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Posted by Tepiaca on August 5, 2005, at 15:54:44
Has anybody tried Accupunture to treat Depression, Social Phobia ,Psychosis or any other
mental problem ??????????I have a friend that told me it has helped him
with stress. I asked if he knows wheter it is also useful for depression and he told me that his doctor said that it is. The same point where doctors insert a niddle to the treatment of stress may also be helpful to combat depression.
Posted by MidnightBlue on August 8, 2005, at 23:54:39
In reply to Accupunture and Depression/Social Phob/Psychosis, posted by Tepiaca on August 5, 2005, at 15:54:44
I tried acupuncture for my knees. It helped them some but helped ME more. It definitely made me less depressed. I am thinking of trying it again.
Midnightblue
> Has anybody tried Accupunture to treat Depression, Social Phobia ,Psychosis or any other
> mental problem ??????????
>
> I have a friend that told me it has helped him
> with stress. I asked if he knows wheter it is also useful for depression and he told me that his doctor said that it is. The same point where doctors insert a niddle to the treatment of stress may also be helpful to combat depression.
>
>
Posted by Declan on August 9, 2005, at 15:38:51
In reply to Accupunture and Depression/Social Phob/Psychosis, posted by Tepiaca on August 5, 2005, at 15:54:44
Hello Tep
I thought I had posted here, but maybe I didn't.
I'm going to see my accupuncturist/chinese herb person this morning like I do every 3 weeks. He'll give me accupuncture and herbs.My experience has been that it is easier to treat anxiety than depression, but this is true of all forms of treatment isn't it? During accupuncture I often fall asleep, and I do feel better in a nice normal way after it. But I think depression and SP are a bit more difficult, which is not to say that accupuncture and herbs can't help them.
I have also used accupuncture and chinese herbs for withdrawal from benzos and opiates. They help a little.
Anyway I take a little bit of Parnate and deprenyl that helps somewhat with the sadness.
Moreso than with a lot of forms of treatment accupuncture and herbs are an art, with more than one way of getting a result perhaps. A good practitioner makes a lot of difference, so you may have to look around.
I think *maybe* it's the single best form of healing we have available to us, if you can get a good practitioner. The herbs are also very interesting. I would like to learn how to use more of them in ordinary cooking like we do already with ginger, garlic, and turmeric.
I wonder how Nardil is going for you. Can you find a dose of it that works with tolerable side effects? If so, tell me the dose!!
Do you have any thoughts on combining low dose Nardil with low dose deprenyl?
Declan
Posted by tepiaca on August 11, 2005, at 11:29:51
In reply to Re: Accupunture and Depression/Social Phob/Psychosis » Tepiaca, posted by Declan on August 9, 2005, at 15:38:51
> I wonder how Nardil is going for you. Can you find a dose of it that works with tolerable side effects? If so, tell me the dose!!
Hi Declan ! thank you for your responseI have been off nardil during 4 weeks. I am losing the weigth I gained on it at 60mg.
I found that the best dose for me its 45mg. I dont have problem with side effects. However this is only when I take the Nardil alone. I tried adding Seroquel to counteract the sleeping problems at 60mg . It helped me but the weight gain was worse.
I really don´t know what is happening now. It is so rare, All these weeks I have been better in terms of social fear. I can talk with people witouth problems. However I dont have motivation to live.
rigth now Im wondering if returning to Nardil would return again my fear. I have no idea.
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> Do you have any thoughts on combining low dose Nardil with low dose deprenyl?
>
> Declan
I really have no idea. does deprenyl decreases GABA levels on brain ?? What r you trying to do with this???Regards !
Tep
Posted by Declan on August 11, 2005, at 22:30:18
In reply to Re: Accupunture and Depression/Social Phob/Psychosis » Declan, posted by tepiaca on August 11, 2005, at 11:29:51
So Tep you're saying that Nardil worked for your depression but not for SP?
As for deprenyl it wouldn't be of any use with SP, I don't think. I mean maybe, but I've never heard that. What I was thinking about was a sufficient AD response without serious side effects (weight gain, sex drive). But anyway they were OK with you at 45mg/d, or at least weight gain was.
