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Posted by LOOPS on January 26, 2007, at 15:36:00
so I have a love-hate relationship with taurine. It's very effective for anxiety for me coupled with a little magnesium, but only when I take a small amount. More makes me too tired and ironically I then can't sleep also.
However - recently I've just been opening up a cap and putting a little in my tea - say 200mg - that seems great. It is water-soluble as well. Much more and I start getting out of balance I think with other aminos.
I read that taurine can build up - so initially you can take a good wallop of it - like a gram, then after that taper off until you just take a bit. That's my theory anyway.
It is interesting that taurine in animal products (the only source) gets destroyed by heat - as opposed to other substances such as B12 which don't.
It is also my theory that glutamine levels can drop with too much taurine. It is now well-known that too much glycine reduces taurine (as in if you take large amounts of magnesium glycinate).
If you don't want to take taurine, you can always take more B6 and zinc to encourage your body to make more of it.
So take less if it worked for you but then you felt like crap - it works very well for me at much lower levels.
I also btw found that liver tablets are very helpful for me - I take the strong ones - Beverly International I think but you can buy other brands for cheaper that are still concentrated.
Loops
Posted by LOOPS on January 26, 2007, at 15:37:36
In reply to yay - less taurine is more, posted by LOOPS on January 26, 2007, at 15:36:00
Oh -
I also read that taurine taken in high amounts can reduce copper levels - so be careful. Interestingly liver is high in copper - which might be why coupling these two substances has a good effect on me. I also eat lots of nuts which are high in copper.
Posted by saturn on February 3, 2007, at 23:17:52
In reply to Re: yay - less taurine is more, posted by LOOPS on January 26, 2007, at 15:37:36
> Oh -
> I also read that taurine taken in high amounts can reduce copper levels - so be careful. Interestingly liver is high in copper - which might be why coupling these two substances has a good effect on me. I also eat lots of nuts which are high in copper.Hi LOOPS,
May I ask what would be considered high amounts? Thx! Peace...Saturn
Posted by tealady on February 4, 2007, at 4:46:30
In reply to Re: yay - less taurine is more, posted by LOOPS on January 26, 2007, at 15:37:36
> Oh -
> I also read that taurine taken in high amounts can reduce copper levels - so be careful. Interestingly liver is high in copper - which might be why coupling these two substances has a good effect on me. I also eat lots of nuts which are high in copper.Hi Loops! Great to hear from you. Thanks for the update.
I found similar with tryptophan re buildup and only needing a little .like 150mg out of a capsule of 500mg,..and dissolving easily. ..and then I only needed about 50mg before stopping altogether..and now just occasionally, like maybe a couple fo times a month at the lowest (50mg) dose .
Tyrosine was similar too..the 500mg dose must have gone all to dopamine in me.. as it sure felt like it., and maybe that would happened if one was also taking thryoid hormones ..so that path was filled up and I was low on iodine too, so thyroid hormone based tyrosine was more than filled up and maybe releasing some eventually too as no spare iodine to recycle it back to thryoid hormones..so all to dopamine. I figured that was why I had such a strong reaction to my500mg .... quite a few times.
I wouldn't take any more tyrosine ..at least maybe only 50mg too, as too much dopamine daily does BAD things re reducing dopamine receptors etc..and I even experienced that I thought.
It's really strange that aminos can be sooo powerful though.
I hate to think of some here who were megadosing and eating them on empty stomachs in food quantities..althoug I doubt some actually did..maybe just talked about it..I'm taking kelp now and its helping(probably as I was low on iodine) ..and injecting low dose B1 as well.. which I think also helps.
sorry raving on here..
just good to hear from you again
Posted by LOOPS on February 4, 2007, at 7:15:08
In reply to Re: yay - less taurine is more » LOOPS, posted by tealady on February 4, 2007, at 4:46:30
Hi tealady -
good to hear something is working for you - I take kelp powder sometimes or just try to eat lots of seafood (I'm not bothered about PCBs really - maybe I should be).
I can't take tyrosine either - makes me nuts. I have enough dopamine these days to drive an army - apart from at night when I conk out early (which is good I think - a real improvement for me).
About the dose - well, my diet is really high in animal products right now and I think I'm probably getting some taurine because of that anyway - BUT apparently heat does destroy this amino and I don't eat all raw meat etc!
When I was vegan a couple of years back (never ever ever ever again I can tell you) I was taking about 1g of taurine a day and feeling ok - but eventually that did build up on me as well. Taurine does indeed build up or is retained.
I'm still magnesiuming though - that is more important to me.
