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Posted by saw on October 13, 2004, at 4:15:56
This is an interesting site that features amino acid nutrition therapy and various other holistic approaches, particularly in the area of addictive behaviours.
Sabrina
http://www.addictionrecoveryguide.org/holistic/index.html
Posted by jujube on October 13, 2004, at 8:09:32
In reply to Amino Acid Nutrition Therapy, posted by saw on October 13, 2004, at 4:15:56
There is also a book called "The Diet Cure" which deals with rebalancing body chemistry and thereby ending cravings, weight problems and mood swings. The author of the book, Julia Ross, was once the director of an alcohol treatment centre in San Francisco who eventually began using specific amino acids to eliminate alcoholic clients' cravings. She came across this type of therapy from Dr. Joan Mathews Larson, the director of a nutritionally oriented alcoholism treatment centre. Larson authored "Seven Weeks to Sobriety" which introduced the technique of using aminos to eliminate cravings. I found the "Diet Cure" interesting. Of course, I am in the early stages of exploring nutritional therapy, but it was a start and got me interested in a more natural approach.
Tamara
> This is an interesting site that features amino acid nutrition therapy and various other holistic approaches, particularly in the area of addictive behaviours.
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> Sabrina
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> http://www.addictionrecoveryguide.org/holistic/index.html
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Posted by JLx on October 13, 2004, at 23:39:48
In reply to Re: Amino Acid Nutrition Therapy » saw, posted by jujube on October 13, 2004, at 8:09:32
Joan Mathews Larson also wrote "Depression Free Naturally". She has a lot of good info in that book including checklists for various types of depression causes (low thyroid, high histamine, low blood sugar, etc) and regimens she uses in her treatment center. http://www.healthrecovery.com/
JL
> There is also a book called "The Diet Cure" which deals with rebalancing body chemistry and thereby ending cravings, weight problems and mood swings. The author of the book, Julia Ross, was once the director of an alcohol treatment centre in San Francisco who eventually began using specific amino acids to eliminate alcoholic clients' cravings. She came across this type of therapy from Dr. Joan Mathews Larson, the director of a nutritionally oriented alcoholism treatment centre. Larson authored "Seven Weeks to Sobriety" which introduced the technique of using aminos to eliminate cravings. I found the "Diet Cure" interesting. Of course, I am in the early stages of exploring nutritional therapy, but it was a start and got me interested in a more natural approach.
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> Tamara
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> > This is an interesting site that features amino acid nutrition therapy and various other holistic approaches, particularly in the area of addictive behaviours.
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> > Sabrina
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> > http://www.addictionrecoveryguide.org/holistic/index.html
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Posted by tealady on October 14, 2004, at 1:44:56
In reply to Re: Amino Acid Nutrition Therapy » jujube, posted by JLx on October 13, 2004, at 23:39:48
Thanks guys,
That was a really interesting site.
I didn't know of the connection betwen thyroid meds and DHEA before either.
err pity I seem to fit too many categories, but some avenues to try.
It's great to have some treatments laid out.
Jan
Posted by JLx on October 14, 2004, at 13:38:54
In reply to Re: Amino Acid Nutrition Therapy » JLx, posted by tealady on October 14, 2004, at 1:44:56
I know amino acids are supposed to be taken on an empty stomach.
So how long before a meal can that be, or how long after?
Also which if any can be taken together? Tyrosine with taurine, for instance? Tyrosine with methionine?
Tyrosine is a dopamine booster, tryptophan boosts serotonin and when one goes up the other goes down, is my understanding, so if you take them together are you more likely in balance, or cancelling out the effects of each?
JL
Posted by jujube on October 14, 2004, at 13:54:28
In reply to Re: Aminos, when/how to take?, posted by JLx on October 14, 2004, at 13:38:54
Hi. I'm no expert, but from what I've read, aminos can be taken at the same time. Also, aminos should be taken twenty minutes before or 90 minutes after a meal in which you eat protein otherwise the protein in the food will compete with the amino and the amino may not get to the brain. Another thing, I think that L-Tyrosine also elevates or works on norepiphedrine as well as dopamine. It can be activating, so it is not a good idea to take it late in the day.
Tamara
> I know amino acids are supposed to be taken on an empty stomach.
>
> So how long before a meal can that be, or how long after?
