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Posted by taylor18 on September 19, 2004, at 1:44:10
1. Krill Oil
2. (Pharmaceutical-Grade) Fish Oil
3. Seal Oil--------------------
QUESTIONS:
1. Which is best overall, and why? What makes it best?
2. Do different oils impart different effects?
3. Does one oil promote a typical effect more prominently?
4. Should different oils be taken by different people?
5. Should they be rotated every day or combined in the same day?
6. Is it necessary to be taking at least a small amount of at least one of the oils each day just because it's essential? As opposed to taking larger-than-average dosages to strongly benefit brain chemistry.
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WHY I'M INTERESTED:
I've experimented with fish oil and krill oil in the past, and I've recently heard about seal oil (from a post on this board). I'm trying to pick an oil that I feel will benefit my mental health best, overall. I can only afford one.
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MY PAST EXPERIENCE:
~kRiLl OiL
1. Make it harder to go to sleep
2. Make me more laughy and goofy
3. Increase physical beauty dramatically (skin, eyes, hair)
4. Impart clarity and inhibition to produce clearer writing
5. Make my thoughts of a higher nature and intelligence~fIsH oIls
1. Increase motivation to work
2. Improve connectivity of ideas
3. Make me more outgoing
4. More capable in the day to day world
Posted by Larry Hoover on September 19, 2004, at 9:25:06
In reply to Let's go through the Big 3, posted by taylor18 on September 19, 2004, at 1:44:10
> 1. Krill Oil
> 2. (Pharmaceutical-Grade) Fish Oil
> 3. Seal Oil
>
> --------------------
>
> QUESTIONS:
>
> 1. Which is best overall, and why? What makes it best?That's really hard to say, but if I had to pick one, I'd go with krill oil. It has phosphatides that are not in fish oil, and also has a substantial natural antioxidant level. Fish oil requires antioxidant supps. I don't know enough about seal oil to really comment. I'm not exactly sure what's in it.
> 2. Do different oils impart different effects?
Probably. That's a pretty hard question to answer.
> 3. Does one oil promote a typical effect more prominently?They should have substantial overlap in effects. The literature isn't clear on differences.
> 4. Should different oils be taken by different people?Hard to say.
> 5. Should they be rotated every day or combined in the same day?Actually, a combination of krill oil and fish oil makes a lot of sense, IMHO.
> 6. Is it necessary to be taking at least a small amount of at least one of the oils each day just because it's essential? As opposed to taking larger-than-average dosages to strongly benefit brain chemistry.The long-chain omega-3s are essential, IMHO. You don't need them every single day.....you need a cumulative intake that is satisfactory. Consider a two-week period, and determine the average intake per day. That's how you should look at it, in the context of substances/nutrients that are stored. In contrast, water solubles like B-vitamins and vitamin C are indeed best taken daily.
If you're chronically depleted in omega-3s, you need to take more than your body needs in the long term, because you're not only supplying the day-to-day requirement, you're changing the basic chemistry of the brain as it does routine maintenance on e.g. membrane phospholipids. It takes months of supplementation to create a stable brain chemistry, i.e. that state where the relative proportion of the PUFAs in membrane phospholipids is constant. At that point, I suppose, the essential intake level is at a minimum, but what that level actually is is anybody's guess. I'd suppose that minimum is around 1 gram/day of long chain omega-3s, but that is a statistical value. Your needs may be more than that, or less than that.
> --------------------
>
> WHY I'M INTERESTED:
>
> I've experimented with fish oil and krill oil in the past, and I've recently heard about seal oil (from a post on this board). I'm trying to pick an oil that I feel will benefit my mental health best, overall. I can only afford one.Seals are a high-level carnivore. If there are going to be sources of essential oils that are also most likely to be contaminated with substances that biomagnify (like PCBs, dioxins, pesticides, and so on), then marine mammal oils are going to be on the list.
I just don't know enough about how they're processed to make an informed statement.
> --------------------
>
> MY PAST EXPERIENCE:
>
> ~kRiLl OiL
>
> 1. Make it harder to go to sleep
> 2. Make me more laughy and goofy
> 3. Increase physical beauty dramatically (skin, eyes, hair)
> 4. Impart clarity and inhibition to produce clearer writing
> 5. Make my thoughts of a higher nature and intelligenceThat sounds pretty cool, overall.
