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Posted by katia on November 9, 2004, at 17:06:38
Anyone have any experiences with this?
Posted by linkadge on November 10, 2004, at 11:07:24
In reply to Shamanic healing for bipolar/mental illness?, posted by katia on November 9, 2004, at 17:06:38
No, but my preist/ spiritual leader supposedly healed me of mental illness. That lasted all of 4 hours and 16 minutes.
He said it didn't work cause I did't believe.
I said I didn't believe cause it didn't work !!!!
Linakdge
Posted by katia on November 10, 2004, at 12:17:40
In reply to Re: Shamanic healing for bipolar/mental illness?, posted by linkadge on November 10, 2004, at 11:07:24
There actually are shamans (not priests) who do this sort of work. Dr. malidoma Patrice Some Ph.D is one of them. Lots of shamans out there. It's totally different than a priest. It's about energy work and being able to actually see auras and so forth.
Anyone tried this?
Posted by linkadge on November 10, 2004, at 17:10:32
In reply to Re: Shamanic healing for bipolar/mental illness?, posted by katia on November 10, 2004, at 12:17:40
Person: Can you see my aura ??
Shamann: Of course
Person: So if I put this magazine infront of my
face, you could see my aura through the
magazine??Shamann: Well yes, of course I could.
Person: So If I walk behind this wall, you could
tell me the location of my body by seeing
the aura through the wall ??Shamann: ...........
Linkadge
Posted by Toph on November 10, 2004, at 22:00:45
In reply to Shamanic healing for bipolar/mental illness?, posted by katia on November 9, 2004, at 17:06:38
Define healing.
-Toph
Posted by linkadge on November 11, 2004, at 10:38:42
In reply to Re: Shamanic healing for bipolar/mental illness? » katia, posted by Toph on November 10, 2004, at 22:00:45
Just because I am skeptical does not mean that a certain treatment is not useful.
All I can say is be cautious.
Linkadge
Posted by Toph on November 11, 2004, at 17:05:39
In reply to I appologise for being disrespectful, posted by linkadge on November 11, 2004, at 10:38:42
Hey, no problem, I assumed your skepticism was based on a concern about what katia might be getting into. I just wondered what her goals might be.
-Toph
Posted by Mad Jap Poet on November 12, 2004, at 1:17:24
In reply to Shamanic healing for bipolar/mental illness?, posted by katia on November 9, 2004, at 17:06:38
> Anyone have any experiences with this?
Hi Katia,
I have had experiences with shamanic healing. It has helped me a lot and still does. I have been labeled with many diagnoses, including bipolar.
My experience has been wonderful, but it is hard because all sorts of feelings deep inside me began to bubble (sometimes erupt) up. It's hard "work". I'm lucky to have found someone who is really good for me (very responsive) and is great at it. For me, this is the path I need to heal and it works for me. It's not for everyone, though (I have friends who choose other approaches.) I'm not trying to discourage you, just sharing my experience. It's up to you.
Shamanic healing can take many forms, including things that are thought of by most as shaman stuff, but also things like reiki/ energy healing. Were you thinking about any particular form of shamanism? I've experinced reiki, other energy healing and some other shamanic things that need some explaining - it's better in my mind to describe things rather than give them a label.
To me, it's important to find someone who really knows what they are doing and is good at it - and also someone you really connect with. There are some people out there who are either too messed up themselves to be helping someone else, or are frauds.
I feel like I'm going on and on. I'll write more about my experience if you'd like. Just ask me :)
Mad Jap Poet
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 12, 2004, at 8:08:16
In reply to Re: Shamanic healing for bipolar/mental illness?, posted by Mad Jap Poet on November 12, 2004, at 1:17:24
> Mad J[*]p Poet
Sorry, but the idea here is not to use language that could offend others, so could you please re-register using a different name?
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, please see the FAQ:
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Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by katia on November 14, 2004, at 15:31:15
In reply to Re: Shamanic healing for bipolar/mental illness?, posted by Mad Jap Poet on November 12, 2004, at 1:17:24
Hi Mad Poet,
Thanks for your post. It's actually something I've been thinking about for years and reading about. I go in and out of my desire for meds and then my inclination that the scientific community is one lens to look through at this bipolar dx. I understand that i am considered bipolar through that lens, I just also understand there is more to it than just that; there are many variables which also simultaneously effect each other as well - feed off each other.I have read some about Dr. Malidoma Patrice Some from Africa practices of healing. They are so very different than Western scientific paradigms. Mental disorders are looked at as spiritual emergencies. Most "mentally ill" people are highly sensitive as well - I know my antennae is very fined tuned and I pick up on a lot that others don't. Anyway, another shamanic healer, Sandra Ingerman, I've read her book "Soul Retrieval" and actually had contact with her a couple years ago. I chose to go the medical/med route instead, but after two years of this route, I intuitively feel there is something more going on that meds cannot address alone. Sandra talks a lot about spirit guides and the underworld/middle where she journeys in the healings.