>
> Also which if any can be taken together? Tyrosine with taurine, for instance? Tyrosine with methionine?
>
> Tyrosine is a dopamine booster, tryptophan boosts serotonin and when one goes up the other goes down, is my understanding, so if you take them together are you more likely in balance, or cancelling out the effects of each?
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>
> JL
Posted by mmb on October 15, 2004, at 17:41:18
In reply to Re: Aminos, when/how to take? » JLx, posted by jujube on October 14, 2004, at 13:54:28
Read this article:
http://www.asktheinternettherapist.com/counselingarchive_depression_neurotransmitters.asp
I have been taking amino acids for several months now (read my post about L-glutamine down), they certainly work.
Posted by jujube on October 15, 2004, at 17:55:37
In reply to Re: Aminos, when/how to take?, posted by mmb on October 15, 2004, at 17:41:18
Thanks so much. I found the article interesting. I am going to continue to experiment with aminos to find the dosages that work for me. I over did it with L-Tyrosine and L-Glutamine a couple of months ago. I think I didn't start slow enough and work my way up to my optimal dose. I became very agitated and shaky. And, I found when I was taking the L-Tyrosine, having a cigarette would increase my heart rate and nervousness and cause dizziness. Again, I think I was taking too much, too soon. Perhaps it had to do with the dopamine surge from both the cigs and the L-Tyrosine. I don't know. I am going to try again, but slower this time and, hopefully as a non-smoker. When I was doing some research on aminos on the net I came across a web page where Margo Kidder talks about her supplement regime for treating her manic depression. It seems she is having good results treating her manic depression naturally, with aminos and vitamins. Anyways, my doctor does not have a problem with my supplementing with aminos, including 5-HTP, while taking an AD. It's nice to know that there are natural alternatives out there besides herbs.
Tamara
> Read this article:
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> http://www.asktheinternettherapist.com/counselingarchive_depression_neurotransmitters.asp
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> I have been taking amino acids for several months now (read my post about L-glutamine down), they certainly work.
Posted by mmb on October 15, 2004, at 18:03:28
In reply to Re: Aminos, when/how to take? » mmb, posted by jujube on October 15, 2004, at 17:55:37
> Thanks so much. I found the article interesting. I am going to continue to experiment with aminos to find the dosages that work for me. I over did it with L-Tyrosine and L-Glutamine a couple of months ago. I think I didn't start slow enough and work my way up to my optimal dose. I became very agitated and shaky. And, I found when I was taking the L-Tyrosine, having a cigarette would increase my heart rate and nervousness and cause dizziness. Again, I think I was taking too much, too soon. Perhaps it had to do with the dopamine surge from both the cigs and the L-Tyrosine. I don't know. I am going to try again, but slower this time and, hopefully as a non-smoker. When I was doing some research on aminos on the net I came across a web page where Margo Kidder talks about her supplement regime for treating her manic depression. It seems she is having good results treating her manic depression naturally, with aminos and vitamins. Anyways, my doctor does not have a problem with my supplementing with aminos, including 5-HTP, while taking an AD. It's nice to know that there are natural alternatives out there besides herbs.
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> Tamara
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> > Read this article:
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> > http://www.asktheinternettherapist.com/counselingarchive_depression_neurotransmitters.asp
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> > I have been taking amino acids for several months now (read my post about L-glutamine down), they certainly work.
>
>I am not surprised she is having success with manic depression. I think that mental problems are related to disturbed balance of chemicals in the brain. Once you find out the real combination supplements are as good as pills if not better. Regarding article this is one of the few MDs that talks openly about limits of SSRIs and benefits of amino acids. It all makes sense, but why this methodology has not been implemented yet in medical practice widely... well I guess we all know the answer - mo**y.
Posted by jujube on October 15, 2004, at 18:24:02
In reply to Re: Aminos, when/how to take?, posted by mmb on October 15, 2004, at 18:03:28
> > Thanks so much. I found the article interesting. I am going to continue to experiment with aminos to find the dosages that work for me. I over did it with L-Tyrosine and L-Glutamine a couple of months ago. I think I didn't start slow enough and work my way up to my optimal dose. I became very agitated and shaky. And, I found when I was taking the L-Tyrosine, having a cigarette would increase my heart rate and nervousness and cause dizziness. Again, I think I was taking too much, too soon. Perhaps it had to do with the dopamine surge from both the cigs and the L-Tyrosine. I don't know. I am going to try again, but slower this time and, hopefully as a non-smoker. When I was doing some research on aminos on the net I came across a web page where Margo Kidder talks about her supplement regime for treating her manic depression. It seems she is having good results treating her manic depression naturally, with aminos and vitamins. Anyways, my doctor does not have a problem with my supplementing with aminos, including 5-HTP, while taking an AD. It's nice to know that there are natural alternatives out there besides herbs.
