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Posted by over 55 on July 10, 2006, at 8:36:35
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too. (nm) » Kath, posted by JLx on July 9, 2006, at 14:38:32
JLX:
Good for you!! Sometimes we just need a "jolt from the past" to get us started again. I was sitting on my porch Sunday morning "ruminating" over a perceived "slight" I'd received and started bringing up "old pain" along with it and thought "Why do you want to spend the day suffering over this stuff?" Then I did two quick series of taps and went on with my day, pain free. Sometimes, we just forget what works!!! So, glad to have helped and keep up the good work in the weight loss....I am also "there"....
Posted by kath on July 14, 2006, at 21:57:30
In reply to Re: Ouch!!!!!!!! » Kath, posted by over 55 on July 5, 2006, at 9:16:47
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> Hi Kath,
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> Now I am really interested. The easier, the better. It is amazing how even if something does work, my memory is short enough that I will reach for a pill instead of just tapping!! Or I will "suffer" for awhile before rememebering to "tap". I am definitely going to look at TAT and try it. I use the easy method of EFT. The idea for getting to the sourse from what I have gathered from reading the Newsletter is to "tap" on new issues as they come up when dealing with any emotional issue. I usually just want the bad feelings to just go away so don't focus on "listening" to anything coming up, just concentrate on the tapping to get it over with. I just need to remember to tap and not suffer!! Hope you have a great holiday and will chat again soon. thanks for the info.Hi - I'm back! That's interesting. Lately, I have been writing in a journal when I wake up.
Actually, often I wake up feeling crappy from dreams and like you, I want to GET RID OF THE BAD FEELINGS as darned quickly as possible, thank you very much!
While I was away, I'd do TAT right when I woke up - without words - just with the intention of getting rid of the feeling from my dreams. Then, when I felt freed of that, I'd write in my journal - just 'stream of consciousness' - whatever I was thinking went down on the paper.
What happened was really interesting. If something was bothering me I'd put a hyphen at the edge of the page & write it - for ex.....
- worrying about how I'll get all that sorting done
Then I'd either do TAT or tap & that would dissolve. Then I'd write whatever else came into my mind & sometimes emotions would come up or I'd understand WHY I was upset about something, etc.
I have had the tendency to just do the TAT hold to 'get rid of' whatever yukky feeling I have, but a few days ago I realized that if I could 'handle' feeling the feeling & maybe thinking about it, or understanding why I felt like that, etc, it might actually be better for me. I'm very much like you in that I want to NOT feel uncomfortable stuff.
Lately I'm trying to be less panicky about feeling 'uncomfortable' things. I'm trying to realize that the total spectrum of feelings from joy down to despair, are part of being alive & I don't need to panic about uncomfortable feelings. I can have them & I WILL be okay.
That said, I AM glad of TAT & EFT. I think knowing that I CAN get rid of yukky feelings helps me to be more comfortable in feeling them. Almost like if I had a bottle of aspirin on the table, I might be more calm having a headache & waiting to see if I decide I WILL to take an aspirin.
And THAT being said - I HAVE taken a valerian pill for the last few days to help me cope with my feelings regarding a situation that I had to deal with when I returned home! I'll go into detail about THAT on the Social Board.
I've 'tapped' & done the TAT hold about this thing a few times, but don't want to do my usual of not being in the present & in my feelings, as this is probably important for me to feel.
If you want to know about that, as I said, I'll post it at Social. Not sure if I'll do it right now, as it's 11 pm-ish.
I'm delighted that people are interested, as I find these amazing tools!
:-)) Kath
Posted by kath on July 14, 2006, at 22:06:27
In reply to Re: Emotional Freedom Technique -- free CD? » over 55, posted by JLx on July 5, 2006, at 9:33:37
I think the site is
www.emofree.com
maybe it's .org or whatever
My daughter just said it is Gary Craig but I think it's emofree.com
Kath
> I have the book "Instant Emotional Healing: Acupressure for the Emotions" by therapists, George Pratt and Peter Lambrou about tapping. This book has different tap formulas designed for various emotions or circumstances. I haven't used it very diligently in the past so never could make up my mind about how well it worked.
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> I just downloaded the Gary Craig version from online, however, which is very similar but appears simpler. I've also read the EFT materials on the Mercola.com site as well as have copied the chapter about it in Dr. Mercola's "No Grain Diet" book, which are simpler yet. He has a self-acceptance affirmation in there that I've liked, but again not used regularly.
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> Nothing will work well if you don't actually do it, but "not doing" is my major problem. I'm feeling game to give it more of a go now, though, so I'm wondering, where did you get the free CD?
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> JL
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> > You are right....this is interesting and wondered if I can get in on the discussion. I am familiar with EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) and am wondering if it is similar. The basic info and CD were free (very nice) and permission is granted to copy and give away copies to 50 people, so don't beleive this to be a money scam in any way. Anyway, I have used the techique which basically is "tapping" on various appointed pressure points in sequence along with affirmations to dispell the false beliefs associated with physical or emotional pain. I have used it successfully on tooth pain and many times on emotional issues that I am obsessing over with no solution in sight. It seems to interrupt the negative cycle of thinking and at the end of a few mintues of cyclic "tapping on pressure points", I honestly can't remember what the problem was. I have not done the extensive "tapping" that many have gone on to that "gets to the sourse" as I have been sstisfied to relieve the immeidate anxiety. Any thoughts on this?
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Posted by over 55 on July 17, 2006, at 13:01:33
In reply to Re: Emotional Freedom Technique -- free CD? » JLx, posted by kath on July 14, 2006, at 22:06:27
You are right it is Gary Craig and here is the address: http://www.emofree.com/archives/archive280.htm
I get his newsletter and it has very interesting articles about EFT and other info. I had a "tapping good time" this weekend as I was just out of sorts all weekend and tried to get at the source and tapped alot. Very successful in dealing with anxiety. Just another tool to use when I am out of control. Thanks for sharing.
