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Posted by verne on August 16, 2005, at 14:21:14
Anyone try Relora? I was "rotating" my cupboards and discovered some herbs I had forgotten about. I can't remember why I even bought this one.
I think it might have had to do with depression or weight-loss. At the same level of the "dig" I also uncovered some Mega Hoodia, Rhodiola, Pantethine, and the odd herbal formula.
Anyone have much experience with Hoodia and Rhodiola? Again, I think I got them for weight loss but I'm hoping they also help with mood, excessive use of italics, and heavy metaphor mixing.
Verne
Posted by Declan on August 18, 2005, at 15:59:42
In reply to Relora, posted by verne on August 16, 2005, at 14:21:14
Is Hoodia a weight loss thing?
Rhodiola's a good one for mood, or one worth looking at. I'd take it if my sleep was better.
Pantethene was recommended to me by my dr. Memory thing?
Your cupboards sound interesting, I want to see them. I could show you mine, all this stuff I haven't taken.
But what is Relora?
Declan
Posted by verne on August 18, 2005, at 16:58:20
In reply to Re: Relora, posted by Declan on August 18, 2005, at 15:59:42
I found relora in several formulas for nervous tension and depression. It is thought to suppress appettite. (but won't help with my spelling)
One product claims relora will "alleviate symptoms associated with stress such as nervous tension, irritability, concentration difficulties and occasional sleeplessness. The relaxing effect of Relora® can thereby help to control appetite and prevent stress-related eating, aiding in weight control. NOW® Relora® is an all-natural proprietary blend of plant extracts from Magnolia officinalis and Phellodendron amurense"
I need to do some controlled experiments. I take handfuls of supplements and I'm never sure what worked or didn't work. But when I took rhodiola, relora, hoodia, and COQ10 together, I almost got high. Something in there seems to work on my depression (atypical: sleep long time and overeat)
Verne
Posted by ed_uk on August 18, 2005, at 18:52:45
In reply to Re: Relora, posted by Declan on August 18, 2005, at 15:59:42
Hi Dec,
I once read an article about Relora in the paper. I think it contains Magnolia. It's supposed to be good for anxiety.
~ed
Posted by teejay on August 18, 2005, at 22:48:56
In reply to Re: Relora, posted by Declan on August 18, 2005, at 15:59:42
<i>Your cupboards sound interesting, I want to see them. I could show you mine, all this stuff I haven't taken.</i>
Wow, thats the wackiest chat up line i've ever heard ;-)))))
Posted by KaraS on August 18, 2005, at 23:26:28
In reply to Relora, posted by verne on August 16, 2005, at 14:21:14
> Anyone try Relora? I was "rotating" my cupboards and discovered some herbs I had forgotten about. I can't remember why I even bought this one.
Hi Verne!
I think Relora is supposed to lower cortisol levels. Lowering cortisol can help with anxiety and some say it can help with weight loss too (at least that's the theory behind Cortislim and other products like that).
Kara
Posted by Declan on August 19, 2005, at 0:46:47
In reply to Re: Relora » Declan, posted by teejay on August 18, 2005, at 22:48:56
I was very turned on by Verne's excessive use of italics and heavy metaphor mixing.
Declan
Posted by ed_uk on August 19, 2005, at 14:47:44
In reply to Re: Relora » teejay, posted by Declan on August 19, 2005, at 0:46:47
>I was very turned on by Verne's excessive use of italics and heavy metaphor mixing.
I think I'm starting to understand you Declan.
~Ed
Posted by verne on August 19, 2005, at 14:57:00
In reply to Re: Relora » verne, posted by KaraS on August 18, 2005, at 23:26:28
Hi Kara,
I'm still experimenting with herbs and supplements until the segeline patch comes out in December. I'm just about ready to try MAO Inhibitors for the atypical depression but thought I would wait for the patch.
I thought, too, I would give passion flower another try. I've read that it contains MAO Inhibitors.
Otherwise, I'm still looking into enthobotanicals like blue lotus. I found the best site for ordering exotic barely legal herbs was iamshaman.com. I had a bad experience with a couple other vendors. They are as reliable as iherb.com
But before I try anything new I do some research to determine how safe it is. Some enthobotanicals are poisons. I wouldn't want my liver to spontaneously eject from my body.
Verne
Posted by KaraS on August 19, 2005, at 17:42:03
In reply to Re: Relora » KaraS, posted by verne on August 19, 2005, at 14:57:00
> Hi Kara,
>
> I'm still experimenting with herbs and supplements until the segeline patch comes out in December. I'm just about ready to try MAO Inhibitors for the atypical depression but thought I would wait for the patch.
>
> I thought, too, I would give passion flower another try. I've read that it contains MAO Inhibitors.
>
> Otherwise, I'm still looking into enthobotanicals like blue lotus. I found the best site for ordering exotic barely legal herbs was iamshaman.com. I had a bad experience with a couple other vendors. They are as reliable as iherb.com
>
> But before I try anything new I do some research to determine how safe it is. Some enthobotanicals are poisons. I wouldn't want my liver to spontaneously eject from my body.
>
> Verne
I too prefer that my liver stay put. I haven't been doing much experimenting with herbs lately. Just sticking to the harder stuff. Thanks for the site. I'm going to bookmark it. Let us know if/when you have some success. Take care.K
P.S. I hope the selegiline patch comes out soon - for you and so many others!
Posted by KaraS on August 19, 2005, at 17:43:24
In reply to Re: Relora » teejay, posted by Declan on August 19, 2005, at 0:46:47
> I was very turned on by Verne's excessive use of italics and heavy metaphor mixing.
