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Posted by thistlethorn on July 14, 2004, at 8:37:02
An informative article appeared in the New York Times yesterday about DBT: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/13/health/psychology/13ther.html
(You may be asked to register at the site before you are allowed to view the article, but there's no charge to do so.)
Posted by terrics on July 14, 2004, at 16:07:51
In reply to DBT-NY Times article, posted by thistlethorn on July 14, 2004, at 8:37:02
Hi, I read the article. It is extremely accurate. The only thing that was left out was the real reason for success: The patients at this point really have no other choice. Like the woman in the beginning said...It is this or death. If anyone thinks this therapy is easy, forget it. I feel a thousand times worse when I leave there and now think of suicide and cutting,instead of just cutting. Today I am trying to be creative as I already have the knife out. I thought I could melt shavings of red candles onto a rag or a towel and perhaps listen to some music. Or even put the rag on my lap with clothes on so I do not get burned. Part of the satisfaction I get from cutting is watching the bleeding. I hope this is not too close to the actual thing. Thanks for pointing out the article. terrics
Posted by daisym on July 14, 2004, at 16:23:14
In reply to Re: DBT-NY Times article**** » thistlethorn, posted by terrics on July 14, 2004, at 16:07:51
Terrics,
I just want to hug you really hard and stop you from hurting yourself. Your pain is tangible and I feel helpless and frustrated about being limited as I reach out.
You matter to us. I know you are having such a rough time of it. But please know how much I care and want you to be safe. I wish I knew more what to say.
(((Terrics)))
Posted by Dinah on July 14, 2004, at 16:24:18
In reply to DBT-NY Times article, posted by thistlethorn on July 14, 2004, at 8:37:02
I suspect I'd get the most out of DBT if it was tought from the standpoint that it is a set of useful skills to learn. Same as CBT.
Where I got into trouble with CBT (and I'll bet DBT is similar) is when it is the entire therapy, almost a religion.
Although I might well like it if I had Linehan herself as a therapist. I've seen her tapes, and while they're a bit simplistic, she also has a very nice sense of humor and radiates calm.
Posted by Ilene on July 14, 2004, at 17:51:37
In reply to DBT-NY Times article, posted by thistlethorn on July 14, 2004, at 8:37:02
I really liked this article, even though I have no experience with DBT. There was little input from patients, which I thought was odd. Also, the documented success has been in keeping patients alive and out of the hospital. The article even says, "Nor is it clear from the studies how much better people who receive the therapy actually feel, day to day, once the treatment has ended."
So, how effective is DBT for people with ordinary depression or anxiety, who aren't self-injurers or constantly suicidal?
Posted by Dinah on July 14, 2004, at 19:10:58
In reply to Re: DBT-NY Times article, posted by Ilene on July 14, 2004, at 17:51:37
I've read studies that say that DBT patients show no appreciable improvement in the way they subjectively *feel*, only in the way they react to how they feel.
Posted by fallsfall on July 14, 2004, at 19:24:25
In reply to Re: DBT-NY Times article » Ilene, posted by Dinah on July 14, 2004, at 19:10:58
I did 6 months of DBT Skills training. I found it valuable. It helped me gain skills I needed to handle the crises safely.
However, I have since switched to Psychodynamic therapy. I felt that I needed something to address the issues, rather than just something to address the symptoms.
Posted by terrics on July 14, 2004, at 21:54:40
In reply to POSSIBLE TRIGGER ABOVE, posted by daisym on July 14, 2004, at 16:23:14
thanks Daisy. and while I am at it I may as well say I don't think DBT is for everyone. I think it can be quite dangerous if the patient cannot take some criticism..actually alot of criticism. Borderlines are fragile and notoriously suicidal. thanks for listening terrics
Posted by Elle2021 on July 15, 2004, at 1:56:50
In reply to Re: DBT-NY Times article**** » thistlethorn, posted by terrics on July 14, 2004, at 16:07:51
Hi Terrics,
I'm sad to hear that you are feeling bad. You were the first one to welcome me back here and you made me feel so happy and cared for. I hope I can do the same for you. I wish I could be right next to you and be right there to help you get through all this. I know how unfun it all is. I know what cutting is like. Please be careful. Let me know how you are feeling.
Elle
Posted by terrics on July 15, 2004, at 6:02:20
In reply to Re: DBT-NY Times article**** » terrics, posted by Elle2021 on July 15, 2004, at 1:56:50
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