Posted by Kath on July 18, 2006, at 12:09:11
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too., posted by over 55 on July 10, 2006, at 8:36:35
I'm so glad you're having good results with it.
I use both tapping AND the TAT hold now. I like that TAT hold because I'm basically lazy & it's easy & you don't even need to SAY anything.
Just feel whatever you're feeling or think about whatever you want to 'heal' & it works itself!
On the weekend my husband & I were talking about some things that had happened years ago with our son. I started feeling really sad & awful & said, "You know, this is upsetting me too much - I don't think I can talk about it any more." & he said ok, then I said, "Hey - I should do TAT about it." So I did - just standing there in the kitchen. And when I started, I got a wave of sadness - not heavy-duty, but it was there. I just kept breathing deeply & in a relaxed way. A few related things came into my mind & I just breathed & let them flow by. After about 2 or 3 minutes (& that's LONG for me - usually it is over before that), I started to think about this & that & sort of almost forgot what I was doing TAT about!!!
I just realized that I think I tend to use TAT for situations or memories, etc. And I use tapping for either specific emotions or "butterflies in my stomach" feelings or tight chest, or 'feeling yukky'...etc. Although I do use TAT for 'feeling yukky' also.
Have you tried that TAT hold yet? If you, or anyone wants any feedback at all about it, I'd be more than happy to give it!
:-)) Kath
JLX:
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> Good for you!! Sometimes we just need a "jolt from the past" to get us started again. I was sitting on my porch Sunday morning "ruminating" over a perceived "slight" I'd received and started bringing up "old pain" along with it and thought "Why do you want to spend the day suffering over this stuff?" Then I did two quick series of taps and went on with my day, pain free. Sometimes, we just forget what works!!! So, glad to have helped and keep up the good work in the weight loss....I am also "there"....
Posted by over 55 on July 19, 2006, at 9:13:06
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too. GREAT!!, posted by Kath on July 18, 2006, at 12:09:11
I haven't tried it yet, but am going to look thru old msgs and get info and look it up right now. I had a very emotional day yesterday and don't want to repeat it today. I will "tap and hold" all day if needed ( : Thanks for the encouragement!! I can't seem to get along in the real world so maybe this will work for me.
Posted by over 55 on July 19, 2006, at 11:17:44
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too. GREAT!!, posted by Kath on July 18, 2006, at 12:09:11
Kath,
WOW!!! I read about 70 pages of the info and then tried it on the issue from "yestereday"....I felt like my arms were so heavy I couldn't lift them when I was done and a physical tiredness came over me (10:30 in the am) that was very wierd. Reading on in the material I found "needing rest" after a session to be normal. It definitely did "something" and I will continue to search it out more. Thanks again!!
Posted by Kath on July 19, 2006, at 11:50:56
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too. GREAT!!, posted by over 55 on July 19, 2006, at 11:17:44
Jeez Louise ;-)) you know 'way more about it than I do then - I have only skimmed a page or two!!!!! 70 pages! WOW.
I am sooooooooooooo glad it's working for you. For me it's an unbelievable tool. If they could 'put it in a bottle' & sell it, someone could be pretty darned rich!!
Did you use the sentences or just use the hold?
I'm so excited about it!!
:-) Kath
PS - the woman who taught it to me said to:
- drink about 8 glasses of water in the 24 hours after doing TAT
- 20 minutes is about the maximum of TAT that you should do in a day
I suspect she got that info from the site.
Is there any particularly interesting stuff that you read in the 70 pages?
I downloaded the 2 free things, but don't know how to print them. Maybe we're not supposed to print them? I don't know.
K
> Kath,
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> WOW!!! I read about 70 pages of the info and then tried it on the issue from "yestereday"....I felt like my arms were so heavy I couldn't lift them when I was done and a physical tiredness came over me (10:30 in the am) that was very wierd. Reading on in the material I found "needing rest" after a session to be normal. It definitely did "something" and I will continue to search it out more. Thanks again!!
Posted by over 55 on July 19, 2006, at 13:43:10
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too. GREAT!! » over 55, posted by Kath on July 19, 2006, at 11:50:56
Maybe I should have said "I speed read" the 70 pages ..Ha HA.......The water info and 20minute thing was in that info though.....it suggested no more than 10minutes when you first do it. i only did abut 5 minutes to get thru the one issue. Then I read some more and that is when it said about the tiredess. I would have wondered about feeling like a wet noodle if I hadn't read that. I have had some body energy work done too with some amazing results. it is just very expensive and takes more time. I go get a massage tonight after work so she probably will work some more toxins out....I better go buy some more water!!!
I haven't printed either,,,,I just read on line as I could make the font big for these tired eyes ( :
Posted by Kath on July 19, 2006, at 16:08:37
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too. GREAT!!, posted by over 55 on July 19, 2006, at 13:43:10
Maybe I should have said "I speed read" the 70 pages ..Ha HA...
*********OKAY!!!!! - well, even then - you've skimmed way more than I have. Did you go through the sentences while you did it, or just the hold? I've done both ways. While working with Susan, I did the sentences & by myself I've done both ways, but mostly without the words.****
.The water info and 20minute thing was in that info though.....it suggested no more than 10minutes when you first do it. i only did abut 5 minutes to get thru the one issue. Then I read some more and that is when it said about the tiredess. I would have wondered about feeling like a wet noodle if I hadn't read that. I have had some body energy work done too with some amazing results. it is just very expensive and takes more time. I go get a massage tonight after work so she probably will work some more toxins out....I better go buy some more water!!!