Tealady I do well with B1 as well - but recently I haven't seemed to need taking extra since I started on these 'food-grown' vitamins - very expensive but they seem to work well.
Loops
Posted by saturn on February 4, 2007, at 10:03:06
In reply to Re: yay - less taurine is more » LOOPS, posted by tealady on February 4, 2007, at 4:46:30
Posted by LOOPS on February 4, 2007, at 13:42:16
In reply to any harm from 1gram taurine/day? (nm), posted by saturn on February 4, 2007, at 10:03:06
no I wouldn't think so - just bear in mind that after a few days you may need to take a break from it or reduce doseage. You might find yourself feeling a little 'flat' for instance. That's what happened to me. I also got a bit feint.
Loops
Posted by danr49 on February 4, 2007, at 19:34:58
In reply to Re: any harm from 1gram taurine/day?, posted by LOOPS on February 4, 2007, at 13:42:16
People with major depressive disorder have been found to have higher than normal levels of taurine in the blood.
As far as the significance of this, I don't know.
But I just thought I'd let you know.
Posted by tealady on February 5, 2007, at 15:53:13
In reply to Re: yay - less taurine is more, posted by LOOPS on February 4, 2007, at 7:15:08
> Hi tealady -
>
> good to hear something is working for you - I take kelp powder sometimes or just try to eat lots of seafood (I'm not bothered about PCBs really - maybe I should be).
>
> I can't take tyrosine either - makes me nuts. I have enough dopamine these days to drive an army - apart from at night when I conk out early (which is good I think - a real improvement for me).
>
> About the dose - well, my diet is really high in animal products right now and I think I'm probably getting some taurine because of that anyway - BUT apparently heat does destroy this amino and I don't eat all raw meat etc!
>
> When I was vegan a couple of years back (never ever ever ever again I can tell you) I was taking about 1g of taurine a day and feeling ok - but eventually that did build up on me as well. Taurine does indeed build up or is retained.
>
> I'm still magnesiuming though - that is more important to me.
>
> Tealady I do well with B1 as well - but recently I haven't seemed to need taking extra since I started on these 'food-grown' vitamins - very expensive but they seem to work well.
>
> LoopsIf I could get my hands (mouth) on some fresh seafood, I'd much prefer that to kelp too :) I don't woory about the pcbs either. Isn't it from large fish mostly?
I like the idea of those food grown vitamins. I think there might be something it that .. all the supps I've gone well on seem "plant/animal".. like siberian ginseng, milk thistle, kelp?
I'm sure kelp is helping and yet KI and iodized salt didn't seem to.I'm not sure about lactoferrin(unless derived from whey?) or SAMe.. guess they wasn't based on a plant or animal and they were OK, so maybe not, and yet I think in general it seems to hold true for me. B1 would be another exception.. but I suspect that's because the Armour(pig's thyroid extract) was depleting B1 (just a hunch based on pig muscle having way more B1 than other animals)... and maybe I'm just lowish on it for some reason for starters so that just pushed me way too low?. Maybe some of us tend to be low genetically compared to others, but I think they haven't found anything like that as yet.
Mg helps the pentose pathway which is where B1 is also needed, so now I benefit more from Mg I suspect. I once tried over 8 grams of Mg, citrate I think it was? or it may just have been Mg CO3? I forget now, before having any effect on constipation. I recall feeling pretty desperate at the time and talking to TJ on the net while taking it :).. it was when I was trying iron an lecithin I think? but I can't find it now..
In Australia B1 isn't added to white rice, but they have started adding it to white flour in 1990's. In NZ its added to nothing yet as far as I know.. this is unlike to US and Canada.
I dont know what happens where you live.
I used to wonder why I felt bad after eating white rice but not brown rice.. really fatigued. I can now inject some B1 and eat white white:)
same with wine (where the sulfites deplete the B1).I've never heard of those food based vitamins you mention in Oz though?
Best wishes,
Jan
http://www.jantea.blog.co.uk
Posted by LOOPS on February 7, 2007, at 18:07:11
In reply to Re: yay - less taurine is more » LOOPS, posted by tealady on February 5, 2007, at 15:53:13
Hey tealady -
I keep coming across your blogspot when doing google searches! You're famous! I think because I'm researching the same things maybe you are interested in too.
A point of possible interest - my 'Ultra-40' liver tablets by Beverley Int. - once you can actually find the nutritional breakdown - contain a HUUUGE amount of B1 and B5 - which means I don't take too many of them and I have to take some kind of other B complex - if I remember correctly 1.4mg of B1 per tablet and 30mg B5 per tab. Now I know the B1 quantity doesn't sound like much, but for a 'natural' whole food product that is a lot - also you get a huge 500 tablet container of these things. I'm still going on my one I bought a year ago now, but I don't know how people manage to take lots of these a day (they *can be* quite energizing although sometimes they made me go to sleep very early (???)). Just a thought if you are looking for a natural source of B1.
