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Posted by fleeting flutterby on June 22, 2009, at 13:43:02
I hope those that have posted or are interested in posting about CBT, DBT and other therapies will feel they are welcome to do so here.
I think I, and probably many others that lurk and some that post, would benefit widely from other experiences and insights on various types of therapies in addition to psychodynamic. I think, for me, 20% psychodynamic and the rest(80%) various types of behavioral/cognitive changes-- would be an ideal mix, in my case that is. I was stunted in every way by early childhood trauma, abuse and neglect so I really need to improve in all areas. (thinking, behavior, relationship etc...) and I also need some things that psychodynamic therapy can provide.
The therapist I'm seeing now seems to do a bit of everything, at least i think so. We work on my knee jerk reactions, and where they come from, how to work through them and I've been able to understand a few so well that I'm able to stop the "reaction" before it starts. Doesnt that seem like we are doing several kinds of therapies?? We look at way past- then current- and how to cope in productive ways with the present and future. I've not been encouraged to be dependant-- I have zero outside contact with T. unless there is a real dire emergency-- like when my son was in the hospital. I am expected to use what I've learned so far-- in 16 months-- to cope inbetween sessions. This I figure is CBT and not psychodynamic. Seems psychodynamic encourages dependance(is that right?) and that for me would have a never ending cycle! But-- I do need to look back at my childhood in order to understand where dysfunctions are rooted and why some are such very strong roots. (I dissociate and so things can get foggy) without that background understanding, I don't think CBT would work for me.
What I'm trying to say-- probably quite scattered-- is that I think that a mix of therapies is a good way to go for many. And I hope those that have varying experiences and knowledge will continue to post here so I and many others can see that there is more than one way to "fold a napkin". ;o) (ummmm yea, I tend to word things differently-- welcome to my schizo-world) :o)
wishing all a good day
flutterby-mandy
Posted by SLS on June 22, 2009, at 18:40:11
In reply to More than just one therapy......., posted by fleeting flutterby on June 22, 2009, at 13:43:02
> I hope those that have posted or are interested in posting about CBT, DBT and other therapies will feel they are welcome to do so here.
>
> I think I, and probably many others that lurk and some that post, would benefit widely from other experiences and insights on various types of therapies in addition to psychodynamic. I think, for me, 20% psychodynamic and the rest(80%) various types of behavioral/cognitive changes-- would be an ideal mix, in my case that is. I was stunted in every way by early childhood trauma, abuse and neglect so I really need to improve in all areas. (thinking, behavior, relationship etc...) and I also need some things that psychodynamic therapy can provide.
>
> The therapist I'm seeing now seems to do a bit of everything, at least i think so. We work on my knee jerk reactions, and where they come from, how to work through them and I've been able to understand a few so well that I'm able to stop the "reaction" before it starts. Doesnt that seem like we are doing several kinds of therapies?? We look at way past- then current- and how to cope in productive ways with the present and future. I've not been encouraged to be dependant-- I have zero outside contact with T. unless there is a real dire emergency-- like when my son was in the hospital. I am expected to use what I've learned so far-- in 16 months-- to cope inbetween sessions. This I figure is CBT and not psychodynamic. Seems psychodynamic encourages dependance(is that right?) and that for me would have a never ending cycle! But-- I do need to look back at my childhood in order to understand where dysfunctions are rooted and why some are such very strong roots. (I dissociate and so things can get foggy) without that background understanding, I don't think CBT would work for me.
>
> What I'm trying to say-- probably quite scattered-- is that I think that a mix of therapies is a good way to go for many. And I hope those that have varying experiences and knowledge will continue to post here so I and many others can see that there is more than one way to "fold a napkin". ;o) (ummmm yea, I tend to word things differently-- welcome to my schizo-world) :o)
>
> wishing all a good day
>
> flutterby-mandy
It's like winning the lottery to find one therapist who incorporates many different therapeutic modalities in their treatments. After all, which is more important: supporting the patient or supporting a therapeutic paradigm?
