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Posted by ed_uk on October 21, 2005, at 15:57:09
In reply to Re: can i take VITAMIN E 1600 IU at morning at once?, posted by Mistermindmasta on October 20, 2005, at 20:27:13
Hi MMM,
>1600 IU seems slightly high
1600 IU was used in trials of vitamin E for tardive dyskinesia.
Kind regards
~Ed
Posted by ed_uk on October 21, 2005, at 15:57:56
In reply to Re: can i take VITAMIN E 1600 IU at morning at once? » Jeroen, posted by Jakeman on October 20, 2005, at 20:41:18
>At the time I was taking it for Peyronie’s disease. I had complete remission of the condition.
Really? That's amazing.
~ed
Posted by ed_uk on October 21, 2005, at 15:59:23
In reply to Re: I HAVE DL-ALPHA TOCOPHERYL ACETATE » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on October 20, 2005, at 15:34:56
>can i take VITAMIN E 1600 IU at morning at once?
Yes, I think so. Perhaps a lower dose would be equally effective though?
~Ed
Posted by Jeroen on October 21, 2005, at 16:51:26
In reply to Re: I HAVE DL-ALPHA TOCOPHERYL ACETATE » ed_uk, posted by ed_uk on October 21, 2005, at 15:59:23
so what i have to take i want to take 2000 IU like you, what type of vitamin E should i buy?
Posted by Phillipa on October 21, 2005, at 17:38:06
In reply to Re: can i take VITAMIN E 1600 IU at morning at once? » Mistermindmasta, posted by ed_uk on October 21, 2005, at 15:57:09
Ed that's really interesting. So it can reverse TD? Love PJ O
Posted by Jakeman on October 21, 2005, at 19:21:04
In reply to Re: can i take VITAMIN E 1600 IU at morning at once? » Jakeman, posted by ed_uk on October 21, 2005, at 15:57:56
> >At the time I was taking it for Peyronie’s disease. I had complete remission of the condition.
>
> Really? That's amazing.
>
> ~edI can't attribute my cure to vit E, but that's that's what happened.
~Jake
Posted by Jakeman on October 21, 2005, at 19:39:37
In reply to TO JAKE, posted by Jeroen on October 21, 2005, at 15:13:04
> please help me, i will follow your therapy
Hi Jeroen,
My condition was different. But E did appear to help it. I'm not afraid of vitamin E. If you scan the literature there is MUCH more pro than con. Frankly I don't remember what type I was taking when I was doing large doses, it's been several years ago. I still take small dosages because it has positive benefits in a variety of ways. If I had to take a large dose again I would take a natural form which is designated with a "d," as in d-alpha. Synthetic forms will be designated with a "dl," as in dl-alpha. Also I would take mixed tocopherols as other posters have suggested.
Take it for 3 weeks, observe the results then re-evaluate. That's my opinion, I do hope you get some relief.warm regards ~Jake
Posted by Jeroen on October 24, 2005, at 11:53:52
In reply to Re: can i take VITAMIN E 1600 IU at morning at once? » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on October 17, 2005, at 13:41:29
Freeda Vitamin E 400 IU With Mixed Tocopherols 500 TAB
is this ok? i will take it in high dose 1600 IU or 2000 IU for 2 months
I did research about the danger of vitamin E. please your comments,The synthetic form is dangerous in high doses! However, the Natural Mixed Tocopherols (real vitamin E) has been shown to be perfectly safe, even at higher doses. The different forms of vitamin E are distinct and seperate. Thus, to truly understand vitamin E, you must truly understand the different forms availible.
please check here, PLEASE HELP ME!
I need to make the right choice, i dont want to end up worse
Posted by ed_uk on October 24, 2005, at 14:37:26
In reply to TO ED UK URGENT - RESEARCH VITAMIN E, posted by Jeroen on October 24, 2005, at 11:53:52
Hi Jeroen,
>Freeda Vitamin E 400 IU With Mixed Tocopherols 500 TAB
It sounds good. Will you buy it?
~Ed
Posted by Jakeman on October 24, 2005, at 21:57:50
In reply to TO ED UK URGENT - RESEARCH VITAMIN E, posted by Jeroen on October 24, 2005, at 11:53:52
> hi i found http://www.koshervitamins.com/shop/stores_app/
Obviously this is a confusing subject and deserves research as you have done. Here's another article:
http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/121504.htm
Which seems to say that if you take the right kind of E and have an otherwise balanced diet it can be very helpful. Beware of media hype.
~Jake
Posted by Jeroen on October 25, 2005, at 9:40:29
In reply to Re: TO ED UK URGENT - RESEARCH VITAMIN E, posted by Jakeman on October 24, 2005, at 21:57:50
TO ED UK - IS 1600 IU safe each day of those mixed tocepherol the link i showed you?
Posted by Larry Hoover on October 25, 2005, at 12:09:11
In reply to TO ED UK - IS 1600 IU safe each day?, posted by Jeroen on October 25, 2005, at 9:40:29
> TO ED UK - IS 1600 IU safe each day of those mixed tocepherol the link i showed you?
Yes. Absolutely.
I can't think of any subject that has become more prone to scare tactics than is vitamin supplementation.
The Upper Limit for daily intake of alpha-tocopherol is set at 1410 IU (1000 mg/day).
