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Posted by AuntieMel on July 21, 2004, at 10:11:40
In reply to Re: Dear Shadows, posted by fires on July 20, 2004, at 13:27:20
I'm one of the champions. We all need to take a step back and take a deep breath.
I realize that you have had a long history of really bad experiences with therapy and this affects your opinion of therapy as a whole, but:
The 99% statememt could be taken as an invalidation of other peoples treatments. They are doing what they think is right for them and thats a good thing in my book.
So, instead of making what seemed to me (and others) as a blanket harsh statement, maybe a bit more about how you came to that opinion (personal experience) would make it come across a bit better.
Glad you're back
Posted by fires on July 21, 2004, at 15:46:28
In reply to Re: Dear Shadows » fires, posted by AuntieMel on July 21, 2004, at 10:11:40
>>They are doing what they think is right for them and thats a good thing in my book.<<
And I am doing what I think is right for me, which does not include belonging to a group on which multiple ids are tolerated, and which posters are allowed to change the thread name to what they want, rather than what the thread originator wanted.
bye
Posted by AuntieMel on July 21, 2004, at 16:23:29
In reply to Re: Dear Shadows, posted by fires on July 21, 2004, at 15:46:28
Ouch. I'm trying to be your friend here, but I don't know you well enough to know how to watch what I say.
Well, actually, people aren't allowed to post under more than one name at a time. If caught they will get blocked. And Dr. Bob does check.
It is allowed to change your posting name, but is strongly, strongly encouraged to tell folks that you used to post under another name. A reason doesn't have to be stated, but it is preferred.
People will often put a different phrase in the subject line if they are addressing just one part of a post. It helps to know what is going on if not all responses have the same title.
But if it goes off topic and it looks like it will stay there, then another thread should be started.
Now back on topic.....I don't think that it was a 'small' step for you. Taking charge of your treatment like that seems to me to be a huge deal.
Good luck. I'm here a few times a day - on weekdays (my home machine is in the room my son uses and is rarely available).
Posted by Susan47 on July 21, 2004, at 16:33:35
In reply to Re: Off topic digressions, multiple ids » fires, posted by AuntieMel on July 21, 2004, at 16:23:29
I hope you can deal with all your hostility in an effective way; this board is not the place to do that.
We need support, not your criticism.
Posted by AuntieMel on July 21, 2004, at 16:39:06
In reply to Fires, posted by Susan47 on July 21, 2004, at 16:33:35
Thanks for sticking up for me (grin) A big thumbs up for that.
I think we all need support, though, even fires. He's obviously had some bad experiences.
Thanks again
Mel
Posted by Susan47 on July 21, 2004, at 16:47:54
In reply to Re: Fires » Susan47, posted by AuntieMel on July 21, 2004, at 16:39:06
...and thanks for reminding me. I don't think anyone is out to fool anyone else here; we're meant to support each other and I'd like to support Fires but I definitely don't want to have hostility thrown at me in the process.
I guess that's my real concern; I feel very badly about what Fires must be going through.
Posted by fires on July 21, 2004, at 17:21:47
In reply to Re: Off topic digressions, multiple ids » fires, posted by AuntieMel on July 21, 2004, at 16:23:29
I really do intend to cease posting here in the near future.:) There are far too many using multiple names (in my opinion, which is based on careful reading of posts). Also, users not only change the thread name, but they use it to post messages. Just a thread name with no other message. I find it annoying.
I leave you with a pithy quote for the psychobabblers: "if all one has is a hammer, all one sees is nails."
Bye,
Posted by fires on July 21, 2004, at 17:24:59
In reply to Fires, posted by Susan47 on July 21, 2004, at 16:33:35
**I** find your logic bizarre. Criticism can be the best form of support at times. No? Also, I've been less than hostile, compared to the flaming I've withstood here.
Thanks
Posted by gardenergirl on July 21, 2004, at 23:48:21
In reply to Re: Off topic digressions, multiple ids, posted by fires on July 21, 2004, at 17:21:47
Fires,
I'm sorry that Babble conventions are not to your liking. But I agree with others that modifying the subject line to further clarify what your post is about is helpful, especially if the initial post subject line is a broad topic, such as "transference". And I find nm posts to be convenient, as I don't have to open a window to read something that is short enough to stay in the subject line. I am not as familiar with the posting conventions of other sites, but Babble is flexible enough for me to be comfortable. I am sorry it appears to be too flexible for you.Your comment about multiple ID's is intriguing. I admit, I am not as good as others at picking out what is a similar enough style in posting to determine that the posters are the same person. Frankly that would take up too much mental energy for me. Although I do wonder if some of the posters you believe to be the same person are just different people with similar points of view.