- Scott
Posted by Dinah on June 22, 2009, at 19:03:41
In reply to More than just one therapy......., posted by fleeting flutterby on June 22, 2009, at 13:43:02
I was asking my therapist this last session. I had always thought of him as a CBT therapist with the wisdom to wrap it in a nice relationship based therapy for my benefit. Although there is also strong dose of eastern philosophy.
But he says that his first job was with a very psychodynamic therapist, his second with a family systems therapist, and then CBT and I believe addictions. So he calls himself the ubiquitous "eclectic".
He never uses the CBT standard terminology with me... anymore. He says it's more important that the message be heard than it is to say the message in a certain way. Which is his nice way of saying I was way too hardheaded for straight CBT. The emphasis is on current functioning, but inevitably history played a role in molding my current responses, and deserves a role in fine tuning them.
Posted by Phillipa on June 23, 2009, at 0:08:43
In reply to Re: More than just one therapy....... » fleeting flutterby, posted by Dinah on June 22, 2009, at 19:03:41
I liked it when my old pdoc an OD before got pysch degree used to spend an hour with me and we talked. About lots of issues. Had other docs in the past who were the same. So talking docs. What's that then? Love Phillipa
Posted by SLS on June 23, 2009, at 4:57:40
In reply to Re: More than just one therapy....... » fleeting flutterby, posted by Dinah on June 22, 2009, at 19:03:41
> I was asking my therapist this last session. I had always thought of him as a CBT therapist with the wisdom to wrap it in a nice relationship based therapy for my benefit. Although there is also strong dose of eastern philosophy.
>
> But he says that his first job was with a very psychodynamic therapist, his second with a family systems therapist, and then CBT and I believe addictions. So he calls himself the ubiquitous "eclectic".
>
> He never uses the CBT standard terminology with me... anymore. He says it's more important that the message be heard than it is to say the message in a certain way. Which is his nice way of saying I was way too hardheaded for straight CBT. The emphasis is on current functioning, but inevitably history played a role in molding my current responses, and deserves a role in fine tuning them.He sounds excellent.
For me, I find IPT works for me and is my best use of a psychotherapist's time. However, it is CBT that I take with me and use all day long. I had already learned CBT on my own and later in a group environment. If you haven't learned it by the time you reach a psychotherapist, I think it is preferable to have a therapist who can teach it, as it often jump-starts the therapeutic process.
I saw a group CBT setting work wonders for a woman with BPD who had no other psychotherapeutic modality as a treatment. Zyprexa and Trileptal were very helpful pharmacological tools for her, but only allowed her to do the psychological work necessary to grow out of her BPD issues.
- Scott
Posted by Dinah on June 23, 2009, at 7:05:01
In reply to Re: More than just one therapy......., posted by SLS on June 23, 2009, at 4:57:40
I've always thought CBT and DBT should be taught in school. It's a very valuable skill set.
Posted by fleeting flutterby on June 23, 2009, at 9:30:28
In reply to Re: More than just one therapy......., posted by SLS on June 22, 2009, at 18:40:11
> It's like winning the lottery to find one therapist who incorporates many different therapeutic modalities in their treatments.<<---flutterby: Yes it is!
>> After all, which is more important: supporting the patient or supporting a therapeutic paradigm?
>
>
> - Scott<<---flutterby: Exactly! isn't there an oath they have to take-- "do no harm".?? (or is that just for MD doctors).... *shrugs*...
Posted by fleeting flutterby on June 23, 2009, at 9:50:54
In reply to Re: More than just one therapy....... » fleeting flutterby, posted by Dinah on June 22, 2009, at 19:03:41
> But he says that his first job was with a very psychodynamic therapist, his second with a family systems therapist, and then CBT and I believe addictions. So he calls himself the ubiquitous "eclectic".<<
----flutterby: I think "eclectic" is the best kind of therapy. (IMO)
>
> He never uses the CBT standard terminology with me... anymore. He says it's more important that the message be heard than it is to say the message in a certain way.<<---flutterby: Yea, that makes sense.