*********Lucky you about the massage - yummm. Massage is so therapeutic on lots of levels, I think. I do NOT like drinking water, so I have to really put my mind to remembering to drink enough.*********
> I haven't printed either,,,,I just read on line as I could make the font big for these tired eyes ( :*********I'm also over 55! (59) & lately need my reading glasses more frequently than before. I'm getting to the point where my arm really isn't long enough to hold some small print far enough away from my eyes to read it! Makes me think of when I was a kid & my Mom used to have to hold the hymn book far in front of her in church! We'd stand up to sing (why do people stand up in church to sing?!?) & her arm would be 'way out over the row in front of us! LOL
Take care,
Kath
Posted by over 55 on July 19, 2006, at 16:48:19
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too. GREAT!! » over 55, posted by Kath on July 19, 2006, at 16:08:37
Hi again....
I did say the sentences...they were right in front of me to read this time. I am way excited about this!!
My eyesight is an issue right now. I had Lasik surgery two years ago and had perfect eyesite restored. As I have written about on other "threads"/sites, whatever they are on here, I recently went off Effexor and also Prozac (which was prescribed to get off the Effexor) and it has resulted in very blurry vision. I am off everything for two weeks now and doing OK. I halved my high-blood pressure meds too so know that the direutic in that was affecting eye site too. I am hoping my body will adjust and eyesight will be restored, but I'd rather be off meds and wear glasses ( : I had been on AD's since 1991 so I wanted to see if I could survive. And I am. I have learned other techniques to deal with stress (like TAT and tapping) and yoga and massage so would like to go "au naturale" if at all possible. Thus the eye problem. Too much info? Ah well, get me on the internet and I go wild. Not really. This is my first "chat" place on the internet except a short stint on Match.com( 3 months), so it is not an addiction yet ( :
Posted by Kath on July 20, 2006, at 8:24:22
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too. GREAT!!, posted by over 55 on July 19, 2006, at 16:48:19
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Hi Over - Not too much information at all. I'm enjoying 'chatting' with you! Muchly.
I KNOW - about being excited about TAT (& tapping) isn't it simply too much!?? I can't believe it & to ADD to it - it's EASY & FREE!!!
I also like natural methods for whatever comes my way. I went off Celexa (SSRI) in October or November (can't exactly remember - ironic - bad memory is a side effect that I DID notice with Celexa & it hasn't improved).
Anyway, I went of VERY gradually, breaking the pills in half; next stage biting that in half. My doctor laughed at me but said 'no problem'.
I went through menopause using only natural methods. Don't know if you're a guy or girl, but either for you or any important ladies in your life this book is as good for menopause as TAT is for ANYthing:
Menopausal Years - The Wise Woman Way by Susun Weed. It's invaluable!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry about your eye problems. Hey - guess what - what about trying tapping or TAT for that? I know it's a longshot, but my husband said he tried TAT for physical things & it helped!!!!
I wonder also about water. If you're on diuretics.....
Around 54 or so I noticed my eyesight changing. If I was reading, up-close, & changed to look across the room, it took a while for my focus to change. I noticed that if I had water that I had at my desk (I was doing office work at that time) & drank a lot of water, the time for the focus-change was very noticeably different!Just a thought.
I am so glad you got off Effexor successfully. I've heard so many horror stories of people simply NOT being able to function off it. And the scarey thing is that it seems most doctors don't bother to tell patients the potential serious problems that can arise.
That's all for now. (Get ME started & I "Babble" on & on....I guess this is a good site as to name!)
Take care & hope you have a great day. Kath
Hi again....
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> I did say the sentences...they were right in front of me to read this time. I am way excited about this!!
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> My eyesight is an issue right now. I had Lasik surgery two years ago and had perfect eyesite restored. As I have written about on other "threads"/sites, whatever they are on here, I recently went off Effexor and also Prozac (which was prescribed to get off the Effexor) and it has resulted in very blurry vision. I am off everything for two weeks now and doing OK. I halved my high-blood pressure meds too so know that the direutic in that was affecting eye site too. I am hoping my body will adjust and eyesight will be restored, but I'd rather be off meds and wear glasses ( : I had been on AD's since 1991 so I wanted to see if I could survive. And I am. I have learned other techniques to deal with stress (like TAT and tapping) and yoga and massage so would like to go "au naturale" if at all possible. Thus the eye problem. Too much info? Ah well, get me on the internet and I go wild. Not really. This is my first "chat" place on the internet except a short stint on Match.com( 3 months), so it is not an addiction yet ( :
Posted by over 55 on July 20, 2006, at 9:20:10
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too. GREAT!! » over 55, posted by Kath on July 20, 2006, at 8:24:22
Hi..again.
Duh......TAT/tapping for eyesight! See what I mean about "not thinking" of using it on everything!!
