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Posted by River1924 on April 22, 2006, at 2:26:34
Anyone used this substance to dream more? River.
Posted by verne on April 22, 2006, at 11:39:47
In reply to Calea Zacatechichi or dream herb, posted by River1924 on April 22, 2006, at 2:26:34
I tried it a couple times and didn't notice much except mild sedation. I have a whole pharmacy of "entho-botanicals" like Calea Z, lotus, california poppy, calamus root, vervain, and so forth.
I usually regret it when I recommission my water pipe and start experimenting with that stuff.
Verne
Posted by robot on April 23, 2006, at 15:26:59
In reply to Calea Zacatechichi or dream herb, posted by River1924 on April 22, 2006, at 2:26:34
I havent tried that, but I just took the mushroom Reishi for the first time; New Chapter brand (the good stuff). I took it because its supposed to give your analytical mind a rest and open to more intuitive thinking.
I didnt notice anything all day until I went to bed and my dreams were very powerful. Unfortunately some of them were also disturbing but I think that more has to do with my state of mind than the Reishi. It made me sleep less soundly the first half of the night but more soundly after that, it seemed.
Im going to try it again now that I know it can intensify dreaming, probably with melatonin and b6.
I would like to have more dreams (and lucid dreams) too. Is there anything
youve tried that works?
Posted by River1924 on April 24, 2006, at 0:30:48
In reply to Re: Calea Zacatechichi or dream herb, posted by robot on April 23, 2006, at 15:26:59
Sometimes when I've begun a med or stopped a med, I've dreamed for a day or two...
But I don't dream. I've been treated for sleep apnea but I dont' find sleep real refreshing. Either I spend most of my time in non-REM states, or my sleep is fragmented. I don't know.
I'd just like to dream. When I do, I tend to feel better during the day.
Later, River.
Posted by robot on April 24, 2006, at 16:27:44
In reply to Re: Calea Zacatechichi or dream herb » robot, posted by River1924 on April 24, 2006, at 0:30:48
I wish I had some good advise, but I dont know much about that. YOu might try taking whey protein powder before bed.
Gotu kola seems to help me sleep, too, though I dont know if it would deepen sleep or not, but you might try it.> Sometimes when I've begun a med or stopped a med, I've dreamed for a day or two...
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> But I don't dream. I've been treated for sleep apnea but I dont' find sleep real refreshing. Either I spend most of my time in non-REM states, or my sleep is fragmented. I don't know.
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> I'd just like to dream. When I do, I tend to feel better during the day.
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> Later, River.
Posted by verne on April 24, 2006, at 17:08:45
In reply to Re: Calea Zacatechichi or dream herb, posted by robot on April 24, 2006, at 16:27:44
Ayurvedic medicine recommends smoking Gota Kola for better meditations. This could translate into better sleep and dreaming. Opens up the sixth chakra.
I'm thinking of putting together some sort of smoke mixture this evening and may use Gotu Kola as a kind of base. Gotu Kola has never done much for me but many around here swear by it.
Have you tried Damiana? It works like a sedative for me - especially when smoked. It is very smokable - I use a water pipe. It also has some stimulating qualities (aphrodiasiac) that might promote dreaming.
I'm also experimenting with chinese herbs like albizzia. I'm still not sure how to best use them. The albizzia flowers are too cloyingly sweet (in tea) so I'm thinking about adding jasmine, rose petals, peppermint, and other fragrant herbs to mask the taste.
I ingested 5 grams of albizzia bark powder and noticed nothing remarkable - perhaps, a slight headache - and it's supposed to be calming.
Sorry about the rambling. I have jars of stuff I haven't even tried yet.
verne
Posted by River1924 on April 24, 2006, at 22:21:24
In reply to Re: Calea Zacatechichi or dream herb, posted by verne on April 24, 2006, at 17:08:45
Well, I don't smoke... anything.
Sometimes I feel like the odd man out on these boards. I've never had a problem sleeping. I'm anxious but I don't really "feel" it. It doesn't effect my sleep. I just act lizard-like... running away and hiding if someone drives up. On anxiety meds, I don't do that.
Insomniacs will drop into REM sleep even while awake (microsleeps.) Or they will hullucinate right before waking or prior to falling asleep. Anxious or depressive Insomniacs need REM sleep and fall into it very easily. Usually those are nightmares.
I just want to dream, even a flutter, a vague anything. But no. I have excessive daytime sleepiness (which could be a very mild form of narcolepsy but narcoleptics dream alot so I doubt if that is the correct explanation for my sleepiness or dreamlessness.)
I deal with life by sleeping... but I never dream. It is kinda sad. I know it shouldn't be so important but it is for whatever reason.
River.
Thanks.
Posted by verne on April 24, 2006, at 23:31:52
In reply to Re: Calea Zacatechichi or dream herb » verne, posted by River1924 on April 24, 2006, at 22:21:24
River,
I sleep a lot too. My escape is sleep. I'm hoping to try Emsam some day since it's recommended for atypical depression.
But back to dreams. Have you tried the brain supplements like gingko, 5htp, S-ame, and PS? S-ame is powerful stuff and the promise of a fitful night, in and out of dreams for me. The last time I woke up *paralyzed* half awake, half alseep, I had taken a hefty dose of S-ame. I couldn't move, and my teeth were clenched so hard my jaw hurt the next day.
Although I had a bad experience with S-ame, your's could be positive. There's bound to be something that will help you recall dreams.
I've tried just about everything at iamshaman.com and came away mostly disappointed. I remember Daggia, which is supposed to be a legal pot subsitute, was pure junk. The different lotuses had potential but only when smoked. Kanna and Kratom were awful. $20.00 worth of Kanna gave me a brief buzz and Kratom left me with a 3-day headache, nausea, and vertigo. Some of this stuff is just poisonous.
Calamus Root is supposed to give one visions and aid in sleep. I could tell it stimulated the brain and eyes; too much and I felt pressure in the head. Anyway nothing remarkable to report but some people like to take it when they meditate.
You might widen your search to include the "visionary" herbs. A good reference book I keep handy is, "The Yoga of Herbs".
Verne
Posted by River1924 on April 25, 2006, at 0:23:27
In reply to Re: Calea Zacatechichi or dream herb, posted by verne on April 24, 2006, at 23:31:52
I take B vitamins since I take meds. Many med up one's requirements so I take a fairly signifigant amount of vitamins, etc.
Ginko does nothing.
5-HT or just plain ol' tryptophan does nothing for me.
PS doesn't really seem to do much (although I think it is probably good to take.)
I wish I could take SAM-e. It is universally and scientifically accepted as good for depression, liver problems, arthritis, and general inflammation and doesn't seem to have side-effects. But I can't stand it. It gives me horrendous headaches. My anxiety increases and each dose ratchets up my headaches... three days is the most I've taken or could tolerate without removing my head.
I'm glad to hear of your "experimentations." I'm quite cash poor now and I don't think I'll try that stuff (at least this year.)Thanks,River.
Posted by Declan on April 30, 2006, at 18:24:12
In reply to Re: Calea Zacatechichi or dream herb, posted by verne on April 24, 2006, at 23:31:52
I wish I could find something to keep me in deep sleep longer. And dream longer too. I wake with a start, or am dragged out of deep sleep into a light fluttery unrestful half dreaming phase. My dr suggested pyridoxal5phosphate for making dreams more vivid.
Opiates help you dream. Remeron and cyproheptadine too (at least they help you sleep), but I'd rather not take them; I feel so terrible once I'm awake. There's plenty of things will give you nightmares (nutmeg). Hmmmm. SAMe gives me insomnia.
Random reflections.
Declan
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