>> Which is his nice way of saying I was way too hardheaded for straight CBT.<<
--flutterby: hmmmm... you think so? I think it could also mean that some are quite fragile(like me) and can benefit from things worded in gentler ways.(that's how I interpret psychodynamic therapy-- touchy feely stuff, "my mother beat me, my father was absent--I'm so sad" and then the therapist says-- "well lets talk about that". whereas-- in strict CBT the focus would be on doing things today that would turn the sadness to happiness - which can be good-- to learn to do things that change ones focus to positive, but can also invalidate the "child mind" that is still injured. that's why I am thinking "eclectic" therapy may work best for certain people-- maybe even most people?)
>>The emphasis is on current functioning, but inevitably history played a role in molding my current responses, and deserves a role in fine tuning them.<<
----flutterby: Yea, I agree. in my case the "fine tuning" seems to be a "major overhaul" *sigh*......... (never thought I'd be told by educated people, that my thinking is all off..... i thought I was always right on the mark in the way I think/behave)
Posted by fleeting flutterby on June 23, 2009, at 10:00:27
In reply to Re: More than just one therapy......., posted by Phillipa on June 23, 2009, at 0:08:43
> I liked it when my old pdoc an OD before got pysch degree used to spend an hour with me and we talked. About lots of issues. Had other docs in the past who were the same. So talking docs. What's that then? Love Phillipa<<
---flutterby: hmmmmm.... what would that be? I'm not sure-- probably more on the lines of psychodynamic than CBT. if you weren't given "homework" and not advised as to how to change your thinking then it was probably some kind of psychodynamic therapy, maybe? I'm sure not knowledgeable on this subject-- I'm just a client/patient myself. *shrugs*.....
It would be nice though to have therapy where we just talk-- that would be easier for me-- but I don't think I'd improve much. the therapy I have has goals and homework and it's hard work.... but.... she does just listen some of the time and those times are so nice.... kind of like having a recess in elementary school. :o)
Posted by fleeting flutterby on June 23, 2009, at 10:18:09
In reply to Re: More than just one therapy......., posted by SLS on June 23, 2009, at 4:57:40
>> However, it is CBT that I take with me and use all day long. I had already learned CBT on my own and later in a group environment. If you haven't learned it by the time you reach a psychotherapist, I think it is preferable to have a therapist who can teach it, as it often jump-starts the therapeutic process.<<---flutterby: YES! I think this is very good advice. I had no clue about CBT and felt so lost with a psychodynamic therapist-- was so frustrated, I ended up in the hospital. Then I started learning CBT and it's changing my life!
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> I saw a group CBT setting work wonders for a woman with BPD who had no other psychotherapeutic modality as a treatment. Zyprexa and Trileptal were very helpful pharmacological tools for her, but only allowed her to do the psychological work necessary to grow out of her BPD issues.
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> - Scott<<---flutterby: That is awesome! thanks for this-- gives me hope. The therapist I see asked if I would like to go to "group" therapy-- but I was too nervous and declined-- the therapist said, "well, maybe some other time"... (she's nice and doens't push me when she can tell the anxiety is rising too high. groups scare the heck out of me! the way I see it, this group here at psychobabble is a babystep for me.) :o)
groups shoot my anxiety through the roof!
Posted by Amelia_in_StPaul on June 23, 2009, at 12:35:00
In reply to More than just one therapy......., posted by fleeting flutterby on June 22, 2009, at 13:43:02
Mandy, what a great post. I wish I felt up to contributing, but I'm sort of exhausted just now by these issues. However, I do want to say that I eventually want to come back and talk about DBT, what it does, and how it's helped me. In concert with CBT, it has done for me what nothing else has--not medication, not talk therapy, etc.