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> > Tamara
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> > > Read this article:
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> > > http://www.asktheinternettherapist.com/counselingarchive_depression_neurotransmitters.asp
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> > > I have been taking amino acids for several months now (read my post about L-glutamine down), they certainly work.
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> I am not surprised she is having success with manic depression. I think that mental problems are related to disturbed balance of chemicals in the brain. Once you find out the real combination supplements are as good as pills if not better. Regarding article this is one of the few MDs that talks openly about limits of SSRIs and benefits of amino acids. It all makes sense, but why this methodology has not been implemented yet in medical practice widely... well I guess we all know the answer - mo**y.MO**y and conditioning. We have allowed ourselves to be conditioned to believe that the only way to fix what ails us is with parmaceuticals. The doctors prescribe them and tell us that the meds (whether they be for depression, anxiety, high cholesteral, high blood pressure, etc.) are what will fix us. They tell us as they write the script that we should try to eat better and exercise more. If we can't trust our doctors, who can we trust? I do have a good doctor, but would prefer that she also be more cognizant of how to approach treatment in a natural, holistic way as well. But, I am also responsible for my good health. That is why I try to investigate alternative approaches, and discuss them with the doctor.
Tamara
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 15, 2004, at 23:11:11
In reply to Re: Amino Acid Nutrition Therapy » saw, posted by jujube on October 13, 2004, at 8:09:32
> There is also a book called "The Diet Cure" which deals with rebalancing body chemistry and thereby ending cravings, weight problems and mood swings...
I'd just like to plug the double double quotes feature at this site:
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The first time anyone refers to a book, movie, or music without using this option, I post this to try to make sure he or she at least knows about it. It's just an option, though, and doesn't *have* to be used. If people *choose* not to use it, I'd be interested why not, but I'd like that redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration:
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Thanks!
Bob
Posted by gromit on October 20, 2004, at 1:41:19
In reply to Re: Aminos, when/how to take?, posted by mmb on October 15, 2004, at 17:41:18
> Read this article:
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> http://www.asktheinternettherapist.com/counselingarchive_depression_neurotransmitters.asp
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> I have been taking amino acids for several months now (read my post about L-glutamine down), they certainly work.I found this article interesting as I was under the impression that there were no tests that could determine an imbalance in neurotransmitter levels. I would think that taking appreciable amounts of say 5-HTP or Tryptophan would not be the best idea if you are taking an SSRI.
Rick
Posted by Larry Hoover on October 20, 2004, at 7:57:31
In reply to Re: Aminos, when/how to take?, posted by gromit on October 20, 2004, at 1:41:19
> I found this article interesting as I was under the impression that there were no tests that could determine an imbalance in neurotransmitter levels. I would think that taking appreciable amounts of say 5-HTP or Tryptophan would not be the best idea if you are taking an SSRI.
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> RickThere are no useful tests for neurotransmitter function. Well, they are useful, for increasing the revenue of the labs.
As an example, 5-HIAA is the urinary metabolite of serotonin. Yes, it is indicative of total serotinergic degradation, but it doesn't tell you where the serotonin came from. It could have come from food. It could have come from the intestinal tract, or blood cells. Less than 10%, perhaps less than 5%, of all the serotonin in your body is in your brain. There is no way to know from a urine test what is happening in your brain.
Moreover, even if they could somehow link a portion of that 5-HIAA to net brain serotonin activity, there is no conceivable way to determine which structures of the brain gave rise to the serotonin itself. Differences in serotonin activity across brain structures have been associated with mood disorders, but some of those are actually increases. Moreover, the vast majority of the serotonin in the brain is re-absorbed into neurons (unless one is on a reuptake inhibitor).
Believe me, if urinalysis was a useful tool, your mainstream doctor would use it. It is a cheap test, easily done, but of no utility whatsoever.
Lar
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