Declan
Posted by Tepiaca on August 11, 2005, at 23:19:49
In reply to Re: Accupunture and Depression/Social Phob/Psychosis, posted by Declan on August 11, 2005, at 22:30:18
> So Tep you're saying that Nardil worked for your depression but not for SP?
>
> Declan
Hi DeclanNardil has been the best medicine I´ve ever taken. It has worked better than any other ADs for both, depression and SP.
But I dont know what is happening here!. Less fear without it ????? I don´t understand. I had had periods of less fear when I stoped taking Nardil, but there were periods of 5 or 6 days.Now I have been almost 4 weeks with just a little of fear, and everything began when I stopped Nardil.
Nevertheless I have no desire to interact with people. I feel a little bit depressed and unmotivated to do things. What to do now is the question. what if taking again an AD returns my fear?
what do you suggest Declan?
Im currently on seroquel 25mg and Klono .5mg ( Which I also took when I was on Nardil ?
Posted by Declan on August 12, 2005, at 3:03:46
In reply to Re: Accupunture and Depression/Social Phob/Psychosis » Declan, posted by Tepiaca on August 11, 2005, at 23:19:49
No Tep, I've absolutely no idea. I thought Nardil was supposed to be it for SP. Someone who's taken it, maybe they will know.
Declan
Posted by ravenstorm on August 23, 2005, at 9:41:17
In reply to Re: Accupunture and Depression/Social Phob/Psychosis, posted by Declan on August 12, 2005, at 3:03:46
I started accupuncture a few weeks ago for a bunch of different problems: anxiety, depression, stomach problems and hormone problems. It is too soon to tell how much it will help. I have found a really skilled practicioner, I just have a hard time having hope about anything as I have been unwell for so long and have had no success with alternative or regular medicine since going through severe paxil withdrawal. I will try to remember to post back here about any improvement I make.
She indicated at least three months to really get the hormones under control and that within six months I should be feeling really well. That would be a miracle. I am going every week since I'm pretty messed up. And yes it is expensive, but what other option do I have?
Posted by teejay on August 23, 2005, at 22:06:44
In reply to Re: Accupunture and Depression/Social Phob/Psychosis, posted by ravenstorm on August 23, 2005, at 9:41:17
It would be NO miracle, simply nature healing itself as it often does!
All organisms have the ability to heal themselves and accupuncture just suplies the energy.........as a friend of mine often says "have a little faith baby".
You WILL beat your ailments, and believing you will is half the battle.
I look forward to your positive updates in time :-)
TJ
Posted by ravenstorm on August 24, 2005, at 9:07:33
In reply to Re: Accupunture and Depression/Social Phob/Psychosis, posted by teejay on August 23, 2005, at 22:06:44
I have no doubt that accupuncture can help people with organic problems, however, I have doubts of it being able to do enough to overcome the damage that the psychiatric drugs have done.
To me, that is kind of like animals or the environment being able to evolve fast enough to outpace man's destruction of the environment. . .it just can't happen, evolution takes much much longer than that.
I have no doubt if I'd gotten accupuncture etc before going on AD's I'd have a fighting chance. But the anxiety/depression resultant from severe prolonged paxil withdrawal were so much greater than anything my body could have produced organically on its own, that I have my doubts.
I'm trying to hold on for six months of trying this. But I have a feeling its going to be on to ECT after this.
Thanks for your kind words, its hard to remain positive, when I will be starting my third year of this hell Sept 7th.
Posted by Declan on August 24, 2005, at 13:57:35
In reply to Re: Accupunture and Depression/Social Phob/Psychosis, posted by ravenstorm on August 24, 2005, at 9:07:33
As I guess you know, ravenstorm, accupuncture and chinese herbs are hugely practitioner dependant for their outcomes. I didn't realise you felt so awful.
If it is something to do with Paxil withdrawal maybe Seroctin is worth a go. Paxil is pretty seratogenic, isn't it?
Declan
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