Of course, in my individual sessions with my DBT therapist (for those who don't know, when you are in DBT, you have DBT group meetings and then individual therapist with a DBT specialist), we do talk about stuff from my childhood, etc., but only to illuminate what my triggers are and to help me work with those triggers and try to calm my reactions to them. I shouldn't say "only"--my therapist validates my experiences, even if he does provide gentle challenges to my way of thinking or reacting, and that is essential to this process too. Also, the thing about DBT is that you learn a lot of skills--and you learn that you have been using skills all along, but doing so, now, intentionally, and having a menu of skills you can choose from, makes skills-use all the more effective. It's about building mastery.
I have a wonderful individual therapist and a wonderful group. I don't know how I got along all this time without it. But I'd like to eventually post some studies on DBT, b/c there have been so many that show how well it works.
I personally think DBT works best for learning how to 1) tolerate distress (a huge thing--distress being, of course, anxiety, rage, anger, depression, etc.) 2) identify and assert one's boundaries 3) make wise-minded (emotion and rationality in balance) decisions 4) stand up for oneself, but also give to others (that's just as essential) 5) stop dissociation and probably other things I can't think of just now.
But I do think CBT is essentially for figuring out what gets a person into a state of distress in the first place. Sometimes it's triggers, those knee-jerk, often post-traumatic, responses to things, and sometimes it's one
s faulty cognitions. DBT will take care of the former; CBT, the latter.We do not do anything psychodynamic, and there's isn't a single piece of psychodynamic theory in our work, but that doesn't mean, of course, that we don't talk through issues, and that my therapist doesn't serve as someone important in my life--someone with whom I can practice being in a kind of relationship, though I want to stay away from any implication of transference, since that's not in our vocabulary, and for me, not useful.
I did have a psychodynamic therapist at the age of 18, and that worked at the time for what I needed.
I am sorry to hear about the horrible things you have suffered.
And YES, it definitely sounds like you are doing CBT. You are working on cognitions, it sound like--what you think or feel when something happens--you work to identify those thoughts and feelings--and then practice skills in between. That is definitely CBT.
Also, I want to say that it isn't only in psychodynamic forms of therapy that people talk about what's happened to them in childhood and etc. But the frameworks are different--why a client is encourage to talk about it would be different in different forms of therapy. It may be that you and your T are doing some psychodymamic work.
Regardless, it sounds like you are getting a lot of help, which is great. It does sound eclectic, which as Scott has said elsewhere (I think), is what many people do.
> I hope those that have posted or are interested in posting about CBT, DBT and other therapies will feel they are welcome to do so here.
>
> I think I, and probably many others that lurk and some that post, would benefit widely from other experiences and insights on various types of therapies in addition to psychodynamic. I think, for me, 20% psychodynamic and the rest(80%) various types of behavioral/cognitive changes-- would be an ideal mix, in my case that is. I was stunted in every way by early childhood trauma, abuse and neglect so I really need to improve in all areas. (thinking, behavior, relationship etc...) and I also need some things that psychodynamic therapy can provide.
>
> The therapist I'm seeing now seems to do a bit of everything, at least i think so. We work on my knee jerk reactions, and where they come from, how to work through them and I've been able to understand a few so well that I'm able to stop the "reaction" before it starts. Doesnt that seem like we are doing several kinds of therapies?? We look at way past- then current- and how to cope in productive ways with the present and future. I've not been encouraged to be dependant-- I have zero outside contact with T. unless there is a real dire emergency-- like when my son was in the hospital. I am expected to use what I've learned so far-- in 16 months-- to cope inbetween sessions. This I figure is CBT and not psychodynamic. Seems psychodynamic encourages dependance(is that right?) and that for me would have a never ending cycle! But-- I do need to look back at my childhood in order to understand where dysfunctions are rooted and why some are such very strong roots. (I dissociate and so things can get foggy) without that background understanding, I don't think CBT would work for me.