I find if I am very very tired, lacking in sleep, or am under a lot of stress these tablets are pretty good and holding me up.
8gms of Mg???!!! OMG - that's a huge amount - and no diarrhea - wow - do you still take Mg now? I got bad diarrhea with Mg citrate but my sister does very well on it. Interestingly, when I went off travelling in Peru I found I could take a lot more Mg than at home; I didn't even need any calcium to balance - I just kept popping Mg and it took a lot to get me to 'go'. I think stress is huge with regard to Mg depletion.
Sorry this is off topic - I was recently investigating PGE-1 and GLA and the nutrients needed to produce them - which seem to also be the stuff I feel good on -
magnesium, zinc, B6, vitamin C.
But I add in B1 to that list, and also taurine. One of the reasons I think I like the 'whole food' vitamins, is maybe the B6 - because I think I might have trouble metabolizing pyridoxine (sp) into p5p. But then I've tried straight p5p and it didn't feel the same.
Regarding shipping - I live in Chile and order from betterlife.com - but then restrictions here aren't too bad - I seem to recall you having a problem with Australia? That's really crap if it's so.
The ones I buy are Garden of Life Multi - they are expensive but I don't take the full dose - sometimes I take a small amount of another 'regular' multi that is a 2-3 pills per day dose to cut down on cost.
I was interested in getting some New Chapter vitamins and in fact they should work out cheaper - the same idea - vitamins put into probiotic cultures to make high vitamin 'food' tablets. I am open minded about this stuff - but cost obviously is important I would rather spend less.
Loops
Posted by tealady on February 17, 2007, at 16:17:18
In reply to Re: yay - less taurine is more, posted by LOOPS on February 7, 2007, at 18:07:11
> Hey tealady -
>
> I keep coming across your blogspot when doing google searches! You're famous! I think because I'm researching the same things maybe you are interested in too.
>
> A point of possible interest - my 'Ultra-40' liver tablets by Beverley Int. - once you can actually find the nutritional breakdown - contain a HUUUGE amount of B1 and B5 - which means I don't take too many of them and I have to take some kind of other B complex - if I remember correctly 1.4mg of B1 per tablet and 30mg B5 per tab. Now I know the B1 quantity doesn't sound like much, but for a 'natural' whole food product that is a lot - also you get a huge 500 tablet container of these things. I'm still going on my one I bought a year ago now, but I don't know how people manage to take lots of these a day (they *can be* quite energizing although sometimes they made me go to sleep very early (???)). Just a thought if you are looking for a natural source of B1.
>
> I find if I am very very tired, lacking in sleep, or am under a lot of stress these tablets are pretty good and holding me up.
>
> 8gms of Mg???!!! OMG - that's a huge amount - and no diarrhea - wow - do you still take Mg now? I got bad diarrhea with Mg citrate but my sister does very well on it. Interestingly, when I went off travelling in Peru I found I could take a lot more Mg than at home; I didn't even need any calcium to balance - I just kept popping Mg and it took a lot to get me to 'go'. I think stress is huge with regard to Mg depletion.
>
> Sorry this is off topic - I was recently investigating PGE-1 and GLA and the nutrients needed to produce them - which seem to also be the stuff I feel good on -
>
> magnesium, zinc, B6, vitamin C.
>
> But I add in B1 to that list, and also taurine. One of the reasons I think I like the 'whole food' vitamins, is maybe the B6 - because I think I might have trouble metabolizing pyridoxine (sp) into p5p. But then I've tried straight p5p and it didn't feel the same.
>
> Regarding shipping - I live in Chile and order from betterlife.com - but then restrictions here aren't too bad - I seem to recall you having a problem with Australia? That's really crap if it's so.
>
> The ones I buy are Garden of Life Multi - they are expensive but I don't take the full dose - sometimes I take a small amount of another 'regular' multi that is a 2-3 pills per day dose to cut down on cost.
>
> I was interested in getting some New Chapter vitamins and in fact they should work out cheaper - the same idea - vitamins put into probiotic cultures to make high vitamin 'food' tablets. I am open minded about this stuff - but cost obviously is important I would rather spend less.
>
> Loopsnot really famous Loops, but I hope someone might find somethiing useful there.. one day maybe:-)
thanks for the info..I'll look into itJan
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