I would be very interested in hearing about your experience. If you feel safer revealing it privately to avoid ridicule from the skeptics, feel free to send me a babble message that I only can see by clicking on my name above.
take care,
katia> Hi Katia,
>
> I have had experiences with shamanic healing. It has helped me a lot and still does. I have been labeled with many diagnoses, including bipolar.
>
> My experience has been wonderful, but it is hard because all sorts of feelings deep inside me began to bubble (sometimes erupt) up. It's hard "work". I'm lucky to have found someone who is really good for me (very responsive) and is great at it. For me, this is the path I need to heal and it works for me. It's not for everyone, though (I have friends who choose other approaches.) I'm not trying to discourage you, just sharing my experience. It's up to you.
>
> Shamanic healing can take many forms, including things that are thought of by most as shaman stuff, but also things like reiki/ energy healing. Were you thinking about any particular form of shamanism? I've experinced reiki, other energy healing and some other shamanic things that need some explaining - it's better in my mind to describe things rather than give them a label.
>
> To me, it's important to find someone who really knows what they are doing and is good at it - and also someone you really connect with. There are some people out there who are either too messed up themselves to be helping someone else, or are frauds.
>
> I feel like I'm going on and on. I'll write more about my experience if you'd like. Just ask me :)
>
> Mad Jap Poet
>
>
Posted by Poetess on November 22, 2004, at 13:11:22
In reply to Re: Shamanic healing for bipolar/mental illness? » Mad Jap Poet, posted by katia on November 14, 2004, at 15:31:15
Hi Katia,
I'm the person who originally sent this message out to you. Had to change my screen name.
Sorry it's taken me so long to write back. I would prefer to do this over babblemail. Wanted to let you know that it's still me :)
Since I last wrote, besides seeing a practitioner, I have been reading some interesting books on shamanism. May post those on the forum later for all to take a look at, as well.
Poetess
> Hi Mad Poet,
> Thanks for your post. It's actually something I've been thinking about for years and reading about. I go in and out of my desire for meds and then my inclination that the scientific community is one lens to look through at this bipolar dx. I understand that i am considered bipolar through that lens, I just also understand there is more to it than just that; there are many variables which also simultaneously effect each other as well - feed off each other.
>
> I have read some about Dr. Malidoma Patrice Some from Africa practices of healing. They are so very different than Western scientific paradigms. Mental disorders are looked at as spiritual emergencies. Most "mentally ill" people are highly sensitive as well - I know my antennae is very fined tuned and I pick up on a lot that others don't. Anyway, another shamanic healer, Sandra Ingerman, I've read her book "Soul Retrieval" and actually had contact with her a couple years ago. I chose to go the medical/med route instead, but after two years of this route, I intuitively feel there is something more going on that meds cannot address alone. Sandra talks a lot about spirit guides and the underworld/middle where she journeys in the healings.
> I would be very interested in hearing about your experience. If you feel safer revealing it privately to avoid ridicule from the skeptics, feel free to send me a babble message that I only can see by clicking on my name above.
> take care,
> katia
>
> > Hi Katia,
> >
> > I have had experiences with shamanic healing. It has helped me a lot and still does. I have been labeled with many diagnoses, including bipolar.
> >
> > My experience has been wonderful, but it is hard because all sorts of feelings deep inside me began to bubble (sometimes erupt) up. It's hard "work". I'm lucky to have found someone who is really good for me (very responsive) and is great at it. For me, this is the path I need to heal and it works for me. It's not for everyone, though (I have friends who choose other approaches.) I'm not trying to discourage you, just sharing my experience. It's up to you.
> >
> > Shamanic healing can take many forms, including things that are thought of by most as shaman stuff, but also things like reiki/ energy healing. Were you thinking about any particular form of shamanism? I've experinced reiki, other energy healing and some other shamanic things that need some explaining - it's better in my mind to describe things rather than give them a label.
> >
> > To me, it's important to find someone who really knows what they are doing and is good at it - and also someone you really connect with. There are some people out there who are either too messed up themselves to be helping someone else, or are frauds.
> >
> > I feel like I'm going on and on. I'll write more about my experience if you'd like. Just ask me :)
> >
> > Mad Jap Poet
> >
> >
>
>
Posted by Poetess on November 24, 2004, at 3:08:44
In reply to Re: Shamanic healing for bipolar/mental illness?, posted by Poetess on November 22, 2004, at 13:11:22
Hi,
Here are a couple of incredible books on shamanism and healing.