How was that number determined? From studying rats. Rats were given 500 mg/kg/day throughout their lives. After about 24 weeks, subtle changes in blood clotting capacity emerged. Despite clear evidence that the changes were due to vitamin K deficiency, these changes were accepted as the Lowest Observeable Adverse Effects Level indicator symptoms for adverse effects of vitamin E intake.
But how do you determine safe human intakes from chronic massive intake effects in rats? You apply various safety factors (mathematical reduction), which convert the rat threshold of effect into a safe threshold for humans. Using those safety factors, 500 mg/kg/day in rats is prudently equated to 14 mg/kg/day in humans (36-fold reduction). Just to be on the safe side. And ignoring the fact that the adverse effects were not due to vitamin E at all, but were signs of vitamin K deficiency.
Jeroen, I see no reason for you to be worried about trying to treat your symptoms with vitamin E, at your suggested dose level. Yes, I would recommend using the mixed tocopherols, like you have found at that website. It would be prudent to ensure that you also get good intake of vitamin C and alpha-lipoic acid, as they work in tandem with vitamin E. Also, one meal a week of dark green leafy vegetables would ensure that you are not deficient in vitamin K.
Good luck. I wish you success.
Lar
Posted by ed_uk on October 25, 2005, at 14:52:32
In reply to Re: TO ED UK - IS 1600 IU safe each day? » Jeroen, posted by Larry Hoover on October 25, 2005, at 12:09:11
Thank you Lar for helping Jeroen. I am not at all knowledgable about vitamins.
~Ed
Posted by Jeroen on November 4, 2005, at 12:12:04
In reply to Re: TO ED UK - IS 1600 IU safe each day? » Jeroen, posted by Larry Hoover on October 25, 2005, at 12:09:11
can i take 2000 IU mixed tocepherol
ill take it 2 months at mornings, hoping my TD will improve
Posted by Jeroen on November 5, 2005, at 7:11:34
In reply to TO LARRY HOOVER, posted by Jeroen on November 4, 2005, at 12:12:04
i started vitamin E therapy this morning.
Posted by Phillipa on November 5, 2005, at 19:52:55
In reply to TO ED UK, posted by Jeroen on November 5, 2005, at 7:11:34
Hi Jeroen haven't talked with you in a while. So how are all your other meds doing? And I guess you're out ot the hospital. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Jeroen on November 6, 2005, at 0:55:21
In reply to Re: TO ED UK » Jeroen, posted by Phillipa on November 5, 2005, at 19:52:55
no im not out of hospital but im better
Posted by Jeroen on November 6, 2005, at 10:31:34
In reply to Re: TO ED UK, posted by Jeroen on November 6, 2005, at 0:55:21
Vitamin E: Side Effects
There is no known dietary deficiency of vitamin E.There are no known toxic effects to megadoses of vitamin E. Occasional side effects such as headache have been reported.
Posted by ed_uk on November 6, 2005, at 15:56:45
In reply to TO LARRY HOOVER, posted by Jeroen on November 4, 2005, at 12:12:04
Hi J
>can i take 2000 IU mixed tocepherol
Yes, give it a try. Hope it helps :-)
Ed
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 7, 2005, at 8:37:01
In reply to TO LARRY HOOVER, posted by Jeroen on November 4, 2005, at 12:12:04
> can i take 2000 IU mixed tocepherol
>
> ill take it 2 months at mornings, hoping my TD will improveAbsolutely, yes.
Also ensure that you get adequate vitamin C. About 1000 mg/day supplement. Vitamin C works hand in hand with vitamin E.
Lar
Posted by Jeroen on November 14, 2005, at 8:06:22
In reply to Re: TO LARRY HOOVER » Jeroen, posted by Larry Hoover on November 7, 2005, at 8:37:01
hi, there was a lame therapy so i left the hospital, ill return in a few hours
i started today with 2000 IU at morning, i think the uncontrolled eye movements are worser
i think... btw my pannick attacks are gone, but too much stress will trigger one.
Posted by ed_uk on November 14, 2005, at 14:20:53
In reply to TO ED UK AND PHILIPPA, posted by Jeroen on November 14, 2005, at 8:06:22
Hi J
>i think the uncontrolled eye movements are worser
Do you think the stress is making them worse?
Ed
Posted by Phillipa on November 14, 2005, at 20:34:31
In reply to Re: TO ED UK AND PHILIPPA » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on November 14, 2005, at 14:20:53
Jeroen, is the E helping you? And being in a hospital can make the outside world very scarey so as Ed said you're stress could be higher. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Jeroen on November 15, 2005, at 11:15:07
In reply to Re: TO ED UK AND PHILIPPA » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on November 14, 2005, at 14:20:53
im home, this is day 2 i take Vitamin E 2000 IU, i do notice a sexual side effect, strange
it will work in maybe 3 weeks or 2 months what u think?
Posted by ed_uk on November 15, 2005, at 15:48:32
In reply to Re: TO ED UK AND PHILIPPA, posted by Jeroen on November 15, 2005, at 11:15:07
Hi J,
What sort of sexual side effect?
>it will work in maybe 3 weeks or 2 months what u think?
Yes, I think it might work gradually over several months.
Ed
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