prescription item if it was proven effective, so no drug company wanted to pay for the research. : (
Posted by sjb on April 6, 2004, at 9:31:54
In reply to Re: Unpaved, bumpy roads, posted by spoc on April 5, 2004, at 19:19:51
Thanks for the info candida. I'll look up the site.
As for the lightboxes, both Apollo and NorthernLight are reputable brands, I think SunBox is another good one. I only decided on Apollo 'cause they had the size I wanted and blue light technology.
Posted by noa on April 6, 2004, at 12:58:15
In reply to Re: Unpaved, bumpy roads, posted by sjb on April 6, 2004, at 9:31:54
What is blue light technology? What are its benefits? Thanks.
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