I liked the idea of using it on pets that was in the 70 pages too! Like I could hold my pets head (ha ha). I have a Scarlet Macaw who thinks it is very funny to climb on my head or back as she knows I can't get her off when she does that. She is so close to my face and eyes that I hesitate to "make her mad" at times like that, but wish I could do a little "something" to calm her down. She gets way excited when she thinks she is getting to ride on me. Then my "little" Amazon parrot comes literally running over to "protect me" and the feathers can fly!!! She is very jealous of me and I can't handle the big bird if she is out of her cage. The birds have a room where they can just be free and each is pretty territorial of their cage and space. Also have two cockateils that just try to stay out of the way ( : Makes for a lively house!! I guess I said all that to say I need to try the "stuff" on them. I have been "tapping" on big birds beak when music is on as she seems to love that. She also loves to have me blow dry her in the AM. She waddles into my bedroom when she hears the drier on and stands at my feet for a blow dry. She "sings" along with it making a humming noise. She is too funny. The birds have free reign of the house, but like I said "Carmen" rules the roost and can run the big bird back in her cage in a heartbeat. I only put them in the cage at night to sleep and big bird was kept in a cage for 5 years before I got her so she is never locked up since I got her. She is the sweetest bird. I also have Koi fish (in a pond built inside the house in the room the birds are in) and a dog (Maltese mix) and numerous "outside" cats as I live in the country. I had an inside cat for 17 yrs who died last year. ALL the animals get along and live side my side. I expected them to live that way and never had any problenm bringing a new "member" into the family. Now my boyfriend has been a different matter ( : The birds really didn't like him taking any attention from me and they have learned to tolerate one another. What is funny is when I have been gone for a few days for work and he is in charge of feeding etc, they are very friendly and let him carry them back to the cage etc. The minute I return, he is "dismissed" and they won't have anything to do with him!! And I thought cats were fickle.
I am a woman (age 58) and appreciate the hint of the book on Menapause. I am weaning off Premarin too. My massage lady was talking about getting off Premarin so I am going to give her the name of that book too. And yes, the massage was wonderful. She and I spend too much time talking though before "I shut my mouth" and relax!! She had a wonderful blend of essential oil she used that was heavenly yesterday. I told her to get me a bottle. I just could not get enough of the "smell". I almost passed out from breathing so deeply (ha ha). It had lemon, orange, petcheula (sp) (my favorte) and some other things. I love "sweet smells; not flowery, just sweet.
Well enough babbling...I do have a job and am at work ( :
Posted by over 55 on July 20, 2006, at 9:56:56
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too. GREAT!! » over 55, posted by Kath on July 19, 2006, at 16:08:37
Hey Kath,
Forgot one thing I wanted to say in "long note"...read about "asking your body" if it wants you to work on __such and such.....and tell me what you think? I use the fingertip one and I will share my thoughts after you!!
Posted by Kath on July 20, 2006, at 16:49:34
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too. GREAT!!, posted by over 55 on July 20, 2006, at 9:20:10
What an interesting post!
Your home sounds very interesting. That one room must be wonderful. Do you have plants in it? It sounds like it 'should' have plants in it, but maybe the birds would eat them or something.
I love the thought of just letting the animals all roam & co-exist.
My cat, Ginger - he-who-thinks-he-is-a-dog
was really affectionate with my daughter (30) while hubby & I were away. Same thing when I was away on my Kathryn's Week Away, camping - he was very loving with my husband. When I came back, he pretty-well ignored my daughter!!! Oh dear. He's a "wonder-bird" - I call him all sorts of massively stupid names!!!! I think I'll post a question on the Social Board as to stupid names people call their pets!!Anyway, I'm glad you have such interesting pets.
I have a WONderful lizard. She's a Uromastix. 14 inches long, toad-like head; roundish flatish body; spiky dinosaur tail. She is mottle & very beautiful. I love her - fancy that eh? Who would think you could LOVE a lizard?????????
Anyway her name is Meggie & she loves it when I rub her nose & face against my cheek. She's one of the relatively few lizards who is 'cool' with being held. She's a cutie-pie. She will NOT go to the bathroom in her tank (which is big). She'll scramble to get out. When I take her out, she'll then go! Who would ALSO think that at 59 years old, I'd be wiping up after a lizard!!!!!!!!! LOLThat's interesting about using TAT on animals.
:-) Kath
Posted by Kath on July 20, 2006, at 16:50:30
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too. GREAT!!, posted by over 55 on July 20, 2006, at 9:56:56
Do you know what page that's on? K
> Hey Kath,
>
> Forgot one thing I wanted to say in "long note"...read about "asking your body" if it wants you to work on __such and such.....and tell me what you think? I use the fingertip one and I will share my thoughts after you!!
Posted by over 55 on July 21, 2006, at 9:32:43
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too. GREAT!! » over 55, posted by Kath on July 20, 2006, at 16:50:30
I don't remember the page number....but it was at the beginning of the "how to" b/c you are supposed to ask your body between each question if it wants to work on it (the forgiveness etc) and if it doesn't you can skip that part. It was real.l.l.l.y interesting to try. So then I thought as long as my "bodies talking to me" I might was well try something else so I had some bottles of "pills" suppliments on my desk and I took one pill out of each and held them one at a time in my left hand and "asked my body if I should take this" and did the "finger rub technique for yes or no". What was really cool is that I got definiute answers to each one. I have taken a "high stress B vitamin" for years and I got a NO on it. No to baby aspirin (I take for heart) and a YES to Ginko Biloba. I felt like I was back in the 60's again using the Wegie (sp) board or the pendalum swing to get answers. I really don't know what to think about it, but it was INTERESTING!!!!! I suppose if someone came around and saw me holding my nose or tapping my head all over they might want to "put me away" for a rest anyway so why not try it?? I can't see where this can hurt you and you aren't taking anything into your body.
I love that you have a lizard. I think I could "love" on too. I have great respect for any living thing and have a hard time hurting any one of them. A husband of a friend of mine had lizards and I was fascinated. They were about 2-3 feet long and I held and petted one. I had a frog out on the patio that would come to my feet when I was out there. I never picked it up though...we just relaxed together!!
