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Posted by toduar on September 1, 2007, at 0:14:53
I am a long time lurker/researcher here and just started posting. I have had depression, anxiety, OCD, FM, schizotypal..blahblah for most of my life.
I'm sure that i am like alot of you in that my personal lab (kitchen) looks like an f**ing vitamine store. :^)
I'm sure that the mechanisms of my condition are much more complicated than this (which I am researching in tandem ie testosterone/estrogen/cortisol, thyroid, pyrolls, blahblah..)
but this is such a huge breakthru for me that i wanted to share it. I experienced the first peace/happinesss/enjoyment that I have experienced in the longest time. (Total thanks to Linkadge for his inspiring posts..)
Its short acting (maybe 2-3 hrs.) and there is a huge possibility of a poopout, but it has been a source of hope for me in my ability to enjoy life.
(the following is all pretty much dopaminergic)
I have tried all of these at one time or another seprately, but the synergistic effects seem to be important. I have used this formula for the last 3 days and the difference from when i wake up to when i take this formula is like night and day within 20 minutes.
here is the formula:
(all items taken sublingually held for 30 sec.)
Fo-Ti (2 capsules, Natures Way) (MAO-B inhibitor)
Vitex (2 capsules, Natures Way) (D2 Agonist)
P-5-P 50 mg. chewed up (active B6 L-DOPA to Dopamine conversion)
Mucuna Puriens 200 mg. (40% L-DOPA)secondary:
CoQ10 (1 capsule, 100 mg. may enhance mucuna)
Evening Primrose Oil (1300 mg.)
Feverfew (1 dropperful 1:5 extract, 5HT2a antagonist)
PEA (phenelethlamine probably 20 mg. - one finger tip licked and dipped..)tertiary:
wine (several glasses - this is independant of the experiment, but enhances it..(i[m pretty hidgh right now.])please keep in mind your own biochemistry.
but i hope this helps some one in need.Toduar
Posted by toduar on September 1, 2007, at 0:28:36
In reply to My MillionDollar Formula, posted by toduar on September 1, 2007, at 0:14:53
also things to avoid durring experiment (again, for me personally)
Vit C (converts Dopamine to NE)
Methyl donors (SAMe, methionine, DMAE, etc)
acetycholine enhancers (choline, dmae, b5, etc.)
Posted by JLx on September 2, 2007, at 10:09:03
In reply to My MillionDollar Formula, posted by toduar on September 1, 2007, at 0:14:53
Congratulations on finding a successful formula!
Do you mean that you put all that stuff under your tongue, including dry herbs??
I read that glutamine under the tongue worked fast for sugar craving and tried it recently. Yuck. It did not dissolve.
And crunching up P-5-P? Yuck again, although I admire your determination. :)
JL
> I am a long time lurker/researcher here and just started posting. I have had depression, anxiety, OCD, FM, schizotypal..blahblah for most of my life.
>
> I'm sure that i am like alot of you in that my personal lab (kitchen) looks like an f**ing vitamine store. :^)
>
> I'm sure that the mechanisms of my condition are much more complicated than this (which I am researching in tandem ie testosterone/estrogen/cortisol, thyroid, pyrolls, blahblah..)
>
> but this is such a huge breakthru for me that i wanted to share it. I experienced the first peace/happinesss/enjoyment that I have experienced in the longest time. (Total thanks to Linkadge for his inspiring posts..)
>
> Its short acting (maybe 2-3 hrs.) and there is a huge possibility of a poopout, but it has been a source of hope for me in my ability to enjoy life.
>
> (the following is all pretty much dopaminergic)
>
> I have tried all of these at one time or another seprately, but the synergistic effects seem to be important. I have used this formula for the last 3 days and the difference from when i wake up to when i take this formula is like night and day within 20 minutes.
>
> here is the formula:
>
> (all items taken sublingually held for 30 sec.)
>
> Fo-Ti (2 capsules, Natures Way) (MAO-B inhibitor)
> Vitex (2 capsules, Natures Way) (D2 Agonist)
> P-5-P 50 mg. chewed up (active B6 L-DOPA to Dopamine conversion)
> Mucuna Puriens 200 mg. (40% L-DOPA)
>
> secondary:
> CoQ10 (1 capsule, 100 mg. may enhance mucuna)
> Evening Primrose Oil (1300 mg.)
> Feverfew (1 dropperful 1:5 extract, 5HT2a antagonist)
> PEA (phenelethlamine probably 20 mg. - one finger tip licked and dipped..)
>
> tertiary:
> wine (several glasses - this is independant of the experiment, but enhances it..(i[m pretty hidgh right now.])
>
> please keep in mind your own biochemistry.
> but i hope this helps some one in need.
>
> Toduar
>
>
>
Posted by toduar on September 2, 2007, at 11:28:49
In reply to Re: My MillionDollar Formula » toduar, posted by JLx on September 2, 2007, at 10:09:03
> Congratulations on finding a successful formula!
>
> Do you mean that you put all that stuff under your tongue, including dry herbs??
>
> I read that glutamine under the tongue worked fast for sugar craving and tried it recently. Yuck. It did not dissolve.
>
> And crunching up P-5-P? Yuck again, although I admire your determination. :)
>
> JLYeah, everything under the tongue. the worst is the FO-TI. It tastes like shredded tree bark + dirt. I take most everything under the tongue now (at least for my experiments). I'm pretty chemically sensitive i guess, cause i can usually feel the effects of some item or combo right away, within minutes. it makes for some pretty effecient experimentation, but also for some pretty wild rollercoaster rides :)
(for the record, I was experimenting with L-Arginine last night, and its the worst tasting thing ever. it tastes like fermented fish heads, and it burned my tongue).toduar
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