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Posted by jparsell82 on October 31, 2005, at 15:17:43
Hi everyone. I just got a newsletter today from xxx just adding Gamibetal to their store. I haven't tried it myself yet. You can check the link below for it and I posted the newsletter below too.
xxx
Aminohydroxybutyric Acid - The alternative GHBAminohydroxybutyric acid is otherwise known as GABOB, Gamibetal or
Buxamin and is related to GABA and also to GHB.This rarely found supplement has been in published literature since the
1960's, and its uses in Europe have been for its anti-anxiety,
anti-stress purposes and also for its anti-convulsion actions in Epilepsy.What is very interesting is that since the 1980's it has been known
that Aminohydroxybutyric acid can increase growth hormone levels. One
study, (Melis GB et al: Dose related effects of gamma-amino beta-hydroxy
butyric acid [GABOB] infusion on growth hormone secretion in normal
women: J. Endocrinol. Invest., 1982 Mar-Apr;5(2):101-6) found that when
women were infused with 100 mg. over 20-minutes that there was a
significant rise in HGH levels over their controls. This helped back up an
earlier study, (Fioretti P. et al. Gamma-amino-beta-hydroxy butyric acid
stimulates Prolactin and growth hormone release in normal women. J. Clin.
Endocrinol. Metab. 1978 Dec;47(6):1336-40), that also suggested that 100
mg. of aminohydroxybutyric acid i.v. increased HGH and Prolactin
levels.Significant improvements to HGH, Prolactin and cortisol levels have
also been noted in men who were injected with 300 mg. of
Aminohydroxybutyric acid, (Takahara J et al. Stimulatory effects of
gamma-aminohydroxybutyric acid [GABOB] on growth hormone, Prolactin and cortisol release in
man).What makes all this significant is that these agonist (stimulatory)
effects of Aminohydroxybutyric acid are very similar to GHB, and whilst
the injectable versions have induced unconsciousness at dosages over 150
mg., it does not appear to do so when used orally, (this was the main
reason why GHB banned as it can induce unconsciousness when taken orally
and was used by nefarious males for date-rape).Therefore, this is why we believe that as Aminohydroxybutyric acid is
related to GHB and shares many of its properties; it is in fact the
closest legal molecule/ alternative available.There are no reported side effects at normal dosages. At high dosages
some slight drowsiness may occur, therefore caution is advised to be in
a safe environment, (i.e. not driving or operating machinery etc).There are no specific contraindications listed, although concurrent use
with other GABA supplements and agonists (i.e. Valium) is not advised
and would be best considered only under a physician's guidance.Dosages for anti-anxiety/ stress would be in the region of 250 mg. once
or twice daily. For epilepsy 500 mg. twice daily. For HGH release,
(whilst this does still remain “experimental” in oral form), in the region
of 500 mg. to 1000 mg. prior to bedtime.
Posted by willyee on October 31, 2005, at 17:10:56
In reply to Gamibetal for Anxiety, posted by jparsell82 on October 31, 2005, at 15:17:43
Best place to go is to the ghb group itself and run a search in its arhcive.I did,on the google GHB group and this product was mentioned but given thumbs down.
Right now the only two LEGAL GHB substitues that really get respect are Phenibutt and Picmilion,both forms of gaba that quickly get to the brain.
I have used both,i dont believe they are as nice as ghb,but they definatly work,meaning u know uu took them.
GHB is in a class of its own,the only thing i can say comes close is the first feel of Nuerontion when it works the first time,and a small mix of beer on a stimulant.
GHB is quite something.Well was i guess
Posted by jparsell82 on October 31, 2005, at 19:01:56
In reply to Re: Gamibetal for Anxiety, posted by willyee on October 31, 2005, at 17:10:56
Hey, yeah I've tried Phenibut and Picamilon before.... didn't do much for me. I've tried the stim + benzo combo before also. Unfortunately, I've never gotten the chance to try Ghb and probably never will. I'm actually taking some Neurontin right now. Surprisingly, I find it much cleaner for me than xanax or klonopin. It's less mentally dulling and sedating for me plus it doesn't depress me like klonopin. I'm thinking about trying ritalin with the neurontin.... wonder how that would work? I've recently tried adderall with it but didn't like it too much. Anyways, thanks for the input,
Josh
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 2, 2005, at 21:39:06
In reply to Gamibetal for Anxiety, posted by jparsell82 on October 31, 2005, at 15:17:43
> Hi everyone. I just got a newsletter today from xxx
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Posted by Tom Twilight on November 8, 2005, at 23:26:11
Hey everyone
I got the information about Gamibetal from a post by someone called jparsell82 on the alternative board.
I'm always on the look out GABA analogues and GHB like substances that cross the blood brain barrier.