As for my bird room I love it!! It has a stone floor and my glass dining table is in there. I guess you'd call it an atrium as there are floor to ceiling glass on one side and a sliding glass door out to an enclosed patio area. I have kind of a unique house that has open beam ceiling with a loft living room and bedroom upstairs with a "cat walk" over the stone room connecting the two. The stairway comes down into the "stone room" from the front door. The rest of the house is on one level. It is my "deram house" to be sure and I have lived here 11 years. I would like to somehow put netting or lattice over the patio outside and let the birds outside. For now all but the big red one goes outside with me and have cages outside to get some fresh air, It is funny to see a cat lying on top of a bird cage. Even the outside cats seem to sense that these are not to be "eaten"!!!
Well have a great weekend. It has cooled down 20 degrees overnight here in Kansas. I am so.o.o.o happy. I don't "do heat" well and it has been over 100 all this week. I may eve pull a few weeds if it stays this cool!!
Posted by Kath on July 21, 2006, at 19:42:57
In reply to Re: TAT technique - I'm interested too. GREAT!!, posted by over 55 on July 21, 2006, at 9:32:43
> I don't remember the page number....but it was at the beginning of the "how to" b/c you are supposed to ask your body between each question if it wants to work on it (the forgiveness etc) and if it doesn't you can skip that part. It was real.l.l.l.y interesting to try.
*********I can't find it. I went to the site & don't know where to look. Weird eh?
I seem to remember from before something about if one's fingers felt smooth or slightly resistant. Was that the part? When I tried it, I couldn't differentiate.I do, however, use a pendulum to determine Bach Flower Remedies. I have the whole kit & will 'make up' a Bach Remedy for family or friends. I use the pendulum to see 'what they need'. Witchy or what.**********
So then I thought as long as my "bodies talking to me" I might was well try something else so I had some bottles of "pills" suppliments on my desk and I took one pill out of each and held them one at a time in my left hand and "asked my body if I should take this" and did the "finger rub technique for yes or no". What was really cool is that I got definiute answers to each one. I have taken a "high stress B vitamin" for years and I got a NO on it. No to baby aspirin (I take for heart) and a YES to Ginko Biloba. I felt like I was back in the 60's again using the Wegie (sp) board or the pendalum swing to get answers. I really don't know what to think about it, but it was INTERESTING!!!!!
****My daughter & I use 'muscle testing' all the time to check for vitamins etc. Locally, in natural food stores in the vitamin section, the staff seem to know about muscle testing. I've often asked them to check between different brands of something to see which one seems to strengthen my body most. My daughter has Multiple Chemical Sensitivities & also has bad reactions to numerous foods, so we'll test her. We use either holding her arm out to the side parallel to the floor & I'll see how much pressure is needed to push it down towards the floor. We also use having her hold the tip of her thumb to the tip of her ring finger & I see how much pressure is needed to pull them open.
Sounds like you were able to "feel" the difference with your fingers. I should try it again, but I don't know where to look.
I applied to join the TAT group - I don't know what you call it - an online communication group like PsychoBabble. I mainly want to check it out. I find being online can positively devour my time!!********
I suppose if someone came around and saw me holding my nose or tapping my head all over they might want to "put me away" for a rest anyway so why not try it?? I can't see where this can hurt you and you aren't taking anything into your body.
*********I think it's simply a wonderful tool to know about. It helps me immensely. That something so simple could help me feel so much better when I'm feeling badly is great.*******
> I love that you have a lizard. I think I could "love" on too. I have great respect for any living thing and have a hard time hurting any one of them. A husband of a friend of mine had lizards and I was fascinated. They were about 2-3 feet long and I held and petted one.*****Beardies are nice. (Bearded dragons)********
I had a frog out on the patio that would come to my feet when I was out there. I never picked it up though...we just relaxed together!!
****oh that is so cute!!!!!!! I used to have Grampa Toad. He lived in a planter that I had on the patio. He'd hop around of the patio if I was there - unafraid.*****
> As for my bird room I love it!! It has a stone floor and my glass dining table is in there. I guess you'd call it an atrium as there are floor to ceiling glass on one side and a sliding glass door out to an enclosed patio area. I have kind of a unique house that has open beam ceiling with a loft living room and bedroom upstairs with a "cat walk" over the stone room connecting the two. The stairway comes down into the "stone room" from the front door. The rest of the house is on one level. It is my "deram house" to be sure and I have lived here 11 years.
****Your dream house sounds like a TOTAL DREAM.
Are you in the country? *****I would like to somehow put netting or lattice over the patio outside and let the birds outside. For now all but the big red one goes outside with me and have cages outside to get some fresh air, It is funny to see a cat lying on top of a bird cage. Even the outside cats seem to sense that these are not to be "eaten"!!!
>
> Well have a great weekend. It has cooled down 20 degrees overnight here in Kansas. I am so.o.o.o happy. I don't "do heat" well and it has been over 100 all this week. I may eve pull a few weeds if it stays this cool!!*****I had to go look at my thermometer - I tend to think in Celsius now. Canada changed over to metric many years ago & it took me ages to think in C. 100 - that's HOTTTTTTTT Is it humid? That makes it feel so much more oppressive. We've been having in the 90's & humid, so it's been awful. I don't "do heat" well either - unless it's dry heat, which I can handle OK. It's feeling like it might rain, which would be OK 'cuz it sort of gets rid of the humidity & makes it fresher. I don't like rain at all, except for that aspect. I'm really looking forward to the weekend!
Kath*****
Posted by Kath on July 23, 2006, at 13:52:16
In reply to Re: Emotional Freedom Technique » over 55, posted by JLx on July 9, 2006, at 14:37:21
Hi JLx
Just wondering if you've followed up on the TAT stuff?
K
Posted by Kath on July 23, 2006, at 13:53:28
In reply to Muscle Testing » over 55, posted by Kath on July 21, 2006, at 19:42:57
I've subscribed to the newsletter at
www.tatlife.com
This one is about releasing ANGER. It's great.
