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Posted by jparsell82 on December 27, 2004, at 2:19:37
In reply to Re: Modafinil » jparsell82, posted by jujube on December 22, 2004, at 20:04:30
> These are great suggestions. I just started using NADH a week ago, and have found it works very well for me (a definite and real improvement in energy levels and motivation). I also added DMAE (250 mg) and, three days ago, started using Rhodiola. In addition, a few weeks ago, I had added Vitex (Chasteberry) mostly for hormonal balancing and PMS. Questions for you. What would be your opinion on my adding about 100 - 200 mg of DMG to take with the NADH in the morning as well as adding a dose of Acetyl L-Carnitine at perhaps noon? I was under the impression that DMAE and Acetyl L-Carnitine did almost the same thing. Would it be overkill to take both at the same time? Have you ever tried Pregnenolone? I was wondering if it might be a more multi-purpose supplement compared to the DHEA?
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> Thanks, and sorry for all the questions.
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> Tamara
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I can't give any recommendations on the DMG... I've tried TMG which is almost the same but I would ask Larry Hoover for advice on it. I don't think it would be any problem adding it to your lineup though. I'm not sure whether Pregnenolene of DHEA is superior. Pregnenolene may be better for memory. If you have the money I would get 7-keto DHEA though. You may want to take week long breaks with it every once in awhile too.> > I thought I'd offer up some suggestions for fatigue(non-prescription). Before I do though... don't they have Milnacipran(Ixel) in the UK? Couldn't you give that a try?
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> > -Centrophenoxine or the cheaper DMAE can help attention and act as a mild psychostimulant... you'd have to experiment with dosages.
> > -Acetyl-L Carnitine Alpha-Lipoic Acid will help energy and is good for your health anyways.
> > -Vinpocetine could really help. It enhances glucose and oxygen uptake from the blood by brain neurons and increases ATP production.
> > -TMG or DMG
> > -L-Tyrosine or L-Phenylalanine
> > -NADH... expensive though and I think it's overrated.
> > -DHEA boosts energy levels some and can also be helpful for anxiety.
> > -Rhodiola Rosea(works better than ginseng in my opinion)
> > -Creatine(the new creatine ethyl ester form you can take in capsules effectively)
> > -B-Vitamins
> > -I'm also going to include Aniracetam. For some people it's stimulating, some people it's the opposite and other people do not notice anything. You have to experiment around with the dosage of it because a low dose can be better than a high dose or vice-versa depending on the person. Aniracetam can be helpful for Social Anxiety(check out the first link below). I added a couple more informative links below also.
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> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11412837
> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11597608
> > http://www.bulknutrition.com/?articleID=95
> > Aniracetam source: www.uniquenutrtion.net
> > www.imminst.org/forum
> >
> > A lot of these substances above will work best and synergize when taken together. Good luck!
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Posted by jparsell82 on December 27, 2004, at 2:19:37
In reply to Re: To jparsell82.... my visit to the pdoc, posted by ed_uk on December 23, 2004, at 7:38:27
If you do, I would recommend Iherb. They have great prices and shipping rates(I'm not sure about to the UK though).
> Hi,
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> Thank you for your suggestions :-)
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> I went to the pdoc this morning but he refused to prescribe anything for my fatigue/apathy. He asked me whether I was depressed and I said no so he told me that I didn't have a problem. He never looks at my actual symptoms, he's too busy trying to search for symptoms of depression (which is, btw, virtually the only condition that he is familiar with!)
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> Anyway, I asked him to refer me to a different psychiatrist and he agreed.
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> I also went to a health food shop this morning. They only had....
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> DLPA
> L-Carnitine
> Rhodiola
> B-Complex
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> They didn't have any of the other supplements that you suggested. Maybe I should order some supplements from a catalogue.
>
> Regards,
> Ed.
Posted by jujube on December 27, 2004, at 2:19:38
In reply to Re: Modafinil » jujube, posted by jparsell82 on December 26, 2004, at 8:41:31
Thanks for the response. I will ask Larry about the DMG, if I decide to add it to my lineup. I am a little nervous about Pregnenolone, DHEA and 7-Keto, and plan to do a bit more research before I consider adding any one of those supplements.
So far, I have found that NADH and DMAE have helped my energy and, by extension, my motivation. The DMAE has not really done anything in terms of increased of focus and reduced hyperactivity, which I will need to address before the end of January when I have to go on course for work to get my advanced second language levels in speaking (already have advanced reading and writing). If I don't get a handle on my anxiety (both social and general), hyperactivity, distractibility and lack of focus by then, it will be a misery for me being couped up in a classroom for 8 hours a day, particularly one where participation is going to be key to success. I can't even sit still for the news for a 1/2 hour.
Question about combining meds with natural supplements. How much caution is needed when doing this? Do you just monitor your physical and psychological reactions and eliminate or reduce as needed? I am really thinking I need to add something like Provigil to help me, but do like the added energy that NADH seems to be giving me. In your view, would it be problematic combining NADH and DMAE with an AD and a stimulant?
Thanks so much.
Tamara
> I can't give any recommendations on the DMG... I've tried TMG which is almost the same but I would ask Larry Hoover for advice on it. I don't think it would be any problem adding it to your lineup though. I'm not sure whether Pregnenolene of DHEA is superior. Pregnenolene may be better for memory. If you have the money I would get 7-keto DHEA though. You may want to take week long breaks with it every once in awhile too.
>
Posted by TeeJay on December 27, 2004, at 21:05:11
In reply to Re: To jparsell82.... my visit to the pdoc » ed_uk, posted by jparsell82 on December 26, 2004, at 8:44:41
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