>
> What I'm trying to say-- probably quite scattered-- is that I think that a mix of therapies is a good way to go for many. And I hope those that have varying experiences and knowledge will continue to post here so I and many others can see that there is more than one way to "fold a napkin". ;o) (ummmm yea, I tend to word things differently-- welcome to my schizo-world) :o)
>
> wishing all a good day
>
> flutterby-mandy
>
>
Posted by Amelia_in_StPaul on June 23, 2009, at 12:48:03
In reply to Re: More than just one therapy....... » Dinah, posted by fleeting flutterby on June 23, 2009, at 9:50:54
in truth, I don't know of therapists who aren't eclectic anymore, if eclectic means that they don't stick very strictly to one way of doing things in every session. but that doesn't mean that an eclectic therapist will work from a framework of psychodynamic. there are tons of frameworks, including gestalt, humanist, existential, cognitive, behavorial, psychodynamic, jungian (I know a jungian therapist--he is a friend--he tried to get me in therapy with him, but I said, nooooo--to me, that's a lot of squishiness in boundaries, often the case with these jungians :-) ), dialectical-behavioral. an eclectic therapist may use one or more of these, and may use all. a therapist may use humanist, gestalt, and cbt. a therapist may not find anything useful from behavioral, just as she might not find anything useful from psychodynamic.
and so, a therapist may encourage discussion of childhood issues (and you are so right, with abuse, that can be important) but that doesn't mean she is psychodynamic. yours probably is, but not necessarily...
just wanted to put that out there, flutterby-mandy. I know you will take it in the spirit is intended--as discussion, illumination, not argument, though you and others know that I myself do not care for psychodynamic schools of thought in practice (though in theory, they are interesting, especially when tempered by a feminist view).
> > But he says that his first job was with a very psychodynamic therapist, his second with a family systems therapist, and then CBT and I believe addictions. So he calls himself the ubiquitous "eclectic".<<
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> ----flutterby: I think "eclectic" is the best kind of therapy. (IMO)
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> > He never uses the CBT standard terminology with me... anymore. He says it's more important that the message be heard than it is to say the message in a certain way.<<
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> ---flutterby: Yea, that makes sense.
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> >> Which is his nice way of saying I was way too hardheaded for straight CBT.<<
>
> --flutterby: hmmmm... you think so? I think it could also mean that some are quite fragile(like me) and can benefit from things worded in gentler ways.(that's how I interpret psychodynamic therapy-- touchy feely stuff, "my mother beat me, my father was absent--I'm so sad" and then the therapist says-- "well lets talk about that". whereas-- in strict CBT the focus would be on doing things today that would turn the sadness to happiness - which can be good-- to learn to do things that change ones focus to positive, but can also invalidate the "child mind" that is still injured. that's why I am thinking "eclectic" therapy may work best for certain people-- maybe even most people?)
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> >>The emphasis is on current functioning, but inevitably history played a role in molding my current responses, and deserves a role in fine tuning them.<<
>
> ----flutterby: Yea, I agree. in my case the "fine tuning" seems to be a "major overhaul" *sigh*......... (never thought I'd be told by educated people, that my thinking is all off..... i thought I was always right on the mark in the way I think/behave)
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Posted by fleeting flutterby on June 23, 2009, at 15:34:37
In reply to Re: More than just one therapy....... » fleeting flutterby, posted by Amelia_in_StPaul on June 23, 2009, at 12:35:00
> Mandy, what a great post.<<
---flutterby: Hey! thanks. :o)
>> I wish I felt up to contributing, but I'm sort of exhausted just now by these issues. However, I do want to say that I eventually want to come back and talk about DBT, what it does, and how it's helped me. In concert with CBT, it has done for me what nothing else has--not medication, not talk therapy, etc.<<
---flutterby: sorry you're exhausted at this time. I understand. I look forward to talking about DBT-- of which I know practically nothing about. and I find hearing of other modes interesting and enlightening.
>
> Of course, in my individual sessions with my DBT therapist (for those who don't know, when you are in DBT, you have DBT group meetings and then individual therapist with a DBT specialist), we do talk about stuff from my childhood, etc., but only to illuminate what my triggers are and to help me work with those triggers and try to calm my reactions to them. I shouldn't say "only"--my therapist validates my experiences, even if he does provide gentle challenges to my way of thinking or reacting, and that is essential to this process too. Also, the thing about DBT is that you learn a lot of skills--and you learn that you have been using skills all along, but doing so, now, intentionally, and having a menu of skills you can choose from, makes skills-use all the more effective. It's about building mastery.<<---flutterby: that sounds like something that maybe could be of help for me.... cept.... the "group" thing.... yikes! I don't know if I could do that part.