Kath
Posted by JLx on July 23, 2006, at 13:58:56
In reply to Re: Emotional Freedom Technique » JLx, posted by Kath on July 23, 2006, at 13:52:16
> Hi JLx
>
> Just wondering if you've followed up on the TAT stuff?
>
> KNo, not yet. I've been a tapping fool though. :)
I'm working through some heavy duty stuff from my past. I notice that different thoughts and feelings come up on different tap sites, so I thought I'd stick with EFT for now.
JL
Posted by over 55 on July 24, 2006, at 9:15:08
In reply to Muscle Testing » over 55, posted by Kath on July 21, 2006, at 19:42:57
Hi Kath,
Wonderful weekend!! Cooled off and I even took a nap outside on Sat. It has been terribly humid, along with the oppresive heart, so reasonable weather is a comfort!! I did a little weeding, but not much else outside; just enjoyed the break in the heat.
Yes,I live in the country. I have about 3 acres total, which is plenty to care for. The nice thing is even though I am on a gravel road, I only have 130 yards or so to blacktop highway and am only 10 minutes from my work. The best of both worlds really. I love the country and don't know if I could live in town again. There is such peace out here.
You know you forget some things from the past until someone mentions it. I used to sell Nikken products and we always used the muscle testing to "show the effects of magnets" on the body. I never thought to use it for food/vitamin testing. I like the idea though. I still sleep with magnets on my wrists (for arthritis) and use a travel magnet pad to sleep on.
Yes, the finger method had to do with smooth and rough; using the thumb and first finger tips. At times my thumb felt glued to the finger and wouldn't move at all. I agree about the getting on the chat board for TAT. Probably get some really good ideas and support. I know "chatting" can eat up your day!! Do you work or are you retired?? I may never get to retire and I have to pay for this house (ha ha)!!
Don't really have anything profound to talk about just wanted to say "Hi" as I enjoy sharing!! Have a great day!!
Posted by Kath on July 24, 2006, at 10:49:42
In reply to Re: Muscle Testing, posted by over 55 on July 24, 2006, at 9:15:08
Hi 'over',
I enjoy chatting with you! You are absoLUTEly right about it eating up the day. I do some housecleaning jobs with a friend. I guess that could be called "I have my own business" LOL but I don't think of it that way. People usually seem to have their homes cleaned on alternate weeks, so l week I work Wed, Thur & Fri and the alternate week I work just Thur & Friday. I feel so fortunate to have as much free time as I do.
I am going through a terrible awful time in my life right now to do with my son. I post about it on the Social Board & don't want to re-type it, so if you're interested you could read it on that board. I think it's sort of near the bottom.
Your situation in the country sounds truly idyllic(sp?). Apart from you & your menagerie, does anyone else live there? I think you mentioned a boyfriend who was "acceptable" to your pets if you weren't there. Does he live with you? Any kids?
Could you tell me how to get 'into' the area where you read about the finger-testing? I can't figure out where to go; have tried a few times.
Thanks, Kath
PS - I hope you have a great day. I'm glad you had such a nice weekend.
Posted by over 55 on July 25, 2006, at 11:11:31
In reply to Re: Muscle Testing » over 55, posted by Kath on July 24, 2006, at 10:49:42
> Hi 'over',
>
> I enjoy chatting with you! You are absoLUTEly right about it eating up the day. I do some housecleaning jobs with a friend. I guess that could be called "I have my own business" LOL but I don't think of it that way. People usually seem to have their homes cleaned on alternate weeks, so l week I work Wed, Thur & Fri and the alternate week I work just Thur & Friday. I feel so fortunate to have as much free time as I do.Sound like the perfect job to me....Ihave a 8-5 job, but really do enjoy it. I did social work in child protection for many years and now am training other's to do the work. I like seeing people succeed so this is a good fit for me.
>
> I am going through a terrible awful time in my life right now to do with my son. I post about it on the Social Board & don't want to re-type it, so if you're interested you could read it on that board. I think it's sort of near the bottom.I am really sad you are having such a hard time with your child. Drugs can change people so drastically. But there is help out there for them and maybe he will "see the light" one of these days. It is amazing the heart we have towards our children no matter where they fail. I hope this situation resolves itself soon and in a positive way. Life is so precious and short to waste time on suffering!! He and your family will be in my prayers. I will stay up on this aspect by reading your other site posts so you don't have to repeat for me ( : I will tell you about my own child "drama" in answering another question you asked further down.
>
> Your situation in the country sounds truly idyllic(sp?). Apart from you & your menagerie, does anyone else live there? I think you mentioned a boyfriend who was "acceptable" to your pets if you weren't there. Does he live with you? Any kids?Hum.m.m. yes a "confirmed bachelor" boyfriend of two years lives with me!! My religious history would never have entertained the idea, but it just felt like the right thing to do and I do not regret it!! I wasn't looking for a partner, I was "scouting" him out for a friend. I was telling her what a nice guy he was and she should check it out. She'd recently adopted an 8 yr old boy as a single mom and responded "I just don't have time for a man right now".....so I thought "well, I do" and so the story goes. He and I kept talking and going places together and well.....here we are two years later. He is very marriage shy and since I spent 27 years in a one marriage I am in no hurry either. We both seem to thrive on the idea that this is "fun for now"!!! He wouldn't know the difference; but it really feels like we are married. Very confortable and comforting to have someone to be with. He tolerates and even likes most of my animals so that is a real plus. The one thing he talked about early on (I haven't heard this for the last year though) is his desire to have children. He is a bit younger (I confess it is 15 years younger (ha ha) than me; but the children thing isn't happening. I have no desire to be the "oldest living mother" or adopt or anything else. So that has been an issue that he has to resolve in his life journey. He does look older and I am a well-preserved 58, so no one questions our being together. We appear to be a pretty good fit and for now it works!!
