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Posted by linkadge on October 28, 2006, at 9:57:38
Vitamin C
Theanine
Gingko
Phosphatidyl serine
Chromium
Conjugated Linolic Acid
Cyproheptadine (drug)
moderate exercise
melatonin,
Niacine,
Nicotine,
Remeron (drug)Linkadge
Posted by circusboy on October 29, 2006, at 19:56:45
In reply to Linkadge's anticortisol list..contributions ?, posted by linkadge on October 28, 2006, at 9:57:38
Relora ® is also supposed to help reduce cortisol levels. It's a money-making (patent-pending) mix of Magnolia and Phellodendron. I'm not taking it now, but when I did it certainly had a relaxing effect. Not what I needed in the long term, though.
-cb
Posted by linkadge on October 30, 2006, at 8:39:47
In reply to Re: Linkadge's anticortisol list..contributions ?, posted by circusboy on October 29, 2006, at 19:56:45
Yeah, I read about that. I wonder if there's any research to back up the claims.
There was a recent lawsuit for a weight loss supplement company which falsely advertied that their product lowered cortisol.
Linkadge
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on October 30, 2006, at 9:08:55
In reply to Linkadge's anticortisol list..contributions ?, posted by linkadge on October 28, 2006, at 9:57:38
Hi Link,
I know this is off topic (I'm sorry)
I'd be interested to hear about your experiences with theanine. If you have taken it or whatever.
I have completely given up coffee (I was only a one or two cup a day gal anyway) and switched to tea. I try to drink the green stuff, but most often, it ends up being the black stuff. I'd completely switch to green, but the cafes round here have this unpure version, 'flavoured'- with artifical things no doubt. At least the black tea is just that!
Meri
BTW is your list in descending order of potency? I didn't know ginkgo had anti-cortisol properties. It has quite a few remarkable properties.
Posted by linkadge on October 30, 2006, at 9:34:16
In reply to Re: Linkadge's anticortisol list..contributions ? » linkadge, posted by Meri-Tuuli on October 30, 2006, at 9:08:55
Yeah, supposely ginkgo alters the expression of certain genes that regulate the HPA axis. Normally during stress, cortisol decreases the expression of the 5-ht1a receptor. This can, in turn, lead to more stress. Ginkgo can block/reverse some of these alterations.
I think theanine is a good supplement. It seems to have a relaxing effect, as well as producing a sence of well being.
Linkadge
Posted by Declan on November 5, 2006, at 1:00:30
In reply to Re: Linkadge's anticortisol list..contributions ?, posted by circusboy on October 29, 2006, at 19:56:45
It's in the blend I take for allergies/sinus.
Posted by Jlx on November 6, 2006, at 17:24:26
In reply to Linkadge's anticortisol list..contributions ?, posted by linkadge on October 28, 2006, at 9:57:38
Going to sleep early was in "The Cortisol Connection". The author said that the hours between 10 PM and midnight were the most important to stabilize the normal cortisol circadian rhythm. He said one reason we are out of whack is because we don't have the wake/sleep cycle of our ancestors, that we are too awake too late in the evening which throws off our day time cycle into too much cortisol all the time. He suggested turning out lights at 8 p.m., staying off computers, etc. until bed.
I find it difficult, but when I've done it I have indeed felt the difference. In fact, the first time, I woke up at 1 AM feeling like it was morning! I looked at the clock and couldn't believe it.
I've read this elsewhere from this book too but can't remember where. It fits with recent news articles about not sleeping making us fat. Maybe it's not the total hours sleeping, but the sleep coinciding optimally with the ideal rise and fall of cortisol since cortisol relates to weight gain.
I recall the author saying that he took theanine in the early evening to calm himself down.
I wonder if it's also better to take other cortisol-reducing supplements later in the day.
