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Posted by heaven help me on May 22, 2006, at 21:58:15
Hi, I've been taking the Magnesium Phosphate for about a week now. I find it VERY calming and wonderful. However, the semi-constipated state I was in (likely due to my current regime) is now worse! And I thought the Mag would cause the opposite. Oh, I'm so embarassed....
Posted by nolvas on May 23, 2006, at 17:47:09
In reply to ahem...Mangensium and constipation??? Larry, help, posted by heaven help me on May 22, 2006, at 21:58:15
I'm interested to know what made you try the Phosphate version? I have tried chelated magnesium and it didn't do anything except work as a laxative. Yesterday I got some Magnesium Citrate I took 400mgs today, I was like a different person today. The effect didn't wear off until the evening where the strange agitation I've been getting came back but not so vicious.
I'm really hoping this calming effect will work everytime I take Magnesium Citrate. I haven't noticed a laxative effect either or any effects on the bowels to be blunt!
I'm just concerned where the huge agitation is coming from, and I suppose worried that taking Magnesium is masking some underlying problem. However I have suffered from Panic Disorder for as long as I can remember, so worry is inherent in my behaviour. As long as it keeps working I will be a lot happier :) Early days yet though. Lots of supplements, meds let you down before you find something that works, and when you do you know about it, because the difference can be drastic.
Posted by LOOPS on May 23, 2006, at 19:34:39
In reply to Re: ahem...Mangensium and constipation??? Larry,, posted by nolvas on May 23, 2006, at 17:47:09
Hi -
I've never taken mag phosphate, but I seem to be having goodish results with dolomite tablets - and this is supposed to be totally unabsorbable form of magnesium ???
Posted by heaven help me on May 23, 2006, at 20:29:03
In reply to Re: ahem...Mangensium and constipation??? Larry,, posted by LOOPS on May 23, 2006, at 19:34:39
So, everything changed as of today. Now I would agree that Magnesium can induce diarrhea. Sorry, gotta go.
M
:)
Posted by heaven help me on May 23, 2006, at 20:48:25
In reply to Re: ahem...Mangensium and constipation??? Larry,, posted by nolvas on May 23, 2006, at 17:47:09
Um, I took the phosphate version because I was on the psycho-babble sight and Magnesium Citrate was suggested, and I happened to have some Phosphate form in my house from a homeopathic kit, so I tried it, and it was nearly instant calm. That's why I use it. It's only been a week but It still gives the calm...
Posted by nolvas on May 24, 2006, at 15:27:17
In reply to why phosphate, posted by heaven help me on May 23, 2006, at 20:48:25
How much are you taking? I'm taking 400mg as I think I mentioned. It is calming definitely. I've tried so many supplements, this one does have a noticable calming effect. It's not quite enough to wipe out the anxiety for me but I value it's calming effect all the same.
I'm going to give Taurine, Inositol and Magnesium a long trial since there's pretty much nothing else alternative that I can try. All three have been studied for their anxiolytic effects. Taurine is a limted anxiolytic but everything helps.
I have never tried any meds apart from SSRIs and they put me off meds for life. I have terrible dizziness from the anxiety and panic and that's what I'm phobic of. Magnesium takes away some of the tension from my muscles so I notice I'm tensing up and am trying to be concious of relaxing my muscles more.
I don't envy anyone that has severe panic/anxiety and like me I'm sure they try anything that sounds promising. I'm now just looking at studied alternatives to try and improve my chances of getting a good combination.
Posted by heaven help me on May 24, 2006, at 15:45:04
In reply to Re: why phosphate, posted by nolvas on May 24, 2006, at 15:27:17
What I take is a homeopathic tissue salt called magnesium phosphate. It comes in differnt strengths. I take two 6x tablets anytime I start to get the jitters. Usually about twice a day. It has only been a little over a week doing this (I also take Geodon and Lamictal) but so far, so good
blessings
mary
Posted by nolvas on May 24, 2006, at 15:50:58
In reply to Re: why phosphate, posted by heaven help me on May 24, 2006, at 15:45:04
Thanks for the quick reply. I wish you well and hope that it continues to work well for you :)
Posted by crabwalk on May 26, 2006, at 12:12:17
In reply to Re: why phosphate, posted by nolvas on May 24, 2006, at 15:50:58
Anyone have an idea which is the best? I started taking citrate yesterday. It definitely has an effect but unfortunately has done absolutely nothing for my insomnia. I also take ambien for that, but like every night I continue to wake up 4 hours after being knocked out. Strangely, so far the Mg has also constipated me and reduced my appetite a little bit. Maybe i'm taking too much? (1 400mg in the morning and one before bed). Thanks for any advice.
