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Posted by verne on November 1, 2005, at 23:40:50
I was flipping through the channels yesterday and paused on CSPAN to listen to former ambassador Joe Wilson's talk before the National Press Club (I think) Normally I would last about 2 minutes but I couldn't change the channel.
I was really struck by how articulate and genuine he was. In contrast to everything I had heard about him in the press - fox news etc... Buchannan had said that Wilson was a "liar" and "night and day" from Libby when it came to credibility - yet I was really impressed at his humility and sincerity.
CSPAN will probably rebroadcast this several times in the coming weeks.
Verne
Posted by caraher on November 2, 2005, at 14:04:28
In reply to Joe Wilson, posted by verne on November 1, 2005, at 23:40:50
> I was really struck by how articulate and genuine he was. In contrast to everything I had heard about him in the press - fox news etc... Buchannan had said that Wilson was a "liar" and "night and day" from Libby when it came to credibility - yet I was really impressed at his humility and sincerity.Buchanan had the "night and day" part absolutely correct, though he had who was which mixed up. The current practice of the administration and the media who defer to him has been to smear the messenger, and this has happened time and time again - to Paul O'Neill, to Richard Clarke - people who one day are respectable members of the government and the next portrayed as pathological liars.
I respect conservatives, but I think a traditional American political conservative ought to view the Bush administration more as radicals than conservatives. They are "conservative" on certain social issues but beyond that stand for US interventionism abroad, fiscal irresponsibility and a federal government growing not only larger but more and more intrusive. Calling the Geneva conventions "quaint," playing word games to justify torture, running record deficits, launching "pre-emptive" wars and pushing for greater government surveillance powers through diminished expectations of privacy and high-tech national identity card standards are not the actions of a truly conservative government. Conservatives would rightly be up in arms against a Democrat presiding over such moves, and I'm sure that well-informed, principled conservatives oppose these aspects of the Bush record.
Unfortunately, I think many of those who would make this principled stand are not ill-informed so much as actively misinformed. I'm glad you caught a glimpse of CSPAN, operating outside the Bush camp's "filter."
Posted by Declan on November 2, 2005, at 20:24:41
In reply to Re: Joe Wilson, posted by caraher on November 2, 2005, at 14:04:28
I agree caraher, the current administration is radical, not conservative as I understood the term (Edmund Bourke sort of conservative). The political landscape has shifted. But it shouldn't matter so much, the issue is one of character and morality isn't it? Compare Bush with McCain for example (even though I know so little about him).
Declan
Posted by lil' jimi on November 6, 2005, at 16:33:59
In reply to Joe Wilson, posted by verne on November 1, 2005, at 23:40:50
you observed:
> I was really struck by how articulate and genuine he was. In contrast to everything I had heard about him in the press - fox news etc... Buchannan had said that Wilson was a "liar" and "night and day" from Libby when it came to credibility - yet I was really impressed at his humility and sincerity.Joe Wilson has all the credibility in the world and fux news has none.
see
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/28/60minutes/main994753.shtmland
and
http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/10/19/142419/59Joe Wilson is an honest patriot and is being attacked because his credibility threatens those opposing an honest evaluation of the deceit about iraqi WMDs.
Posted by lil' jimi on November 8, 2005, at 12:55:16
In reply to Joe Wilson, posted by verne on November 1, 2005, at 23:40:50
please, see:
"The 'Swift Boating' of Ambassador Joe Wilson over Rove-Treason-Gate"
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/11/republicans-now-trying-to-swift-boat.htmlsomeone wants to keep Joe Wilson's voice from being heard.
Posted by verne on November 8, 2005, at 18:34:13
In reply to Re: Joe Wilson » verne, posted by lil' jimi on November 8, 2005, at 12:55:16
Good article. Also liked the slogan, "Treason's Greetings".
I've always thought the exposure of a covert CIA agent amounts to treason. Isn't that sort of what Benedict Arnold did?
Besides all the lives put at risk, our enemies will never look at an ambassador's wife the same again.
Verne
Posted by lil' jimi on November 9, 2005, at 12:44:38
In reply to Swift Boating of Joe Wilson » lil' jimi, posted by verne on November 8, 2005, at 18:34:13
hey Verne,
please, check out
Is It Treason? at http://www.newleaderscouncil.org/ist/overview.php
http://www.thinkprogress.org/leak-rebuttal
http://foi.missouri.edu/iipa/treason.html
http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/2005/07/treasongate-controlling-law-big.html
http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/2005/08/treasongate-controlling-law-part-2.htmlit's not the obstruction of justice.
it's not the perjury.
it's not the coverup.
those are just the stalling tactics.it's the treason.
it is called TreasonGate (aka TraitorGate) for valid reasons."In honor of those members
of the Central Intelligence Agency
who gave their lives in service to their country."
http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/2005_10_09_firedoglake_archive.html#112908992734723006
and, by the way, the stalling tactics worked:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/31/AR2005103101386_pf.html
and these explains why the senate select committee on intelligence's report discredited wilson:
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2005/10/about_the_paper.html#more
http://nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2005/1027nj1.htm#on the scale of "high crimes and misdemeanors", this trumps lying about a dozen acts of felatio with a consenting adult.
get your snark on now.
it is going to be a cold winter, Verne.~ jim
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