Wouldn't it be weird, though, if all of Babble were in actuality all one person, except for you? Gives you something to think about.
Regards,
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on July 21, 2004, at 23:50:54
In reply to Re: Off topic digressions, multiple ids » fires, posted by gardenergirl on July 21, 2004, at 23:48:21
I meant to add that perhaps you could consider posting your dislike of subject line use on Babble Admin, where discussions about Babble itself take place, and Dr. Bob participates more frequently.
gg
Posted by gabbix2 on July 22, 2004, at 1:21:54
In reply to Re: Off topic digressions, multiple ids » fires, posted by gardenergirl on July 21, 2004, at 23:48:21
You are gg and I'm Gabbix2 sometimes I sign off
gx2 hmmmmmmmmmmmm? Are you me?You ARE a therapist, and I desperately need one ;0
Posted by gardenergirl on July 22, 2004, at 10:19:45
In reply to Re: Off topic digressions, multiple ids » gardenergirl, posted by gabbix2 on July 22, 2004, at 1:21:54
Posted by AuntieMel on July 22, 2004, at 10:24:23
In reply to Re: Off topic digressions, multiple ids, posted by fires on July 21, 2004, at 17:21:47
I would really like to discuss why you think there are multiple ids for the same person. I saw one place where you thought TexasChic and JenStar might be the same person based on the capital letters in the names. I guess by that logic, I would be another id of the same person. Which I find amusing in a way because I've disagreed on some things with them. (hmmm - did I post it? I don't remember.) Actually I'm a programmer by trade and the caps just come naturally.
So, to introduce myself, I am female, just turned 50, live the "perfect" suburban life - kids, pets, the works. I have also been depressed longer than I can remember, but I know it started when I was a kid. About 2 years ago it became major depression and I'm just now beginning to come out of it. I take a med cocktail, and go to therapy because the dual approach is supposed to work best. But I get less out of therapy than others because I tend to work on a logical level, not an emotional one.
And, interestingly, I am also from Texas, though I believe TexasChic is from north Texas and I live near the coast.
I also am cursed by being able to see more than one side to any issue. Possibly why I'm inserting myself into this.
And, I have a lot in my toolbox besides hammers.
So, folks here are extending an olive branch. Could you maybe meet it half way? Please? We don't all have to agree, but detante would be good. What has happened has happened.
Mel
Posted by fires on July 22, 2004, at 10:39:09
In reply to Re: Off topic digressions, multiple ids » fires, posted by gardenergirl on July 21, 2004, at 23:48:21
Notice how many times the subject line of my post got changed. also, how far afield it got from my original subject line. Also, follow some of the posts by persons who say one thing to one poster than say another , to another. (180 degrees opposite).
I'm curious, don't some people have other things to do besides reply to posts all day long?
Thanks
Posted by fires on July 22, 2004, at 10:40:52
In reply to Re: Off topic digressions, multiple ids, posted by gardenergirl on July 21, 2004, at 23:50:54
No thanks. The tide is against me, as witnessed by threads that change topic with each new post.
Posted by fires on July 22, 2004, at 10:42:13
In reply to Re: Off topic digressions, multiple ids » gardenergirl, posted by gabbix2 on July 22, 2004, at 1:21:54
What? Please translate your cryptic message.
Posted by fires on July 22, 2004, at 11:00:59
In reply to Re: Off topic digressions, multiple ids » fires, posted by AuntieMel on July 22, 2004, at 10:24:23
The olive branch you mention comes with a price: to confess that I am "toubled" by some mysterious problem!?
As Popeye said: "That's all I can stand I can't stands no more." Until my next post on the hazards of Therapy (for newbies).
bye
Posted by AuntieMel on July 22, 2004, at 13:57:39
In reply to Re: Off topic digressions, multiple ids, posted by fires on July 22, 2004, at 10:39:09
I'm going to try to answer your four posts. Pardon me if I don't hit everything. The brain is a bit fuzzy today. Added a new med to the cocktail yesterday.