JL
Posted by sregan on November 7, 2006, at 21:32:39
In reply to Linkadge's anticortisol list..contributions ?, posted by linkadge on October 28, 2006, at 9:57:38
> Vitamin C
> Theanine
> Gingko
> Phosphatidyl serine
> Chromium
> Conjugated Linolic Acid
> Cyproheptadine (drug)
> moderate exercise
> melatonin,
> Niacine,
> Nicotine,
> Remeron (drug)
>
> LinkadgeOne's I've researched (tried the first four):
Acetly-L-Carnitine
Gingko
Phosphatidyl serine
DHEA
Holy Basil Extract (most adaptogens)
Magnolia Bark Extract
Siberian ginseng
Rhodiola Rosea Extract
Posted by sregan on November 9, 2006, at 15:21:50
In reply to Re: Linkadge's anticortisol list..contributions ? » linkadge, posted by sregan on November 7, 2006, at 21:32:39
Does anyone have a study or anything other than a supplement description that Theanine does anything with cortisol? I know theanine is added to any Trademarked "Cort-whatever" supplement mix and the OTHER ingredients will reduce cortisol (DHEA has documented glucocorticoid properties for example) but I don't think the Theanine itself does. All I've seen is that it is a GABA agonist and MAY potentiate dopamine.
Shawn
Posted by Optimist on November 20, 2006, at 11:35:55
In reply to Any evidence on THEANINE? » sregan, posted by sregan on November 9, 2006, at 15:21:50
DHEA, phosphatidylserine, and St. John's Wort are some major heavy hitters in reducing cortisol.
DHEA acts in a reverse manner to a lot of cortisols effects, and both secreted by the adrenals. The DHEA/cortisol ratio is an important health marker.
Phosphatidylserine has probably the
best efficacy in reducing cortisol levels of all the available supplements on the market.St. John's Wort induces the enzyme CYP3A4 which is responsible for metabolizing cortisol which may be one of it's proposed effects on reducing depression.
Posted by sregan on November 20, 2006, at 13:42:49
In reply to Re: Any evidence on THEANINE?, posted by Optimist on November 20, 2006, at 11:35:55
> St. John's Wort induces the enzyme CYP3A4 which is responsible for metabolizing cortisol which may be one of it's proposed effects on reducing depression.
This part I didn't know, thanks for the info.
Posted by tealady on November 20, 2006, at 19:38:21
In reply to Re: Any evidence on THEANINE?, posted by Optimist on November 20, 2006, at 11:35:55
Thanks Optimist, I didnt know that either about DHEA or SJW.. I didn't like either of em(St John's Wort was the worst) and i was on the low side of cortisol rather than high.
So maybe it does lower cortisol effectively .(I loved SAMe thigh so I guess that doesnt lower cortisol, if this line of logic is followed thru)
Posted by Optimist on November 23, 2006, at 23:17:49
In reply to Re: Any evidence on THEANINE? » Optimist, posted by tealady on November 20, 2006, at 19:38:21
Perhaps you could try Licorice as it has cortisol increasing effects. It makes me feel worse since I am on the high end. Conversely it may make you feel better if you're low in cortisol.
Posted by tealady on November 25, 2006, at 0:38:55
In reply to Re: Any evidence on THEANINE?, posted by Optimist on November 23, 2006, at 23:17:49
> Perhaps you could try Licorice as it has cortisol increasing effects. It makes me feel worse since I am on the high end. Conversely it may make you feel better if you're low in cortisol.
yes thanks Optimist. I've been using licorice for about 4 years or so now :).. to raise cortisolAt present.. just ran out last week, my cortisol levels are getting on the high side, I think due to B1 (1) that I've been taking for about 6 mths by injections and is finally building up in me ..
and licorice inhibiting the the 11 beta_HSD2.. so a combo double whammy to build up cortisol?1. B1 probably raises the pentose pathway flux..as would Magnesium, B2, biotin..
McCormick KL, Wang X, Mick GJ. Related Articles, Links
Evidence that the 11 beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (11 beta-HSD1) is regulated by pentose pathway flux. Studies in rat adipocytes and microsomes. )sorry off topic here..I haven't tried theanine by itself.
Jan
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