I eluded to my own "children" problems on another part of this site one time. I have essentially been estranged from both since the divorce (13 yrs ago). There have been fleeting moments of "togetherness" following by long periods of silence from my daughter who is married and has three children of her own. I have cried so many tears over this I cannot count. She cannot tell me why she does not want me in her life; she just doesn't!! She says she was a "fat unhappy child" and it is my fault. Heck, I was a fat unhappy adult, what did I know!! I felt I did an adequate job, considering my history. But whatever I did or did not do, it was wrong. Now, I feel so awkward around her (which is seldom) it is excruciating for everyone. I have sent gifts consistently to each grandchild but have no contact, which breaks my heart. I have seen each of them, but two wouldn't know me if they saw me. It is a very sad sitation and I wish I knew what to do. I have appologized and offered to pay for and go to therapy with her. "No", she says".although she was in therapy herself so that is a good thing ...so I am stuck in this pain for now.
My son, who is 8 yrs younger than his sister, is a follower and appears to feel guilt for having much to do with me since his sister is boycotting me. So...it goes on year after year. He struggled with drugs for a few years in his middle 20's. I offered to have him come live with me and to pay for any treatment program he needed at the time. He was in New York with his dad at the time. This was not acceptable I heard later from his dad. They had wanted me to pay to get his car from repossession and pay his credit cards off instead so he was "hurt" when I offered the other. I did not feel and still don't that bailing him out of a financial situation, caused by drug use, was the answer. I offered what I thought might permanently help him. So that was my "sin" with that child.
We pastored a local church for many years and I never would in my wildest dreams have seen the future turn out this way. but it has and I just try to stay positive and hope that some day these relationships can be healed. I struggle with a it almost daily in my thoughts. But enough of that. My son is drug free as of now and going back to school in another state. So that is a good thing and I hope brings you hope for your son.
>
> Could you tell me how to get 'into' the area where you read about the finger-testing? I can't figure out where to go; have tried a few
times.I finally found it. It was in the downloadable part of the free work-book on page 7-8. It is all very interesting though about cellular memory etc. I want to go back and reread it all as I just skimmed it the first time. Hope this isn't illegal but here is the part for "finger-rubbing"....
Thumb and Index Finger:
Rub the fleshy part of your thumb and your index finger lightly back and forth
against each other and just observe how they feel.
Now, ask your body to use a smooth feeling to mean “Yes" or "I don't have a
problem with that," and then say or think, "Body, would you please show me a yes?"
Now rub your thumb and index finger back and forth to see how a “Yes" feels.
Next, ask your body to use a sticky feeling to mean “No" or "I have a problem
with that" and then say or think, "Body, would you please show me a no?" Now, rub
your thumb and index finger back and forth to see how a “No" feels.
You can set the system up either way you want to, with smooth meaning “No”
and sticky meaning “Yes.” Smooth does not inherently mean “Yes" and sticky does
not inherently mean “No." However you set it up is how your body will respond. All
you are doing is saying, "Body, I want you to do this to mean yes, and I want you to
do that to mean no." I'm reasonably certain that your body will say, "Okay, I can do
that."
If these methods don't work for you, or if you are concerned that you're
making it happen, or if you're concerned that these techniques conflict with your
religious beliefs, you can put your healing in the hands of God or the Holy Spirit or
simply the divine wisdom of the universe. Whatever you call it, it is that which knows
what is truly best for you. Entreat that divine entity, "If it is time for this problem to be
healed, then may it happen now. If it is not the time for it to be healed, may it
happen when the time is right." Then you can rest in the knowledge that this either
is or is not the right time for that particular issue to be healed.
Whether you use muscle testing or whether you put your healing in the hands
of the divine, be sure to ask whether or not each step of TAT is necessary when you
are working on a problem.
>
> Thanks, Kath
>
> PS - I hope you have a great day. I'm glad you had such a nice weekend.Well enough for now...I must get back to work...it's almost lunch time here (yea ( :
Posted by Kath on August 5, 2006, at 0:09:51
In reply to Re: Muscle Testing, posted by over 55 on July 25, 2006, at 11:11:31
Hi Over,
I'm so sorry not to reply to this lovely long post. It's been hot & Humid & I have had not very much energy.
I appreciate your giving the details here & I'll print it off.
I've just posted on Social Board. I'm going away for a week. Weather is nicer now & good news that my son has a better job.
I'll check in when I get back.
:-))) Kath
> > Hi 'over',
> >
> > I enjoy chatting with you! You are absoLUTEly right about it eating up the day. I do some housecleaning jobs with a friend. I guess that could be called "I have my own business" LOL but I don't think of it that way. People usually seem to have their homes cleaned on alternate weeks, so l week I work Wed, Thur & Fri and the alternate week I work just Thur & Friday. I feel so fortunate to have as much free time as I do.
>
> Sound like the perfect job to me....Ihave a 8-5 job, but really do enjoy it. I did social work in child protection for many years and now am training other's to do the work. I like seeing people succeed so this is a good fit for me.
> >
> > I am going through a terrible awful time in my life right now to do with my son. I post about it on the Social Board & don't want to re-type it, so if you're interested you could read it on that board. I think it's sort of near the bottom.
>
> I am really sad you are having such a hard time with your child. Drugs can change people so drastically. But there is help out there for them and maybe he will "see the light" one of these days. It is amazing the heart we have towards our children no matter where they fail. I hope this situation resolves itself soon and in a positive way. Life is so precious and short to waste time on suffering!! He and your family will be in my prayers. I will stay up on this aspect by reading your other site posts so you don't have to repeat for me ( : I will tell you about my own child "drama" in answering another question you asked further down.