> ~fIsH oIls
>
> 1. Increase motivation to work
> 2. Improve connectivity of ideas
> 3. Make me more outgoing
> 4. More capable in the day to day worldSo does that.
Which did you prefer?
Lar
Posted by taylor18 on September 19, 2004, at 12:01:56
In reply to Re: Let's go through the Big 3 » taylor18, posted by Larry Hoover on September 19, 2004, at 9:25:06
It's hard to say which I prefer. Maybe it ultimately comes down to what people think are most important, e.g., intelligence, beauty, sociability, happiness, motivation.
If I go with the fish oil, I have to whittle it down even further. In my personal experience, there seems to be substantial differences in between the following:
1. OmegaBrite
2. Nature's Pharmaceuticals
3. Eskimo-3
4. Norweigan Salmon oil--------------------
~OmegaBrite1. Too stimulating
2. Lifted mood dramatically
3. Forced to discontinue b/c of hypomania###END###
~Nature's PharmaceuticalsThis was the first brand I ever tried. I took approximately 3 grams per day in conjunction with (a) restricted diet (animal protein, fruits, vegetables, greens) (b) lots of water, and a (c) vegetable/ fruit/ green smoothie containing at least 8 foods*
*All the foods were ordered from Diamond Organics b/c of the high phytonutrient content (all vine-ripened and picked the same day you order) and organic (high vitamin and mineral content)
Over that week I experienced the largest biochemical transformation that I've ever experienced. Unfortunately I stopped when I started getting detox reactions from the strict diet and daily smoothie.
I experienced the following:
1. Focus
2. Rational thought as opposed to paranoid thought
3. Positive outlook
4. Body energy
5. Enhanced sense of well-being
6. Feeling more in the world, in society, in fashion even
7. Greater motivation
8. Able to stop and consider the details instead of just discounting them, because there's not enough time or they're too trivial as compared to the "big picture"Number 8 is very important, and combined with number 2 and 3, you begin to feel like you're thinking like a normal person.
###END###
~Eskimo-31. Focus, delayed onset. You have to take it for a few days, but then it hits you. Very capable, clear, with an almost laser-beam focus.
###END###
~Norweigan Salmon OilYou get what you pay for, $7.90 ... j/k
1. It seems to make the environment more vivid, surreal, and turn my thinking in that direction. 2. Fosters unusual combinations of ideas.
3. More creative and faster without an increase in intelligence.I don't "feel" it's very healthy for me.
###END###
--------------------So I have a basic dilema. I believe it's a choice between Nature's Pharmaceuticals Fish Oil and Krill Oil.
I want to re-start the regimen I had going with the (a) restricted diet (b) water (c) smoothie (d) oils. But I'm afraid if I use foods from Whole Foods in my smoothie along with Krill Oil for my oil, then I'm not really on the same regimen I was before.
There's the old axiom, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
I'm basically not sure if Whole Foods would be adequate, as compared to Diamond Organics, and if Krill Oil would be better.
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P.S. Zone Labs produces the OmegaRx* brand:
https://www.zonelabsinc.com/*Nature's Pharmaceuticals is a distributor of OmegaRx
Posted by karaS on September 19, 2004, at 14:49:44
In reply to Re: Let's go through the Big 3, posted by taylor18 on September 19, 2004, at 12:01:56
Excuse me for barging in here but I'm fascinated that you're able to discern so much difference between all of these similar products. Would you mind telling me how long you would try each of them in order to make these distinctions in effects (especially since the full effects of EFAs may not be known until 8 full months of trial)?
Also, I'd be curious to know your opinion on RxOmega-3 Factors by Natural Factors (Dr. Michael Murray recommended) since it is what I am taking now. Have you ever tried it or considered it? If not, why not?
Thanks,
Kara
Posted by taylor18 on September 19, 2004, at 23:57:38
In reply to Re: Let's go through the Big 3 » taylor18, posted by karaS on September 19, 2004, at 14:49:44
Yeah, it stems from a pathological self-awareness caused by mild asperger's syndrom caused by who knows what ... j/k.
Posted by SLS on September 20, 2004, at 10:37:24
In reply to Let's go through the Big 3, posted by taylor18 on September 19, 2004, at 1:44:10
What is the source of seal oil?