I generally find them more helpful than benzo's for my social anxiety, which I find difficult to treat.
The best GABA analogue I've found is Phenibute, but it does have drawbacks.
Does anyone have any experience of info about Gamibetal?It should be noted that I'm not stating that GHB is 'safe', only that I found it helpful
Here is the info that jparsell82 posted
Posted by jparsell82 on October 31, 2005, at 15:17:43
Aminohydroxybutyric acid is otherwise known as GABOB, Gamibetal or
Buxamin and is related to GABA and also to GHB.This rarely found supplement has been in published literature since the
1960's, and its uses in Europe have been for its anti-anxiety,
anti-stress purposes and also for its anti-convulsion actions in Epilepsy.What is very interesting is that since the 1980's it has been known
that Aminohydroxybutyric acid can increase growth hormone levels. One
study, (Melis GB et al: Dose related effects of gamma-amino beta-hydroxy
butyric acid [GABOB] infusion on growth hormone secretion in normal
women: J. Endocrinol. Invest., 1982 Mar-Apr;5(2):101-6) found that when
women were infused with 100 mg. over 20-minutes that there was a
significant rise in HGH levels over their controls. This helped back up an
earlier study, (Fioretti P. et al. Gamma-amino-beta-hydroxy butyric acid
stimulates Prolactin and growth hormone release in normal women. J. Clin.
Endocrinol. Metab. 1978 Dec;47(6):1336-40), that also suggested that 100
mg. of aminohydroxybutyric acid i.v. increased HGH and Prolactin
levels.Significant improvements to HGH, Prolactin and cortisol levels have
also been noted in men who were injected with 300 mg. of
Aminohydroxybutyric acid, (Takahara J et al. Stimulatory effects of
gamma-aminohydroxybutyric acid [GABOB] on growth hormone, Prolactin and cortisol release in
man).What makes all this significant is that these agonist (stimulatory)
effects of Aminohydroxybutyric acid are very similar to GHB, and whilst
the injectable versions have induced unconsciousness at dosages over 150
mg., it does not appear to do so when used orally, (this was the main
reason why GHB banned as it can induce unconsciousness when taken orally
and was used by nefarious males for date-rape).Therefore, this is why we believe that as Aminohydroxybutyric acid is
related to GHB and shares many of its properties; it is in fact the
closest legal molecule/ alternative available.There are no reported side effects at normal dosages. At high dosages
some slight drowsiness may occur, therefore caution is advised to be in
a safe environment, (i.e. not driving or operating machinery etc).There are no specific contraindications listed, although concurrent use
with other GABA supplements and agonists (i.e. Valium) is not advised
and would be best considered only under a physician's guidance.Dosages for anti-anxiety/ stress would be in the region of 250 mg. once
or twice daily. For epilepsy 500 mg. twice daily. For HGH release,
(whilst this does still remain “experimental” in oral form), in the region
of 500 mg. to 1000 mg. prior to bedtime.
Posted by lunesta on November 8, 2005, at 23:26:11
In reply to Gamibetal-Possible GHB replacement?, posted by Tom Twilight on November 7, 2005, at 16:55:29
If this helps, I am prescribed Xyrem (GHB) but dont like it, but know its effects. I also have used nearly all benzos and neurontin and lyrica. Also phenibut, and probably any gaba related thing i can think of!
Lyrica is the closest to GHB, but its much cooler. It is a super super neurontin, very werid effects.
I hate neurontin personally though, but Lyrica , although controlled (its our btw in the US now) is def the best out of all available meds, including benzos. Mix it with a benzo and its even better but this is dangerous pharmacology, I mean, abuseable a lot like that. It feels too good, which is dangerous.
I am glad Lyrica (pregabalin) is controlled but it def is the coolest unique thing for any anxiety, pain, etc..
Posted by djmmm on November 8, 2005, at 23:26:11
In reply to Gamibetal-Possible GHB replacement?, posted by Tom Twilight on November 7, 2005, at 16:55:29
> Hey everyone
>
> I got the information about Gamibetal from a post by someone called jparsell82 on the alternative board.
>
> I'm always on the look out GABA analogues and GHB like substances that cross the blood brain barrier.
> I generally find them more helpful than benzo's for my social anxiety, which I find difficult to treat.
> The best GABA analogue I've found is Phenibute, but it does have drawbacks.
> Does anyone have any experience of info about Gamibetal?
>
> It should be noted that I'm not stating that GHB is 'safe', only that I found it helpful
>
> Here is the info that jparsell82 posted
>
> Posted by jparsell82 on October 31, 2005, at 15:17:43
>
> Aminohydroxybutyric acid is otherwise known as GABOB, Gamibetal or
> Buxamin and is related to GABA and also to GHB.