> Declan
Verne is very clever .... and you are very strange! :-)K
Posted by gromit on August 19, 2005, at 23:04:47
In reply to Re: Relora » KaraS, posted by verne on August 19, 2005, at 14:57:00
> I'm still experimenting with herbs and supplements until the segeline patch comes out in December. I'm just about ready to try MAO Inhibitors for the atypical depression but thought I would wait for the patch.
It seems like I've heard this song before, can you post a link about the patch being available in December? I hope you're right, I've been wanting to try this for a couple of years now.
> I thought, too, I would give passion flower another try. I've read that it contains MAO Inhibitors.Fo Ti is supposed to have MAOI properties, I had some success combining it with Mucana Pruriens for dopamine. It doesn't really compare with selegiline though. Passion flower sounds like the opposite route though, more calming.
> Otherwise, I'm still looking into enthobotanicals like blue lotus. I found the best site for ordering exotic barely legal herbs was iamshaman.com. I had a bad experience with a couple other vendors. They are as reliable as iherb.comHave you tried legal herbs like the ones for sale at http://www.herbalsmokeshop.com/ ?
> But before I try anything new I do some research to determine how safe it is. Some enthobotanicals are poisons. I wouldn't want my liver to spontaneously eject from my body.
Oh crap, so that can really happen?
Rick
Posted by verne on August 20, 2005, at 0:17:06
In reply to Re: Relora » verne, posted by gromit on August 19, 2005, at 23:04:47
Rick,
The transdermal patch is called Emsam and is scheduled for November 27th. Here's a link: http://www.drugs.com/nda/emsam_050616.html
I've tried Fo-Ti along with Gotu Kola and Ginseng but thought all three had too much of a body load - with Gotu Kola being the lightest. Perhaps I'll give Fo-Ti a whirl again.
Also tried the herbal smokeshop pot alternatives like Daggia and Salvia D. Daggia made me wish more than ever that pot were legal. Daggia may look and smell like pot but it simply doesn't do anything. I got much more out of smoking lotus.
I even built a homemade waterpipe just for my lotus experiments. The most sedating, yet pleasant, variety is: Nelumbo Nucifera. There's a kind of medicinal just-got-a-shot-from-the-dentist feeling. Nymphaea Caerulea is lighter and more of an aphrodisiac. Best soaked in wine for a week but can also be smoked.
I'm still searching, but of all the exotics or "enthnobotanicals" (not sure why they're called that), the different types of blue, white, or sacred Lotus are my choice for anxiety and even depression.
I would use them more but I keep taking my waterpipe apart and hiding the pieces during paranoid moments. I suddenly fear that the police will arrive and I'll be arrested for drug paraphenalia (can't spell that either).
Anyway, Blue Lotus has been used since ancient Egypt to produce visions and euphoria. It's also used in Buddhist culture. I've bought different types from Nepal and Africa.
Sorry about the rambling, I fired up the mobile easily-disposable toilet-paper tube pipe with some Nepalise Nelumbo. At first I was almost too sedated but now I'm flying - 2 hours later.
Last summer, a friend and I tried several different enthnos and exotic stuff. I can't even remember them all. Legal poppy varieties, karom from Cambodia, and just about anything that had an alkaloid or opiate pulse. We drew the line at anything that was obviously poisonous.
In the end we decided pot was best and the Lotus, promising. But we are both too paranoid to use weed on a steady basis so again with the weird, yet legal, alternatives.
Verne
Posted by tealady on August 20, 2005, at 4:45:56
In reply to Re: Relora » teejay, posted by Declan on August 19, 2005, at 0:46:47
>>>><i>Your cupboards sound interesting, I want to see them. I could show you mine, all this stuff I haven't taken.</i>
>>Wow, thats the wackiest chat up line i've ever heard ;-))))) :-) really?
> I was very turned on by Verne's excessive use of italics and heavy metaphor mixing.
> Declan
Hi Lar if you're around. Not sure why that made me think of you, but hope your holding up well ..and even enjoying yourself sometimes:-)I sure can't remember or don't even care what a metaphor is...perhaps I'm missing something here??...nah
>I wouldn't want my liver to spontaneously eject from my body.
Yeah! something that I've never worried about!
tea
Posted by ed_uk on August 20, 2005, at 10:40:23
In reply to Relora, posted by verne on August 16, 2005, at 14:21:14
>I wouldn't want my liver to spontaneously eject from my body.
I laughed so hard when I read that. You've certainly got a way with words
~Ed
Posted by verne on August 20, 2005, at 11:41:48
In reply to Re: Relora » verne, posted by ed_uk on August 20, 2005, at 10:40:23
Ed,
I usually try to be original but realize now that I picked up the spontaneous ejection of organs idea off the Japanese game show, "Extreme Challenge" shown on Spike TV. The english commentary is hilarious.
On one episode one of the teams was named the "Organ Donors" and when one of them took an especially nasty fall the announcer said something about the spontaneous ejection of their pancreas.
Verne
Posted by teejay on August 20, 2005, at 20:51:16
In reply to Hi Lar if your around, posted by tealady on August 20, 2005, at 4:45:56
"I wouldn't want my liver to spontaneously eject from my body."
So THATS why aussie blokes wear string vests ;-))
TJ
Posted by ed_uk on August 21, 2005, at 5:30:27
In reply to Re: Relora » ed_uk, posted by verne on August 20, 2005, at 11:41:48
Hi verne,
>I usually try to be original but realize now that I picked up the spontaneous ejection of organs idea off the Japanese game show.........
I think we can let you off ;-)
~Ed
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