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> I have a wonderful individual therapist and a wonderful group. I don't know how I got along all this time without it. But I'd like to eventually post some studies on DBT, b/c there have been so many that show how well it works.<<--flutterby: Oh that is wonderful for you. Since I've been in therapy my angst has decreased a bit when around most people. I can feel it!-- it's great to not be so hyper-alert.-- was exhausting but I didn't realize it -- if that makes sense.
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> I personally think DBT works best for learning how to 1) tolerate distress (a huge thing--distress being, of course, anxiety, rage, anger, depression, etc.) 2) identify and assert one's boundaries 3) make wise-minded (emotion and rationality in balance) decisions 4) stand up for oneself, but also give to others (that's just as essential) 5) stop dissociation and probably other things I can't think of just now.
>--flutterby: Wow-- I could use help with all those things. I've figured out that I dissociate when anxious instead of dealing head on with things. I never had boundaries as a child so they are extremely hard for me to understand.... instead I isolate to lessen my confusion/anxiety. My decision making is -defend(which I rarely do) or run! I don't ever stand up for myself, I didn't matter as a child and learned that others are what matters. (had an extremely narcissistic mother with borderline symptoms also) And still behave this way most times currently.
> But I do think CBT is essentially for figuring out what gets a person into a state of distress in the first place. Sometimes it's triggers, those knee-jerk, often post-traumatic, responses to things, and sometimes it's one
> s faulty cognitions. DBT will take care of the former; CBT, the latter. <<--flutterby: Oh, I see. they must work well together then.
>
> We do not do anything psychodynamic, and there's isn't a single piece of psychodynamic theory in our work, but that doesn't mean, of course, that we don't talk through issues, and that my therapist doesn't serve as someone important in my life--someone with whom I can practice being in a kind of relationship, though I want to stay away from any implication of transference, since that's not in our vocabulary, and for me, not useful.<<----flutterby: Oh boy, this is where you lost me. how can it be that it's not psychodynamic if you talk through childhood triggers and practice being in a relationship? that "relationship" stuff is what gets me running from psychodynamic therapy! too scary to allow someone to hold your heart in their hands. I don't want to care about if my therapist thinks I'm the most special one, or if she thinks about me outside of sessions-- that is gving them too much power(IMO)
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> I am sorry to hear about the horrible things you have suffered.<<--flutterby: thank you. I've not talked about most things.... mother used to say-- "keep your trash in your own yard"-- worry about my "trash" making someone else's "yard" dirty.
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> And YES, it definitely sounds like you are doing CBT. You are working on cognitions, it sound like--what you think or feel when something happens--you work to identify those thoughts and feelings--and then practice skills in between. That is definitely CBT.<<--flutterby: thanks, I thought that's what it was.
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> Also, I want to say that it isn't only in psychodynamic forms of therapy that people talk about what's happened to them in childhood and etc. But the frameworks are different<<---flutterby: oh, so it seems it would be hard to tell it all apart then. Therapies are not as clear cut as I had thought-- well, for me anyway.
>>--why a client is encourage to talk about it would be different in different forms of therapy. It may be that you and your T are doing some psychodymamic work.
>
> Regardless, it sounds like you are getting a lot of help, which is great. It does sound eclectic, which as Scott has said elsewhere (I think), is what many people do.
