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Posted by Spector on December 26, 2004, at 2:02:43
Ok. This is a long shot.
I am in a cripplingly severe depression with extreme anxiety (cannot care for myself) that was caused by taking Adderall (prescribed to me by a psychiatrist who knew my medical history) which triggered a bipolar relapse after 13-1/2 years of complete remission.
The depression part of this relapse has so far lasted an unspeakable 2 plus years. After many many conventional therapies as well as many more alternative ones, I am now working with a very experienced homeopath.
We are considering making a remedy from the Adderall itself. This will only make sense to those of you familiar with the basic homeopathic principle that what in large doses causes certain symptoms, can cure those same symptoms in very very tiny doses.
I am wondering if there is another soul on this earth who has ever tried such a thing -- having a homeopathic remedy made from the very drug that caused either a terribly dibilitating adverse reaction, or triggered a dormant illness to not only come back, but to return more ferociously than ever.
Thank you,
Nomi
Posted by TeeJay on December 27, 2004, at 20:59:57
In reply to Custom-made homeopathic remedy?, posted by Spector on December 26, 2004, at 2:02:43
Never heard of this being done myself, but I am very interested in the results if you'd be kind enough to post them up. I hope it all goes very well for you :-)
TJ
Posted by Spector on January 1, 2005, at 0:23:01
In reply to Re: Custom-made homeopathic remedy?, posted by TeeJay on December 27, 2004, at 20:59:57
> Never heard of this being done myself, but I am very interested in the results if you'd be kind enough to post them up. I hope it all goes very well for you :-)
>
> TJYes, actually, it is fairly commonly done in homeopathy when a person has been made sick by exposure to a toxic (at least to them) substance. I too am very interested in the results. In fact, I am nearly mad with the frustration of having to wait for the process of getting the drug and then having the lab make the remedy. We have already tried six standard remedies that have done little or nothing and I have a gut feeling that a remedy made from the Adderall itself could be exactly what I need after 2-1/2 years of indescribable suffering and so many unthinkably discouraging and exhausting treatment attempts. It's true, the narratively tidy story of being cured by the same substance that "poisoned" me (albeit now in a non-toxic form) is quite seductive. But that doesn't mean it can't be "the" thing.
Yes, I will certainly post results. Thank you for your interest and good wishes. Need them.
Nomi
Posted by Spector on February 22, 2005, at 21:55:02
In reply to Re: Custom-made homeopathic remedy?, posted by TeeJay on December 27, 2004, at 20:59:57
> Never heard of this being done myself, but I am very interested in the results if you'd be kind enough to post them up. I hope it all goes very well for you :-)
>
> TJTJ, Hi. As promised I am reporting the results of taking the homeopathic remedy made directly from the Adderall that triggered my catastrophic relapse into manic depression that had been completely dormant for over 13 years. As I mentioned in my first post about this, the depression part of this relapse has been crippling and unremitting for now 27 months 3 weeks and 1 day.
As you can guess from that last sentence, the custom made remedy did not work -- a very difficult disappointment, the most recent among many many devastating failures.
I would like to mention, however, that a "master" homeopath whom I contacted did confirm that it was a reasonable way to go homeopathically and he felt it could well be curative. He has seen medication-induced illnesses cured by homeopathically prepared solutions of the offending drug. So, for anyone out there in a similar situation who is trying homeopathy, it is not a fanciful prospect.
I hope and pray and beg to be able to report good news soon. I would like to be able to survive this. I have a whole life waiting for me.
I ask for prayers from any willing prayers out there. I need them. Very badly.
Thank you,
Nomi Spector
Posted by teejay on February 23, 2005, at 20:12:51
In reply to Re: Custom-made homeopathic remedy?, posted by Spector on February 22, 2005, at 21:55:02
Hi,
Very sorry to hear your experiment didnt work for you :-(
Dont despair though, there are rakes of things worth trying, many of which have been listed here.