"Fools Crow Wisdom and Power" by Thomas E. Mails (second book in the series, first one is titled 'Fools Crow'). Fool's Crow was an American Indian holy man/healer and nephew of Black Elk.
"Shaking Out the Spirits" by Bradford Keeney. A psychotherapist who becomes an apprentice in global shamanism.
> Hi Katia,
>
> I'm the person who originally sent this message out to you. Had to change my screen name.
>
> Sorry it's taken me so long to write back. I would prefer to do this over babblemail. Wanted to let you know that it's still me :)
>
> Since I last wrote, besides seeing a practitioner, I have been reading some interesting books on shamanism. May post those on the forum later for all to take a look at, as well.
>
> Poetess
>
> > Hi Mad Poet,
> > Thanks for your post. It's actually something I've been thinking about for years and reading about. I go in and out of my desire for meds and then my inclination that the scientific community is one lens to look through at this bipolar dx. I understand that i am considered bipolar through that lens, I just also understand there is more to it than just that; there are many variables which also simultaneously effect each other as well - feed off each other.
> >
> > I have read some about Dr. Malidoma Patrice Some from Africa practices of healing. They are so very different than Western scientific paradigms. Mental disorders are looked at as spiritual emergencies. Most "mentally ill" people are highly sensitive as well - I know my antennae is very fined tuned and I pick up on a lot that others don't. Anyway, another shamanic healer, Sandra Ingerman, I've read her book "Soul Retrieval" and actually had contact with her a couple years ago. I chose to go the medical/med route instead, but after two years of this route, I intuitively feel there is something more going on that meds cannot address alone. Sandra talks a lot about spirit guides and the underworld/middle where she journeys in the healings.
> > I would be very interested in hearing about your experience. If you feel safer revealing it privately to avoid ridicule from the skeptics, feel free to send me a babble message that I only can see by clicking on my name above.
> > take care,
> > katia
Posted by katia on November 24, 2004, at 4:21:10
In reply to Books on Shamanism and Healing, posted by Poetess on November 24, 2004, at 3:08:44
Hi,
I want to reply to you. I just haven't had the time. Please know that I got your babblemail and will respond soon.
Katia
Hi,
>
> Here are a couple of incredible books on shamanism and healing.
>
> "Fools Crow Wisdom and Power" by Thomas E. Mails (second book in the series, first one is titled 'Fools Crow'). Fool's Crow was an American Indian holy man/healer and nephew of Black Elk.
>
> "Shaking Out the Spirits" by Bradford Keeney. A psychotherapist who becomes an apprentice in global shamanism.
>
> > Hi Katia,
> >
> > I'm the person who originally sent this message out to you. Had to change my screen name.
> >
> > Sorry it's taken me so long to write back. I would prefer to do this over babblemail. Wanted to let you know that it's still me :)
> >
> > Since I last wrote, besides seeing a practitioner, I have been reading some interesting books on shamanism. May post those on the forum later for all to take a look at, as well.
> >
> > Poetess
> >
> > > Hi Mad Poet,
> > > Thanks for your post. It's actually something I've been thinking about for years and reading about. I go in and out of my desire for meds and then my inclination that the scientific community is one lens to look through at this bipolar dx. I understand that i am considered bipolar through that lens, I just also understand there is more to it than just that; there are many variables which also simultaneously effect each other as well - feed off each other.
> > >
> > > I have read some about Dr. Malidoma Patrice Some from Africa practices of healing. They are so very different than Western scientific paradigms. Mental disorders are looked at as spiritual emergencies. Most "mentally ill" people are highly sensitive as well - I know my antennae is very fined tuned and I pick up on a lot that others don't. Anyway, another shamanic healer, Sandra Ingerman, I've read her book "Soul Retrieval" and actually had contact with her a couple years ago. I chose to go the medical/med route instead, but after two years of this route, I intuitively feel there is something more going on that meds cannot address alone. Sandra talks a lot about spirit guides and the underworld/middle where she journeys in the healings.
> > > I would be very interested in hearing about your experience. If you feel safer revealing it privately to avoid ridicule from the skeptics, feel free to send me a babble message that I only can see by clicking on my name above.
> > > take care,
> > > katia
>
>
>
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 25, 2004, at 0:07:22
In reply to Books on Shamanism and Healing, posted by Poetess on November 24, 2004, at 3:08:44
> "Fools Crow Wisdom and Power" by Thomas E. Mails (second book in the series, first one is titled 'Fools Crow').
>
> "Shaking Out the Spirits" by Bradford Keeney.I'd just like to plug the double double quotes feature at this site:
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Thanks!
Bob
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