And please understand that sometime things don't read (typed) the way the writer intended. I am really trying to have a conversation with you, not be argumentative.
-------------You are right - the subject line did change a lot. It happens in all the threads. Folks tend to change them when their post speaks to one particular part of the one they are replying to.
Or direct them to one person (although anyone can read them) if they want to say "thank your" or something like that to that person.I personally think changing the subject line can be a good thing. It would be really hard to follow if it stayed the same through - say - 75 to 100 replies. I find it hard enough to focus anyway. Sometimes threads do "branch" naturally, with the original post being the starting point.
And I would have answered your original post with a hearty congratulations if I had seen it. I was off early on Friday - I think, and only have access to computer at work right now.
As for contradictory messages - I really haven't seen any serious ones. But I know my opinions change with my moods - and depression *is* a mood disorder.
No, the olive branch has no conditions. And I'm not asking you to admit anything that isn't true. And some of the hazards of therapy that you talked about really resonated with me and others didn't. And that's ok As I've read over and over here "your milage may vary"
What I've been advocating is a cease-fire. Put aside (you can never truly forget - without ECT) any hurts you have experienced here and some of the folks around here want to do the same. If it works well - and I've no reason to think it won't - then maybe a full peace will come.
cryptic message: I think it was a bit of light heartedness about the multiple id thing. No harm intended.
Peace
Mel
Posted by gardenergirl on July 22, 2004, at 14:05:34
In reply to Re: Off topic digressions, multiple ids, posted by fires on July 22, 2004, at 10:42:13
fires,
I believe Gabbi's post was directed to me as she used the add name as previous poster button, and I agree with Aunt Mel that it was in lighthearted spirit.Regards,
gg
Posted by gabbix2 on July 22, 2004, at 14:20:26
In reply to Re: Off topic digressions, multiple ids » fires, posted by gardenergirl on July 22, 2004, at 14:05:34
It was indeed light hearted, thanks for assuming the best :)
Posted by Larry Hoover on July 22, 2004, at 16:15:38
In reply to Re: Off topic digressions, multiple ids, posted by fires on July 22, 2004, at 10:39:09
Some observations....
> Notice how many times the subject line of my post got changed.
Nobody changed the subject line of your post. It's still the same, and it's still at the top of this thread. People changed the subject line of their own posts. It's a simple matter to change it back, if it's important to you.
> also, how far afield it got from my original subject line.
Like you, right now?
> Also, follow some of the posts by persons who say one thing to one poster than say another , to another. (180 degrees opposite).
Don't read posters who trouble you, maybe?
> I'm curious, don't some people have other things to do besides reply to posts all day long?
>
> Thanks19 out of about 52 of all the posts in this thread are yours.
Posted by partlycloudy on July 22, 2004, at 17:12:17
In reply to Re: Off topic digressions, multiple ids » fires, posted by Larry Hoover on July 22, 2004, at 16:15:38
Ooh Larry, that last one - truth hurts sometimes.
Posted by TexasChic on July 22, 2004, at 18:25:55
In reply to Re: Off topic digressions, multiple ids, posted by fires on July 22, 2004, at 10:39:09
> I'm curious, don't some people have other things to do besides reply to posts all day long?<
That statement led me to feel, as Dr Bob would say, put down.
Posted by partlycloudy on July 22, 2004, at 18:36:31
In reply to Re: Off topic digressions, multiple ids » fires, posted by TexasChic on July 22, 2004, at 18:25:55
Well gosh - me too! That is not civil at all!!
Posted by chemist on July 22, 2004, at 19:37:31
In reply to Re: Off topic digressions, multiple ids » TexasChic, posted by partlycloudy on July 22, 2004, at 18:36:31
> Well gosh - me too! That is not civil at all!!
hello there, chemist here...i rarely wander over to this side of babbleland...i, too, feel a bit hurt by the statement referred to by TexasChic and partlycloudy. given the breadth of maladies we are all working through, i can hardly think anything better than replying to posts if one has something positive to contribute, be it words of comfort, some scientific mumbo-jumbo, or another form of support. finally, i am forced to ask of the ubiquitous poster with the nom de plume ``fires:'' do you, sir, not have anything better to do all day than submit posts ad nauseum? respectfully, chemist
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