>
> This rarely found supplement has been in published literature since the
> 1960's, and its uses in Europe have been for its anti-anxiety,
> anti-stress purposes and also for its anti-convulsion actions in Epilepsy.
>
> What is very interesting is that since the 1980's it has been known
> that Aminohydroxybutyric acid can increase growth hormone levels. One
> study, (Melis GB et al: Dose related effects of gamma-amino beta-hydroxy
> butyric acid [GABOB] infusion on growth hormone secretion in normal
> women: J. Endocrinol. Invest., 1982 Mar-Apr;5(2):101-6) found that when
> women were infused with 100 mg. over 20-minutes that there was a
> significant rise in HGH levels over their controls. This helped back up an
> earlier study, (Fioretti P. et al. Gamma-amino-beta-hydroxy butyric acid
> stimulates Prolactin and growth hormone release in normal women. J. Clin.
> Endocrinol. Metab. 1978 Dec;47(6):1336-40), that also suggested that 100
> mg. of aminohydroxybutyric acid i.v. increased HGH and Prolactin
> levels.
>
> Significant improvements to HGH, Prolactin and cortisol levels have
> also been noted in men who were injected with 300 mg. of
> Aminohydroxybutyric acid, (Takahara J et al. Stimulatory effects of
> gamma-aminohydroxybutyric acid [GABOB] on growth hormone, Prolactin and cortisol release in
> man).
>
> What makes all this significant is that these agonist (stimulatory)
> effects of Aminohydroxybutyric acid are very similar to GHB, and whilst
> the injectable versions have induced unconsciousness at dosages over 150
> mg., it does not appear to do so when used orally, (this was the main
> reason why GHB banned as it can induce unconsciousness when taken orally
> and was used by nefarious males for date-rape).
>
> Therefore, this is why we believe that as Aminohydroxybutyric acid is
> related to GHB and shares many of its properties; it is in fact the
> closest legal molecule/ alternative available.
>
> There are no reported side effects at normal dosages. At high dosages
> some slight drowsiness may occur, therefore caution is advised to be in
> a safe environment, (i.e. not driving or operating machinery etc).
>
> There are no specific contraindications listed, although concurrent use
> with other GABA supplements and agonists (i.e. Valium) is not advised
> and would be best considered only under a physician's guidance.
>
> Dosages for anti-anxiety/ stress would be in the region of 250 mg. once
> or twice daily. For epilepsy 500 mg. twice daily. For HGH release,
> (whilst this does still remain “experimental” in oral form), in the region
> of 500 mg. to 1000 mg. prior to bedtime.
>I tried aminohydroxybutyric acid. It's one of 3 ingredients in the supplement Gamalate B6 (GABOB, GABA, B6) It didn't do much of anything..at any dose..
Posted by willyee on November 8, 2005, at 23:26:11
In reply to Gamibetal-Possible GHB replacement?, posted by Tom Twilight on November 7, 2005, at 16:55:29
Im surprised you find phenibut postive,it almost killed me recently,due to its late onset i had already given on it kicking in,and when it did almost a day later,id taken my meds and was expecting it,i swear that stuff made me believe i was gonna die.
As far as a ghb subsitute,have u looked into gabitril? I know some die hard ghb users whether they use it for good or bad reasons,nevertheless there is no buzz in the ghb community of any substitute and trust me it would be known in a heart beat.
You just have the analogs 1,4 and gbl.Both like ghb for the average joe are one thousand times illegal and prescuted heavly,which i dont agree with,but is the case.
Phenibutt and picamilion are what most people will say are closest to a substitute,lot of people never tried gababtril since its not used much,i have so i can throw that in as well,it has more of a ghb feel than nuerontion.
Gababob i heard is a worthless supplement.
Posted by Tom Twilight on November 8, 2005, at 23:26:11
In reply to Re: Gamibetal-Possible GHB replacement?, posted by lunesta on November 7, 2005, at 17:48:25
This is an interesting debate because it shows how different we all are.
Lunesta really like Pregabalin/Lyrica
I personally don't like Pregabalin very much, it always makes me feel somewhat hyper and out of control.I'm supprised at some of the Negative responses about Gamibetal
I suspect the reason that its not popular is probably that its just so obscure, I've only just heard of it myself.
I know that Gamilate B6 is supposed to be bad, Is Gambitelal really one of the ingriedients?
Also sorry you had such a bad experience with Phenibut Willyee, to much is certainly unpleasant!
Posted by willyee on November 8, 2005, at 23:26:11
In reply to Re: Gamibetal-Possible GHB replacement?, posted by Tom Twilight on November 8, 2005, at 15:13:52
For me for whatever reason phenibuts onset is delayed tremondously......im talking a day almost.Not sure if this was common for everyone,or if the fact im on a MAOI delayed it,or maybe even contradicted it.
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