Everyone has their own thing that works basedon their individual screw up of body chemistry. I've found a hefty dose of Vit d has helped me recently. Ok, I still feel lousy at times, and overall i'm still not well, but its an improvement and thats what counts!!
Perhaps if you wrote a post which highlighted your worst symptoms, what seems to trigger them or make them worse etc etc then some of the knowledgable posters can get their thinking caps on.
I'm not a big believer in God i'm afraid, but I am a big believer in positive energy and I will be directing some your way tonight :-)
Regards
TJ
Posted by tealady on February 24, 2005, at 4:27:02
In reply to Re: Custom-made homeopathic remedy?, posted by Spector on February 22, 2005, at 21:55:02
Hi,
I'm sorry to hear the homeopathy didn't work for you too. I'd of thought it had a reasonable chance of working, at least in theory. Thanks for letting us all know. It's great to get that kind of feedback.Don't give up though. Maybe accupuncture might work. I've just tried accupuncture and I'm fairly sure it increased my adrenals.(I was low in function)
I've no idea what Adderall does and I've not tried that path. I was naive enough to trial many SSRI's and other antiD's though, which probably helped destroy my health..at least that's my opinion of how they affected me. Maybe it was just not getting the correct treatment though as well as too much stress.I'm also a believer in positive energy, at least I believe I feel it:-)
Sending positive thoughts your way as well,
Jan
Posted by Spector on February 28, 2005, at 0:34:03
In reply to Re: Custom-made homeopathic remedy? » Spector, posted by tealady on February 24, 2005, at 4:27:02
> Hi,
> I'm sorry to hear the homeopathy didn't work for you too. I'd of thought it had a reasonable chance of working, at least in theory. Thanks for letting us all know. It's great to get that kind of feedback.
>
> Don't give up though. Maybe accupuncture might work. I've just tried accupuncture and I'm fairly sure it increased my adrenals.(I was low in function)
> I've no idea what Adderall does and I've not tried that path. I was naive enough to trial many SSRI's and other antiD's though, which probably helped destroy my health..at least that's my opinion of how they affected me. Maybe it was just not getting the correct treatment though as well as too much stress.
>
> I'm also a believer in positive energy, at least I believe I feel it:-)
>
> Sending positive thoughts your way as well,
>
> Jan
>
Thank you and TJ very much for your good thoughts and sympathy.I have tried accupunture plus other very intensive energy work as well. Despite incredible effort on my part and the practioner's, no luck. (My addrenals, by the way, actually need serious calming down -- they have been in unbelievable overdrive for 28 months. My depression is a severely anxious one. Crippling.)
Adderall is a stimulant used to treat ADD. It was prescribed to me when I innocently went to a new psychiatrist just for background monitoring as my manic depression had been in complete remission for almost 14 years. She felt I had mild symptoms of ADD and that the Adderall could help. In fact what it did was intsantaneously trigger a bipolar relapse the stubborness of which I had never experienced in the episodes I had when I was much younger. The period of hypomania lasted a full 5 months, and the nearly incapacitating terror-filled depression has now gone on unrelentingly for 28 months.
Apparently, despite the fact that Adderall is made of four AMPHEDIMINES, the company says it is safe for people with my history, that it does not trigger mania. (This, I believe, will be changing.) And the subject did not even come up when this doctor was suggesting it. If anyone had even questioned the idea in my presence, I would not have touched it with a ten foot pole. Whatever mildly frustrating symptoms of possible ADD I may have, they would have been zero against even the possibility of triggering the unceasing nightmare that I am now living. I was a healthy person triving in live at the moment this drug was given to me. I am now not functioning. I had to leave my beautiful husband, my home, my studio and life as a painter in Brooklyn NY to move back into my mother's house in CT because I could no longer take care of myself. That was Nov. 2002 and has continued until this day despite our best efforts at one treatment attempt after another.
Thank you again,
Nomi Spector
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