Posted by nolvas on May 26, 2006, at 17:38:15
In reply to citrate vs. glycinate vs. taurate, posted by crabwalk on May 26, 2006, at 12:12:17
I'm taking 400mg Magnesium Citrate a day. Takes maybe 2 hours or so to kick in after you have taken it. Does have a calming effect. I haven't tried Glycinate or Taurate. I have tried various chelated forms, and citrate seems to work best so far.
I'm vegetarian, so I'm wondering if I'm getting enough calcium. I don't drink much milk, and whether I should supplement it with the Magnesium. I feel like I need more than 400mg although I'm taking things easy and sticking with 400mg a day to give it a proper trial.
I'm less anxious taking the Magnesium although it doesn't prevent panic attacks, seems to lessen or prevent generalised anxiety though which is very helpful.
Posted by heaven help me on May 27, 2006, at 0:05:38
In reply to Re: citrate vs. glycinate vs. taurate, posted by nolvas on May 26, 2006, at 17:38:15
I saw my Dr. yesterday and told him I had started to take Magnesium Phosphate. (This is a HOMEOPATHIC form of Magnesium - NOT a citrate or chelate or anything-ate. It comes in the homeopathic section of the health food store. My dr. freaked and said he was "washing his hands of this one". He said that if you mess around with Magnesium without CAREFULLY monitoring your electrolytes it can quickly lead to some serious side effects including sudden heart failure. Anyway, because I am taking a HOMEOPATHIC (which is really just a speck of the stuff in a sugar pill)I feel ok to keep on (and WILL have my electrolytes monitored). If it was in any other form I would be afraid. Larry, what do you think?
Just trying to pass along the caution.
blessings
mary
Posted by nolvas on May 27, 2006, at 6:02:34
In reply to Dr.s opinion on Magnesium..., posted by heaven help me on May 27, 2006, at 0:05:38
I've found these studies regarding electrolyte balance, congestive heart failure and Magnesium. If anything it seems to be beneficial.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1414894&dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1507935&dopt=Abstract
Posted by LOOPS on May 27, 2006, at 9:02:01
In reply to Re: Dr.s opinion on Magnesium..., posted by nolvas on May 27, 2006, at 6:02:34
WEll from my recent experience I would be very careful with just taking magnesium. I think the problem is that everyone is different - and whilst most people if not all will benefit from extra magnesium, some people (like me) seem to need both calcium and magnesium. I read on the acu-cell site that IF magnesium levels go above calcium or something like that - then there will be a calcium deficiency.
I think if you start suffering arrythmias (like me) it is best to add back in calcium. The last couple of days/week I've been doing this and the arrythmias have almost completely stopped. If I take magnesium alone again, I can be sure they will be back with a vengeance.
YMMV.
Loops
Posted by MidnightBlue on May 28, 2006, at 20:16:50
In reply to Dr.s opinion on Magnesium..., posted by heaven help me on May 27, 2006, at 0:05:38
My doctor told me to take magnesium. Didn't seem to care what form and would not say how much! Not a pdoc though.
My sis's doc told her to take 1000 mg of magnesium to prevent migraines. I only take 250 mg.
MidnightBlue
Posted by heaven help me on May 28, 2006, at 22:26:15
In reply to Re: Dr.s opinion on Magnesium..., posted by nolvas on May 27, 2006, at 6:02:34
I read both documents and it sounds to me like the greater concern is too little Magnesium, not too much Magnesium...and that a proper balance be maintained between Mag, Calcium and Potassium. Again, what I take is a homepathic version which apparantly (according to my homeopathic MD)you can never take too much of. Don't even have child safety caps on the bottles.
I am interested in anything more anyone finds out
blessings
mary
Posted by Larry Hoover on June 6, 2006, at 8:39:57
In reply to ahem...Mangensium and constipation??? Larry, help, posted by heaven help me on May 22, 2006, at 21:58:15
> Hi, I've been taking the Magnesium Phosphate for about a week now. I find it VERY calming and wonderful. However, the semi-constipated state I was in (likely due to my current regime) is now worse! And I thought the Mag would cause the opposite. Oh, I'm so embarassed....
It's from the phosphate. Proof positive that you've messed up your electrolytes with it. Your body is now dependent on your "laxative" for phosphate, and it will suck every molecule of water out of your gut that it can get, to get enough phosphate that is dissolved in that water.