> >
> > Your situation in the country sounds truly idyllic(sp?). Apart from you & your menagerie, does anyone else live there? I think you mentioned a boyfriend who was "acceptable" to your pets if you weren't there. Does he live with you? Any kids?
>
> Hum.m.m. yes a "confirmed bachelor" boyfriend of two years lives with me!! My religious history would never have entertained the idea, but it just felt like the right thing to do and I do not regret it!! I wasn't looking for a partner, I was "scouting" him out for a friend. I was telling her what a nice guy he was and she should check it out. She'd recently adopted an 8 yr old boy as a single mom and responded "I just don't have time for a man right now".....so I thought "well, I do" and so the story goes. He and I kept talking and going places together and well.....here we are two years later. He is very marriage shy and since I spent 27 years in a one marriage I am in no hurry either. We both seem to thrive on the idea that this is "fun for now"!!! He wouldn't know the difference; but it really feels like we are married. Very confortable and comforting to have someone to be with. He tolerates and even likes most of my animals so that is a real plus. The one thing he talked about early on (I haven't heard this for the last year though) is his desire to have children. He is a bit younger (I confess it is 15 years younger (ha ha) than me; but the children thing isn't happening. I have no desire to be the "oldest living mother" or adopt or anything else. So that has been an issue that he has to resolve in his life journey. He does look older and I am a well-preserved 58, so no one questions our being together. We appear to be a pretty good fit and for now it works!!
>
> I eluded to my own "children" problems on another part of this site one time. I have essentially been estranged from both since the divorce (13 yrs ago). There have been fleeting moments of "togetherness" following by long periods of silence from my daughter who is married and has three children of her own. I have cried so many tears over this I cannot count. She cannot tell me why she does not want me in her life; she just doesn't!! She says she was a "fat unhappy child" and it is my fault. Heck, I was a fat unhappy adult, what did I know!! I felt I did an adequate job, considering my history. But whatever I did or did not do, it was wrong. Now, I feel so awkward around her (which is seldom) it is excruciating for everyone. I have sent gifts consistently to each grandchild but have no contact, which breaks my heart. I have seen each of them, but two wouldn't know me if they saw me. It is a very sad sitation and I wish I knew what to do. I have appologized and offered to pay for and go to therapy with her. "No", she says".although she was in therapy herself so that is a good thing ...so I am stuck in this pain for now.
>
> My son, who is 8 yrs younger than his sister, is a follower and appears to feel guilt for having much to do with me since his sister is boycotting me. So...it goes on year after year. He struggled with drugs for a few years in his middle 20's. I offered to have him come live with me and to pay for any treatment program he needed at the time. He was in New York with his dad at the time. This was not acceptable I heard later from his dad. They had wanted me to pay to get his car from repossession and pay his credit cards off instead so he was "hurt" when I offered the other. I did not feel and still don't that bailing him out of a financial situation, caused by drug use, was the answer. I offered what I thought might permanently help him. So that was my "sin" with that child.
>
> We pastored a local church for many years and I never would in my wildest dreams have seen the future turn out this way. but it has and I just try to stay positive and hope that some day these relationships can be healed. I struggle with a it almost daily in my thoughts. But enough of that. My son is drug free as of now and going back to school in another state. So that is a good thing and I hope brings you hope for your son.
> >
> > Could you tell me how to get 'into' the area where you read about the finger-testing? I can't figure out where to go; have tried a few
> times.
>
> I finally found it. It was in the downloadable part of the free work-book on page 7-8. It is all very interesting though about cellular memory etc. I want to go back and reread it all as I just skimmed it the first time. Hope this isn't illegal but here is the part for "finger-rubbing"....
> Thumb and Index Finger:
> Rub the fleshy part of your thumb and your index finger lightly back and forth
> against each other and just observe how they feel.
> Now, ask your body to use a smooth feeling to mean “Yes" or "I don't have a
> problem with that," and then say or think, "Body, would you please show me a yes?"
> Now rub your thumb and index finger back and forth to see how a “Yes" feels.
> Next, ask your body to use a sticky feeling to mean “No" or "I have a problem
> with that" and then say or think, "Body, would you please show me a no?" Now, rub
> your thumb and index finger back and forth to see how a “No" feels.
> You can set the system up either way you want to, with smooth meaning “No”
> and sticky meaning “Yes.” Smooth does not inherently mean “Yes" and sticky does
> not inherently mean “No." However you set it up is how your body will respond. All
> you are doing is saying, "Body, I want you to do this to mean yes, and I want you to
> do that to mean no." I'm reasonably certain that your body will say, "Okay, I can do
> that."
> If these methods don't work for you, or if you are concerned that you're
> making it happen, or if you're concerned that these techniques conflict with your
> religious beliefs, you can put your healing in the hands of God or the Holy Spirit or
> simply the divine wisdom of the universe. Whatever you call it, it is that which knows
> what is truly best for you. Entreat that divine entity, "If it is time for this problem to be
> healed, then may it happen now. If it is not the time for it to be healed, may it
> happen when the time is right." Then you can rest in the knowledge that this either
> is or is not the right time for that particular issue to be healed.
> Whether you use muscle testing or whether you put your healing in the hands
> of the divine, be sure to ask whether or not each step of TAT is necessary when you
> are working on a problem.
> >
> > Thanks, Kath
> >
> > PS - I hope you have a great day. I'm glad you had such a nice weekend.
>
> Well enough for now...I must get back to work...it's almost lunch time here (yea ( :
>
>
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