- Scott
Posted by taylor18 on September 20, 2004, at 12:31:54
In reply to Re: Let's go through the Big 3, posted by SLS on September 20, 2004, at 10:37:24
Usually from seals, but usually not willingly ... j/k.
I think it's www.omegagold.com
Posted by joebob on September 20, 2004, at 20:31:06
In reply to Let's go through the Big 3, posted by taylor18 on September 19, 2004, at 1:44:10
and did you ever try high epa fish oil where the ratio of epa/dha is =/> than 3 to 1?
thanks
Posted by jujube on September 27, 2004, at 14:39:28
In reply to Re: Let's go through the Big 3 » taylor18, posted by Larry Hoover on September 19, 2004, at 9:25:06
Do Krill Oil and/or Fish Oil help with anxiety? How much would one have to take something like 1000 mg three times a day? Could Krill or Fish oil be taken at the same as an AD and Picamilon?
Anything you could tell me would be great.
Thanks so much.
Tamara
> > 1. Krill Oil
> > 2. (Pharmaceutical-Grade) Fish Oil
> > 3. Seal Oil
> >
> > --------------------
> >
> > QUESTIONS:
> >
> > 1. Which is best overall, and why? What makes it best?
>
> That's really hard to say, but if I had to pick one, I'd go with krill oil. It has phosphatides that are not in fish oil, and also has a substantial natural antioxidant level. Fish oil requires antioxidant supps. I don't know enough about seal oil to really comment. I'm not exactly sure what's in it.
>
> > 2. Do different oils impart different effects?
>
> Probably. That's a pretty hard question to answer.
>
> > 3. Does one oil promote a typical effect more prominently?
>
> They should have substantial overlap in effects. The literature isn't clear on differences.
>
> > 4. Should different oils be taken by different people?
>
> Hard to say.
>
> > 5. Should they be rotated every day or combined in the same day?
>
> Actually, a combination of krill oil and fish oil makes a lot of sense, IMHO.
>
> > 6. Is it necessary to be taking at least a small amount of at least one of the oils each day just because it's essential? As opposed to taking larger-than-average dosages to strongly benefit brain chemistry.
>
> The long-chain omega-3s are essential, IMHO. You don't need them every single day.....you need a cumulative intake that is satisfactory. Consider a two-week period, and determine the average intake per day. That's how you should look at it, in the context of substances/nutrients that are stored. In contrast, water solubles like B-vitamins and vitamin C are indeed best taken daily.
>
> If you're chronically depleted in omega-3s, you need to take more than your body needs in the long term, because you're not only supplying the day-to-day requirement, you're changing the basic chemistry of the brain as it does routine maintenance on e.g. membrane phospholipids. It takes months of supplementation to create a stable brain chemistry, i.e. that state where the relative proportion of the PUFAs in membrane phospholipids is constant. At that point, I suppose, the essential intake level is at a minimum, but what that level actually is is anybody's guess. I'd suppose that minimum is around 1 gram/day of long chain omega-3s, but that is a statistical value. Your needs may be more than that, or less than that.
>
> > --------------------
> >
> > WHY I'M INTERESTED:
> >
> > I've experimented with fish oil and krill oil in the past, and I've recently heard about seal oil (from a post on this board). I'm trying to pick an oil that I feel will benefit my mental health best, overall. I can only afford one.
>
> Seals are a high-level carnivore. If there are going to be sources of essential oils that are also most likely to be contaminated with substances that biomagnify (like PCBs, dioxins, pesticides, and so on), then marine mammal oils are going to be on the list.
>
> I just don't know enough about how they're processed to make an informed statement.
>
> > --------------------
> >
> > MY PAST EXPERIENCE:
> >
> > ~kRiLl OiL
> >
> > 1. Make it harder to go to sleep
> > 2. Make me more laughy and goofy
> > 3. Increase physical beauty dramatically (skin, eyes, hair)
> > 4. Impart clarity and inhibition to produce clearer writing
> > 5. Make my thoughts of a higher nature and intelligence
>
> That sounds pretty cool, overall.
>
> > ~fIsH oIls
> >
> > 1. Increase motivation to work
> > 2. Improve connectivity of ideas
> > 3. Make me more outgoing
> > 4. More capable in the day to day world
>
> So does that.
>
> Which did you prefer?
>
> Lar
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