I'm sorry, but you're going to have to work through this.
Stop the phosphate.
Prunes.
3 large prunes, three times a day, until you don't need them.
In the meantime, you would likely benefit from a stool softener (docusate), and/or glycerine suppositories. Talk to your pharmacist.
Do **not** use psyllium fiber (Metamucil). Prunes.
I am on massive opiate doses for pain. I am a constipation expert, now. I nearly died, Christmas night, from a fecal impaction. I wonder what they put on the death certificate, if that is the cause. Heart failure?
Trust me, please.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on June 6, 2006, at 8:40:46
In reply to Re: ahem...Mangensium and constipation??? Larry,, posted by LOOPS on May 23, 2006, at 19:34:39
> Hi -
>
> I've never taken mag phosphate, but I seem to be having goodish results with dolomite tablets - and this is supposed to be totally unabsorbable form of magnesium ???Not totally unabsorbable. Acid dependent.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on June 6, 2006, at 8:44:06
In reply to Dr.s opinion on Magnesium..., posted by heaven help me on May 27, 2006, at 0:05:38
> I saw my Dr. yesterday and told him I had started to take Magnesium Phosphate. (This is a HOMEOPATHIC form of Magnesium -
I wish homeopathy a happy life, somewhere else.
I do not believe the premise, and I cannot support the outcome as being related to the premise. That said, and I know I am contradicting myself, homeopathy works in veterinary practise. It is awfully hard to explain that.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on June 6, 2006, at 8:46:00
In reply to Re: Dr.s opinion on Magnesium...nolvas, posted by heaven help me on May 28, 2006, at 22:26:15
> I read both documents and it sounds to me like the greater concern is too little Magnesium, not too much Magnesium...and that a proper balance be maintained between Mag, Calcium and Potassium. Again, what I take is a homepathic version which apparantly (according to my homeopathic MD)you can never take too much of. Don't even have child safety caps on the bottles.
> I am interested in anything more anyone finds out
> blessings
> maryIf your kidneys are working right, and you get too much magnesium, then your urine gets all magnesiumy. The thing is, there's nothing your kidneys can do to fix getting too little of it.
Lar
Posted by dessbee on June 8, 2006, at 9:43:45
In reply to Re: Dr.s opinion on Magnesium...nolvas, posted by heaven help me on May 28, 2006, at 22:26:15
Homepathic supplements are extremely diluted. Your constipation is caused by something else. Are you taking calcium supplements?
Posted by LOOPS on June 8, 2006, at 13:08:58
In reply to Re: homepathic magnesium = zero magnesium » heaven help me, posted by dessbee on June 8, 2006, at 9:43:45
yeah - my one recommendation for anyone with constipation is bogstandard magnesium tablets - even if they don't work for everyone's depression/anxiety they ALWAYS work to unblock!
Too much calcium and too much cheese block me up.
Loops
Posted by heaven help me on June 8, 2006, at 22:28:47
In reply to Re: ahem...Mangensium and constipation??? Larry, help » heaven help me, posted by Larry Hoover on June 6, 2006, at 8:39:57
Larry, I haven't finished the rest of the posts yet but did you get to the one where I tell you that it is NOT constipating anymore? That was just for the first couple days and I haven't been on this board since then. Now it seems I have some nicely regular movement and it is (sorry tobe gross), soft, not blobls like it used to be. I thought things were going pretty well on the Mag Phos (HOMEOPATHIC). So waht do you think now? I will read on, maybe you have already answered me.
blessings
mary
Posted by Larry Hoover on June 9, 2006, at 12:03:19
In reply to Laaaaarrrrrryyyyy!!!!!..... » Larry Hoover, posted by heaven help me on June 8, 2006, at 22:28:47
> Larry, I haven't finished the rest of the posts yet but did you get to the one where I tell you that it is NOT constipating anymore? That was just for the first couple days and I haven't been on this board since then. Now it seems I have some nicely regular movement and it is (sorry tobe gross), soft, not blobls like it used to be. I thought things were going pretty well on the Mag Phos (HOMEOPATHIC). So waht do you think now? I will read on, maybe you have already answered me.
> blessings
> maryMary, you didn't even mention you were using the homeopathic dose, at first. All I said was assuming that you were taking the dose of magnesium we were talking about, i.e. 200-300 mg elemental magnesium.
So, everything I said has little to do with what you're doing. I don't have a lot of faith in homeopathy. I'm skeptic. I tried it, and it did bupkiss. For me. Your body may vary.
Lar
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