>---flutterby: I thought we were doing a mix of things... it seems to be a pretty good mix for me. like--I've never stayed at a job more than a year, or two at the most, but now since I've been in therapy-- I just had my 3 year anniversary at my job!(I think people at jobs are against me, so I quit-- but now the T. and I talk through situations and they don't seem as threatening as they would if I didn't have that other person's insight) I know it's therapy that has helped me accomplish this. and...I'm recently learning to stand up for myself in my marriage, now husband is working on getting out of his alcoholism.
best to all here,
flutterby-mandy
Posted by fleeting flutterby on June 23, 2009, at 15:59:53
In reply to Re: More than just one therapy....... » fleeting flutterby, posted by Amelia_in_StPaul on June 23, 2009, at 12:48:03
> in truth, I don't know of therapists who aren't eclectic anymore, if eclectic means that they don't stick very strictly to one way of doing things in every session. but that doesn't mean that an eclectic therapist will work from a framework of psychodynamic. there are tons of frameworks, including gestalt, humanist, existential, cognitive, behavorial, psychodynamic, jungian (I know a jungian therapist--he is a friend--he tried to get me in therapy with him, but I said, nooooo--to me, that's a lot of squishiness in boundaries, often the case with these jungians :-) ), dialectical-behavioral. an eclectic therapist may use one or more of these, and may use all. a therapist may use humanist, gestalt, and cbt. a therapist may not find anything useful from behavioral, just as she might not find anything useful from psychodynamic.<<
---flutterby: oy vey..... *sigh*.... there is so much out there!
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> and so, a therapist may encourage discussion of childhood issues (and you are so right, with abuse, that can be important) but that doesn't mean she is psychodynamic. yours probably is, but not necessarily...
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> just wanted to put that out there, flutterby-mandy. I know you will take it in the spirit is intended--as discussion, illumination, not argument, though you and others know that I myself do not care for psychodynamic schools of thought in practice (though in theory, they are interesting, especially when tempered by a feminist view).<<---flutterby: Certainly. I'm not offended at all. I appreciate your replies. People have posted that CBT is crap and I'm not offended, though I wish others would put the "IMO" in such a statement-- as CBT has given me a much better quality of life-- with that said, I know that one size doesn't fit all and everyone can have their own opinion.
Is it the transference that you don't care for in psychodynamic therapy? I don't care for that either. I think it sometimes can cause one to remain "stuck" and not progress, as the focus turns to the transference instead of working on the issues one came in to get help for originally.(It probably doesn't happen in all cases though, like I said-- one size doesn't fit all-- some things work for some and other things work for others)
Posted by Dinah on June 23, 2009, at 17:15:39
In reply to Re: More than just one therapy....... » Dinah, posted by fleeting flutterby on June 23, 2009, at 9:50:54
Well, for me I would definitely say "hardheaded".
He gave me real homework to do this session (a handout) and I daresay he's already sorry he did. I'm torn between a desire to please him, and a strong revulsion at the ridiculousness of what he's asking me to do.
My desire at the moment is to fill it out in such a way that leaves him in no doubt of how angry I am at such puerile assignments. But my fondness for him will likely lead me to do it properly, if in ill grace.
Posted by GeneLady on July 15, 2009, at 14:34:31
In reply to Re: More than just one therapy....... » fleeting flutterby, posted by Dinah on June 23, 2009, at 17:15:39
My hubby is given homework by his neuropsychologist and in many ways it's a good thing. Some things seem too advanced for him (doesn't have the tools to deal with it or doesn't see how it relates to him) and I have bought other books on my own that were recommended as forerunners. It is something he needs to do. However, when the psych sort've loosely suggested that we both could read the last book recommended I made it clear that I would only glance at it out of curiosity. I'm not the patient. It seemed rather insulting especially in the context of discussion that had been going on.
For me, sometimes books, forms, etc. really are meaningless. That meaninglessness just adds to the frustration.
> Well, for me I would definitely say "hardheaded".
>
> He gave me real homework to do this session (a handout) and I daresay he's already sorry he did. I'm torn between a desire to please him, and a strong revulsion at the ridiculousness of what he's asking me to do.
>
> My desire at the moment is to fill it out in such a way that leaves him in no doubt of how angry I am at such puerile assignments. But my fondness for him will likely lead me to do it properly, if in ill grace.
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