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Gossip

Posted by sigismund on June 30, 2012, at 21:41:21

I suppose it's gossip, but of the best sort.
I read it years ago.
Some of you might be interested if you are interested in psychoanalysis.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v23/n04/wynne-godley/saving-masud-khan

 

Re: Gossip

Posted by twinleaf on July 1, 2012, at 15:56:57

In reply to Gossip, posted by sigismund on June 30, 2012, at 21:41:21

I was fascinated to read this, as well as being appalled and astounded- no matter what your personal feelings about what is, and isn't. helpful in various types of psychotherapy, this is an extraordinary example of countertransference in a sick psychoanalyst, run completely wild. It's hard to imagine a situation like this going unchecked for years, but I know it happens, having had a milder version of something similar happen to me (if interested, look up "Pfinstegg", my old posting name, for around 2007. Thankfully, i found a sound and very helpful analyst just after the terrible experience with the first one, and am doing a whole lot better in every way - even getting ready to terminate.

Thanks or posting such fascinating "gossip"!

 

Re: Gossip

Posted by sigismund on July 1, 2012, at 19:38:39

In reply to Re: Gossip, posted by twinleaf on July 1, 2012, at 15:56:57

I was actually looking for opinion on the current problems of the EMU and read of the fulfilled predictions of 'a radical economist' called Wynne Godley. The name was familiar but I could not recall from where. Then I clicked on the LRB link. It astonished me then and astonished me again. Just about every sentence of it.

I don't know what to say about Masud Khan; all words fall short. 'The prince will see you'. I recall in one of his books he mentioning to a patient that he was 'returning to his estates'. What a madhouse.

 

Re: Gossip

Posted by sigismund on July 1, 2012, at 19:44:56

In reply to Gossip, posted by sigismund on June 30, 2012, at 21:41:21

The replies down the bottom are very good too.

 

Re: Gossip

Posted by sigismund on July 1, 2012, at 19:47:43

In reply to Re: Gossip, posted by twinleaf on July 1, 2012, at 15:56:57

All of the replies are worth reading. This one was quite bracing.

In her response to Wynne Godleys story (Letters, 22 March), Kirsty Hall appears to confuse true with real. There can be no doubt that Godleys states of mind at the time of his analysis with Masud Khan were real, but it is clear that they did not constitute the truth of Wynne Godley (other than in the merely tautologous sense that it is true that at the time these were real states of mind). Hall seems to think that considerations of truth, in the sense of being able to distinguish between what is true and what is false, are simply irrelevant. But however deeply and perhaps irresolvably vexed it may be, without some discriminating notion of truth the whole enterprise of psychoanalysis collapses into being a remunerated hand-holding exercise by what Ernest Gellner memorably described as merchants of hope. In this scenario the truth of what you are or what you think you are doesnt matter as long as you come out of the analytic encounter feeling good about yourself. The logic of this blurring of true/false is potentially fatal; among other things it enables the step whereby the merchant of hope becomes, as in the case of Khan, a merchant of abuse.

Christopher Prendergast
Cambridge

 

Re: Gossip

Posted by twinleaf on July 2, 2012, at 8:08:09

In reply to Re: Gossip, posted by twinleaf on July 1, 2012, at 15:56:57

You're right. I went back and read the comments (which I hadn't noticed earlier) and they were also very informed and interesting.
Thanks again!

 

Re: Gossip

Posted by Wittgensteinz on September 22, 2012, at 12:17:34

In reply to Gossip, posted by sigismund on June 30, 2012, at 21:41:21

This is interesting. I've read Winnicott, including a rather good biography that my analyst lent me one time. There was a chapter on Masud Khan, whom Winnicott (himself childless) 'adopted' rather like a son. Masud Khan was a controversial figure in the British Psychoanalytic Society - disturbed and certainly in no fit state to be an analyst. It's sad to read of one of his victims.

Witti


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